BOURNEMOUTH - 2
Prestwick was a case in point. But recently due slack economy and leakage to EDI, yield went too low and demand also weakened so we had no choice.
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What about the Paris route , Milan and Turin as well .......they were never given any time to get load factors and yield correct before being pulled
The Turin was a popular ski route and was a good service on a Saturday
This winter we will see Gerona , Dublin operating as a based route from the airport but at only 4 times a week when in particular the Gerona route has performed really well with constantly high load factors
The Turin was a popular ski route and was a good service on a Saturday
This winter we will see Gerona , Dublin operating as a based route from the airport but at only 4 times a week when in particular the Gerona route has performed really well with constantly high load factors
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Buzz ???!!!
Did Buzz ever operate out of Bournemouth ?
I didn't think they ever did !
So ryanair 1, if your prices are truly the cheapest, why not copy some of Flybe's sucessful routes and bring some more traffic through BOH ?
Why did the other base aircraft never show up ?
I didn't think they ever did !
So ryanair 1, if your prices are truly the cheapest, why not copy some of Flybe's sucessful routes and bring some more traffic through BOH ?
Why did the other base aircraft never show up ?
Did Buzz ever operate out of Bournemouth ?
I didn't think they ever did !
I didn't think they ever did !
No, Buzz didn't operate out of BOH. But that is not what ryanair1 is saying. When RYR bought Buzz this included all the Buzz bookings out of BOH for the services which Buzz were about to start. Therefore they knew what the likely demand for Buzz's proposed routes were. At least that is what ryanair1 is saying.
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For those people who think it is only Ryanair exploring the weird and wonderful routes from BOH, what about the others!!!!
easyJet - Grenoble, Krakow (why not Nice, Rome, Berlin!)
Wizzair - Gdansk, Katowice, Krakow (why not Warsaw!)
Air Berlin - Paderborn (why not Berlin, Frankfurt, Hamburg or Munich!)
Even Jet2 doing Belfast was a bit strange when you consider the multitude of other routes that would have offered them more in terms of volume and profit before launching such a light weight route.
I don't get it !!!! BOH isn't going to get overflow demand from London to these strange places - only on the thicker routes will overflow benefit BOH. News reports today saying that the economy will take 5 years to recover to normal levels so guess we wont be seeing much in the way of growth at BOH or indeed other UK airports = so appreciate these weird routes while you can!!!!!
easyJet - Grenoble, Krakow (why not Nice, Rome, Berlin!)
Wizzair - Gdansk, Katowice, Krakow (why not Warsaw!)
Air Berlin - Paderborn (why not Berlin, Frankfurt, Hamburg or Munich!)
Even Jet2 doing Belfast was a bit strange when you consider the multitude of other routes that would have offered them more in terms of volume and profit before launching such a light weight route.
I don't get it !!!! BOH isn't going to get overflow demand from London to these strange places - only on the thicker routes will overflow benefit BOH. News reports today saying that the economy will take 5 years to recover to normal levels so guess we wont be seeing much in the way of growth at BOH or indeed other UK airports = so appreciate these weird routes while you can!!!!!
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Flybe have kicked Ryanair's butt at BOH. How come Flybe can continue 6 daily flights to GLA from SOU and yet Ryanair can't even maintain their single daily PIK! That is saying something.
BOH needs EasyJet. Look at what EasyJet have done on Geneva. They are operating their 5th year of flights from BOH to GVA - 8 flights per week. Against Flybe's 3 weekly flights from SOU, with a shorter travel period and smaller aircraft capacity.
Based EasyJet operation at BOH would be so much more appropriate to the market BOH serves. I agree with Nakata77 - Nice, Rome, Berlin and what about Madrid, Madeira, Athens, Amsterdam, Paris, Belfast etc etc
BOH needs EasyJet. Look at what EasyJet have done on Geneva. They are operating their 5th year of flights from BOH to GVA - 8 flights per week. Against Flybe's 3 weekly flights from SOU, with a shorter travel period and smaller aircraft capacity.
Based EasyJet operation at BOH would be so much more appropriate to the market BOH serves. I agree with Nakata77 - Nice, Rome, Berlin and what about Madrid, Madeira, Athens, Amsterdam, Paris, Belfast etc etc
Air Berlin - Paderborn (why not Berlin, Frankfurt, Hamburg or Munich!)
Against Flybe's 3 weekly flights from SOU, with a shorter travel period
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Flybe have kicked Ryanair's butt at BOH. How come Flybe can continue 6 daily flights to GLA from SOU and yet Ryanair can't even maintain their single daily PIK! That is saying something.
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BOH needs EasyJet. Look at what EasyJet have done on Geneva. They are operating their 5th year of flights from BOH to GVA - 8 flights per week. Against Flybe's 3 weekly flights from SOU, with a shorter travel period and smaller aircraft capacity.
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Interesting debate on routes and frequencies.
To answer MUFC Fan - yes EZY is the largest operator by some margin at GVA, although according to EZY management growth in the next year will be focussed at LGW, MAD and PAR in particular.
As regards aircraft size and suitability at BOH contrasted with SOU.
BOH has only 11000 air transport movements/year and manges 1 million pax, giving average flight occupancy of over 90 pax, v respectable and similar to Birmingham at 94 & Bristol which has a 102 average.. Heathrow with just about the highest average pax figure in the world is 140.
SOU manages 1.8million pax with 42000 air transport movements, only 43 pax average per flight. Four times the number of flights but half the pax per flight of BOH. Exeter, another Flybe base manages 61.
Ryanair, TOM and EZY are good for BOH, each has their niche. But their aircraft are just too large for much of the higher frequency regional airport ops.
BOH badly needs smaller aircraft and higher frequencies on routes like Paris, Glasgow and Manchester for example. There are lots of frequent business travellers in the BOH catchment, but for short/medium haul, business travellers need frequency. Ticket price is often secondary. A £10 flight to Pik is no good if due frequency it means a lost office day, or an unecessary overnight which adds £250 -£300 to the cost.
I recently looked at a RYR option for a GLA meeting, but it just didnt work logistically, and hence financially even though the RYR ticket price was a quarter of Flybe even though I live a stones throw from BOH.
I'm also surprised that Eastern do not step in on the BOH/MAN route - which worked well for many years from BOH under the DanAir banner (48 seat HS748 twice daily) - rather than fight Flybe head to head as is so often their ineffective strategy.
Neither Euroscot, nor Ryanair ever got the schedule right for the average business traveller BOH to Glasgow or vice versa - as much due aircraft size as anything.
Its just better to use SOU and get the frequency - even though Flybe reliability is often dreadful.
The management team at BOH understand this, but I suspect it'll be a while before any commuter carriers steps up.....
I wonder if Aer Arran have been approached!?
FF
To answer MUFC Fan - yes EZY is the largest operator by some margin at GVA, although according to EZY management growth in the next year will be focussed at LGW, MAD and PAR in particular.
As regards aircraft size and suitability at BOH contrasted with SOU.
BOH has only 11000 air transport movements/year and manges 1 million pax, giving average flight occupancy of over 90 pax, v respectable and similar to Birmingham at 94 & Bristol which has a 102 average.. Heathrow with just about the highest average pax figure in the world is 140.
SOU manages 1.8million pax with 42000 air transport movements, only 43 pax average per flight. Four times the number of flights but half the pax per flight of BOH. Exeter, another Flybe base manages 61.
Ryanair, TOM and EZY are good for BOH, each has their niche. But their aircraft are just too large for much of the higher frequency regional airport ops.
BOH badly needs smaller aircraft and higher frequencies on routes like Paris, Glasgow and Manchester for example. There are lots of frequent business travellers in the BOH catchment, but for short/medium haul, business travellers need frequency. Ticket price is often secondary. A £10 flight to Pik is no good if due frequency it means a lost office day, or an unecessary overnight which adds £250 -£300 to the cost.
I recently looked at a RYR option for a GLA meeting, but it just didnt work logistically, and hence financially even though the RYR ticket price was a quarter of Flybe even though I live a stones throw from BOH.
I'm also surprised that Eastern do not step in on the BOH/MAN route - which worked well for many years from BOH under the DanAir banner (48 seat HS748 twice daily) - rather than fight Flybe head to head as is so often their ineffective strategy.
Neither Euroscot, nor Ryanair ever got the schedule right for the average business traveller BOH to Glasgow or vice versa - as much due aircraft size as anything.
Its just better to use SOU and get the frequency - even though Flybe reliability is often dreadful.
The management team at BOH understand this, but I suspect it'll be a while before any commuter carriers steps up.....
I wonder if Aer Arran have been approached!?
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Great post Flitefone.
I think Aer Arann are in consoldation mode at the moment. They removed a number of routes, two quite popular from Manchester in fact and the only two new routes I can think of in recent memory are Dublin-Blackpool and Isle of Man-London City.
They are doing much more charter work at the moment while the market is low which I think is very sensible.
Maybe in the future though!
I think Aer Arann are in consoldation mode at the moment. They removed a number of routes, two quite popular from Manchester in fact and the only two new routes I can think of in recent memory are Dublin-Blackpool and Isle of Man-London City.
They are doing much more charter work at the moment while the market is low which I think is very sensible.
Maybe in the future though!
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PIK not GLA is a major part of this plus
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Southern Airways SF340
I seem to recall a 'paper airline' under the name of Southern Airways planning to start up at Bournemouth back in 1990/1/2 i can't remember... They wanted to operate to Brussels, Glasgow, Manchester but nothing ever came of them.
Can anyone else recall more detail? 19 years later we are still needing that kind of operation at Bournemouth by the sound of the posts on here!
Can anyone else recall more detail? 19 years later we are still needing that kind of operation at Bournemouth by the sound of the posts on here!
I seem to recall a 'paper airline' under the name of Southern Airways planning to start up at Bournemouth back in 1990/1/2 i can't remember... They wanted to operate to Brussels, Glasgow, Manchester but nothing ever came of them.
However one problem with the small aircraft business model is there are very few passengers to split the landing/handling fees between. 19 pax in a J31 with the level of fees of Manchester or Amsterdam may also have helped kill EuroDirect.
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At MAN and AMS it is expensive but remember, as soon as you go above 19 passengers it adds the very minimum of £10 (before the ADP rises!) per passenger.
19 seaters are fantastic from smaller airports (Manx2) but larger fields such as MAN and AMS needs a 34 seater at the very minimum.
19 seaters are fantastic from smaller airports (Manx2) but larger fields such as MAN and AMS needs a 34 seater at the very minimum.
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The list of airlines that have come and gone at BOH is pretty surprising.
Euro Direct Airlines was one of the most interesting and at one point (Oct 1994) operated 4 daily ATP flights from BOH to Amsterdam, 3/4 daily ATP/J31's to Manchester/Exeter, 2 daily ATP's to Paris and 2 daily J31's to Brussels. Plus daily J31 BOH to Humberside and on to Hamburg, and daily BOH to Dublin ATP.
BOH may be better served by an airline with the ERJ-175 (85 seater) or ERJ-195 (118 seater) these aircraft have great costs per seat compared to the B737 and A320. The ability to provide low fares at BOH is essential in order to compete effectively with Southampton. This, together with slightly smaller aircraft capacity than B738's (for example) could serve more frequently at more appropriate timings on routes such as GLA, AMS, CDG etc.
Euro Direct Airlines was one of the most interesting and at one point (Oct 1994) operated 4 daily ATP flights from BOH to Amsterdam, 3/4 daily ATP/J31's to Manchester/Exeter, 2 daily ATP's to Paris and 2 daily J31's to Brussels. Plus daily J31 BOH to Humberside and on to Hamburg, and daily BOH to Dublin ATP.
BOH may be better served by an airline with the ERJ-175 (85 seater) or ERJ-195 (118 seater) these aircraft have great costs per seat compared to the B737 and A320. The ability to provide low fares at BOH is essential in order to compete effectively with Southampton. This, together with slightly smaller aircraft capacity than B738's (for example) could serve more frequently at more appropriate timings on routes such as GLA, AMS, CDG etc.
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Southern Airways
Was indeed a paper airline planned to operate with Saab 340s to quite a large range of destinations based on their market research. Their founder was a local guy who is still around.
Southern was never able to get launch funding and went by the wayside as a result.
EuroDirect was another interesting case, although it was hard to see how some of the routes would ever work. But if rumours are to be believed it was never about making money.
I used Eurodirect to PAR, AMS and BRU several times, flew sometimes on full aircraft but sometimes empty, but met a good many local business travellers as a result.
Point remains valid though a decent schedule with 50-90 seaters should hit the spot. Aer Arran/Eastern please apply here!
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Southern was never able to get launch funding and went by the wayside as a result.
EuroDirect was another interesting case, although it was hard to see how some of the routes would ever work. But if rumours are to be believed it was never about making money.
I used Eurodirect to PAR, AMS and BRU several times, flew sometimes on full aircraft but sometimes empty, but met a good many local business travellers as a result.
Point remains valid though a decent schedule with 50-90 seaters should hit the spot. Aer Arran/Eastern please apply here!
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Diversions
According to Bournemouth echo 9 diversions expected from LGW to BOH. Nice aerial pic of 3 BA jets on the echo site parked on ramp (either on link below or home-page).
Gatwick flights diverted to Bournemouth Airport (From Bournemouth Echo)
Gatwick flights diverted to Bournemouth Airport (From Bournemouth Echo)
