BOURNEMOUTH - 2

[FLYboh]

It's been reported on the TUI thread that the BOH TOM base will be closing. Can anyone confirm and will this impact on the charter flights?

[Honiley]

The board of TUI Travel Plc have announced yesterday that all the B737-300 and B737-500's will be phased out and they will not be continuing with loss making entities: Thomsonfly scheduled operation made a £27m loss so I think it's fair to assume that the scheduled operation at Bournemouth, Coventry and Doncaster will be closed down.

Difficult times and peoples livelihoods at risk so important not to throw idle speculation around...

Just my own opinion, but I would expect CVT to close due to it's proximity to BHX but the possibilty to sell charter flights from BOH and DCS will still exist. FCH do have a % of seats out of DCS this S08 on TOM flights but whether enough for a dedicated based aircraft in S09, who knows time will tell - a "W" pattern possibly...???

[FLYboh]

Knife -edge 'All but the most recent press releases have disappeared from the BOH web site - how convenient!'

It's still there in the news archive section. You're right though it clearly states that U2 expects to carry 42,000 pax in first 12 months. Loads have been around 60% this winter so it's no surprise really. Too close to Katowice I think.

[airhumberside]

Just my own opinion, but I would expect CVT to close due to it's proximity to BHX but the possibilty to sell charter flights from BOH and DCS will still exist. FCH do have a % of seats out of DCS this S08 on TOM flights but whether enough for a dedicated based aircraft in S09, who knows time will tell - a "W" pattern possibly...???

DSA is almost certainly safe. Ever since its opened its always had at least one aircraft doing pretty much just charter work. Its going down from 4 to 3 based aircraft this summer but as a base it should be safe

At BOH, is there enough charter work to keep 1 aircraft busy?

[GoEDI]

Also, it seems that one of the routes in september with Ryanair's second aircraft is quite likely to be a twice daily service to Edinburgh. Plenty of rumours about it on other threads & hopefully Ryanair stick to this route unlike flyglobespan in 2006

If and when it happens the EDI service will be operated by EDI based aircraft as part of a new base there.

[Knife-Edge]

New Terminal Construction

I have just picked up on news from earlier in the week that the additional air corrridors across the New Forest and to the North have been given the all clear by the CAA - see Echo link.

Does this close off the objections raised by the New Forest national park or was that something different? Is the new terminal construction now clear to proceed?

[Groundloop]

Went to the Interhol exhibition at the BIC yesterday. The Daily Echo was runnming a competion to win a £3000 holiday to Canada.

Bournemouth Airport was running a competition on their stand - to win a set of luggage! Is that the best they could do to promote themselves. The stand wasn't very good either. Big notice about saving on car parking by paying in advance - didn't mention they forced the closure of the museum to provide the parking, though

[random_element]

Hi,
I'm sorry if this is the wrong place to post this but I have a quick question about the aircraft leaving Hurn, Why do the aircraft head in a NE direction even if there are heading for DUB and still head NE even if they use R/W 27? I've always wondered

Cheers
Andy

[Jetscream 32]

its called a SID - standard instrument departure - basically we all do the same thing, its a published route to leave the airport and join airways - keeps everyone doing the same thing....... very good way of keeping everything safe....

[MARKEYD]

For those that are interested this is the flying schedule for Thomsonfly this summer with there one based aircraft

MON
BOH PMI BOH DLM BOH

TUE
BOH PMI BOH AGP BOH

WED
BOH PHO BOH AGP BOH

THU
BOH PMI BOH HER BOH
CVT FAO BOH FAO CVT

FRI
BOH PMI SOU PMI BOH AGP BOH

SAT
BOH IBZ BOH FAO BOH PMI BOH
CVT AGP BOH AGP CVT

SUN
BOH AGP BOH FAO BOH

Does anyone actually know if the terminal works on the new arrival s and departure building has actually stopped completely at the moment while they argue it out with the New Forest commission , or is any work taking place at all , cant imagine another summer with the arrivals hall like it is at the moment

[tribekey]

Knife -edge ;

the new forest 'air corridors' are simply a high level extension to current airspace to allow an easier flow of traffic towards Bournemouth and Southampton at certain times. The New Forest park authority were objecting to flights lower down, overflying the forest as they come in and depart Bournemouth. Apparently that issue has been overcome.

Don't think the delays in building were ever anything to do with new forest objections anyway, more to do with cash flow and changing building priorities/contracts etc.


random-element ;

There are no specified SID's at Bournemouth, aircraft turn to the north east (after following a noise abatement route) to route via a VOR at Southampton because this keeps them inside the controlled airspace airways system. Routeing direct to the north west from Bournemouth to Dublin would take them outside controlled airspace,where unknown aircraft may affect their flight. Basically it's safer the way they go now.The runway is 26 by the way.


There doesn't appear to be much happening at the moment in the way of construction.

[random_element]

Thanks Tribekey for the explanation.

About the noise I don't see what the problem is over the New Forest. It's sparsely populated and the 737s and Airbuses that mainly operate out of the airport make little noise, my house is directly under the flightpath when aircraft are doing circuits and pretty close to the flightpath when aircraft are taking off on 26 to head toward the Southampton VOR. With double glazing It's a job to hear any significant noise.

[Nakata77]

I believe the reason is just that! Because it's a national park, quiet, sparsely populated and protected, they want to ensure visitors have an equally peaceful and pleasant experience without the roaring of aircraft over-head.

But this issue seems resolved now.

MAN airport group put up $32m for the airports re-development, why would cash flow be a problem now to cause construction work to cease?! I've never heard anything so crazy. (sorry im not shooting the messenger) The airport badly needs this new redevelopment, its so unbelievably frustrating that its paused!

[Flitefone]

Aircraft routings are relatively easy to fix. The outbounds from 26 bound north, east or southeast currently turn right after noise abatement (intended to follow the river and avoid the built up area of Bournemouth) then track to to the Southampton VOR whether bound for Scotland, Gerona, Katowicz or Geneva.. It is not so hard to change the outbound turn to south and have the aircraft route over the sea until above FL100 before turning direct. The north bound flights (DUB/PIK) could still go direct to join the airway north of Bristol, but it is probably still safer to use the current routing. But that's an aircraft operator decision.

The Dublin flights when they first started always tracked directly towards the airway north of Bristol, through uncontrolled airspace, until a couple of incidents forced a change of plan about two years in. The airspace northwest of Hurn is full - during the day at least - of Military traffic, light aircraft, Gliders, all involved in random flying of some kind. Whether from Boscombe Down, Yeovilton, Lyneham, Compton Abbas and so on there's a lot out there.

At the end of the day this is about politics not pragmatics. No one but those directly involved would have noticed the airspace changes unless NATS had published their plans. The New Forest has had overflying aircraft almost since the dawn of flight in the UK.. There are at least four disused airfield in the forest - Ibsley, Holmsey, Stoney Cross and Beaulieu, not to mention London and Southampton outbounds.

Ibsley VOR even used to be the main turning point for everything flying out of London heading SouthWest, at least the move to Southampton realigned a lot of the overflying traffic..

So don't worry about it, the terminal will be built, the traffic will grow and new airlines will come to replace the leavers.. Thats aviation.

Hurn has a decent runway for civil use in the south of England. Thats like gold dust and will become increasingly valuable as slots elsewhere are harder to find.

Flitefone

[Nakata77]

Thanks flitefone, you seriously made me feel better about it. i suppose we should just be patient, and allow things to progress (those of us not in control of the situation that is)

[djp]

Please bring back Hahn someone !

[MARKEYD]

Good to have a Monarch A330 and a Thomsonfly 767 300 both on the ground this morning , bringing passengers to and from Barbados for the cruise flights , which have been doing very well as usual each year
Not bad going for an airport of Bournemouth size

[BOU_PAX]

Who owns a route flown from an airport, the airline, the airport or a.n. other? The reason for this question is the soon to be defunct BOH-LPA route. (While flying down there on business the other week several of us who used to go BOH-MAD-LPA with FR last summer were comparing notes and most if not all of us are going to be using EZY on the new LGW-LPA route from May onwards despite it's awful flight times, small world, anyway…)



With the jungle drums still doing the rounds of an EZY base at BOH how feasible would it be for EZY to pick up the twice weekly BOH-LPA route or would it disappear into the ether once TFly relinquish it? Haven’t heard for a second EZY would, just interested in the mechanics of availability of routes with airlines from an airport like Bournemouth.

[SWBKCB]

Within the EU nobody owns a route - broadly speaking any company who meets the requirements to be an airline can fly between any two airports. Once you get outside the EU governments tend to get involved and it's a lot more complicated.

[MARKEYD]

At the moment the route in question is going 3 times a week next winter with Thomsonfly using an extra rotation ! however with the question mark over the base itself at the moment this remains to be seen
Las Palmas very much like Tenerife is a winter destination from Bournemouth hence no flights in the summer at the moment and Palmair is obviously seeing a loophole here especially this summer by having 2 flights