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Get a life you sad people. Competition on the LPL should be encouraged.
I'm sorry but just like the Steam Racket, Flybe have most of the monopoly at the IOM and should revel with competition from RE. It would benefit the people not the saddo's that think Flybe are the be all and end all of everything.
Honestly, competition is healthy.
I'm sorry but just like the Steam Racket, Flybe have most of the monopoly at the IOM and should revel with competition from RE. It would benefit the people not the saddo's that think Flybe are the be all and end all of everything.
Honestly, competition is healthy.
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Sustainable competition, with the passenger benefits which that brings, would be great, but history shows that two operators simply won't work for very long.
No doubt, sooner or later, someone will give it a go and we'll have a brief price war, before on or other throws the towel in, and we go back to one operator.
That has been the pattern for the last 20 years or so, and it's difficult to see it changing - there simply aren't enough pax to go around.
No doubt, sooner or later, someone will give it a go and we'll have a brief price war, before on or other throws the towel in, and we go back to one operator.
That has been the pattern for the last 20 years or so, and it's difficult to see it changing - there simply aren't enough pax to go around.
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So fellas the flybees are on the March again; goodnight manxy2
Flybe.com - News and dont the flybee fans come back and say its good for competition. its good for getting rid of another small airline.
Flybe.com - News and dont the flybee fans come back and say its good for competition. its good for getting rid of another small airline.
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Business is business - besides it was Loganair that suggested it in the first place and they are operating it. The only link with Flybe is that you use their website to book it - end of.
Besides if Manx2 are that good they wont have anything to worry about will they!
Business is business - besides it was Loganair that suggested it in the first place and they are operating it. The only link with Flybe is that you use their website to book it - end of.
Besides if Manx2 are that good they wont have anything to worry about will they!
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no ssir. Flybe website holds all the PRICES
Thats a bit of a strong link. What price competition will there be on BLK LPL and MAN if they are all FlyBe routes
no ssir.
Thats a bit of a strong link. What price competition will there be on BLK LPL and MAN if they are all FlyBe routes no ssir.
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IOMspotter
I have to correct you on the yield management. I don't recall any case where a franchisee carrier acceeded full control of yield management to the franchisor. That was certainly not the case when Loganair was a franchisee of BA and I'm not aware that it is any different as a flyBe franchisee.
The only link here is that flights happen to be sold via the one website.
I have to correct you on the yield management. I don't recall any case where a franchisee carrier acceeded full control of yield management to the franchisor. That was certainly not the case when Loganair was a franchisee of BA and I'm not aware that it is any different as a flyBe franchisee.
The only link here is that flights happen to be sold via the one website.
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Totally agree with Globetrotter and Cloud1 what are you other guys on about?? This is not a move by flybe this is a move by Loganair!! Flybe are just fulfiling their part of the franchise agreement by selling seats on the flybe website - no problem there.
Hat's off to flybe in these turbulant times I would sugest that the one thing IOM needs is a stable reliable airline! Whats with all the bad mouthing?
Say something that is constructive and backed up with facts!!
M
Hat's off to flybe in these turbulant times I would sugest that the one thing IOM needs is a stable reliable airline! Whats with all the bad mouthing?
Say something that is constructive and backed up with facts!!
M
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Tinwald - I do not love Flybe, I am a mere humble employee. There are many things they do (in terms of company policy) which I do not agree with.
I have a reasonable amount of business sense and can recognise decisions which will allow an airline to be a success or a total flop. I am not one person in thousands who make it their aim to come out with pointless, unfactual statements which are based on years of resentment.
I agree Maverick, although sadly no airline can be 100% reliable. However this is something which some people expect. Some people live in a fantasy world and cannot identify a company which has actually turned themselves from a loss making carrier to a succesful one based on their approach to business. One does wonder what they would do if the likes of Ryanair were to start ops out of Ronaldsway - I think that would give locals a nasty shock!
And thank you globetrotter79, someone who can validate a point I was trying to make before being shot down. And, IOMSpotter, the BLK will not be a Flybe route......no ssir.
Anyway back to the original point, the new route will be Loganair ops. In addition to this Loganair are to increase their Glasgow service to twice daily....can anyone give any information on the average loads between IOM and Scotland?
I have a reasonable amount of business sense and can recognise decisions which will allow an airline to be a success or a total flop. I am not one person in thousands who make it their aim to come out with pointless, unfactual statements which are based on years of resentment.
I agree Maverick, although sadly no airline can be 100% reliable. However this is something which some people expect. Some people live in a fantasy world and cannot identify a company which has actually turned themselves from a loss making carrier to a succesful one based on their approach to business. One does wonder what they would do if the likes of Ryanair were to start ops out of Ronaldsway - I think that would give locals a nasty shock!
And thank you globetrotter79, someone who can validate a point I was trying to make before being shot down. And, IOMSpotter, the BLK will not be a Flybe route......no ssir.
Anyway back to the original point, the new route will be Loganair ops. In addition to this Loganair are to increase their Glasgow service to twice daily....can anyone give any information on the average loads between IOM and Scotland?
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What aircraft will Loganair use? If they put a Saab 340 on the route, Manx2 will have a head-start on any given day because they do not have to charge the APD, if I am not mistaken (or am I?).
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Manx2 is cheaper anyway. £29.99 v £24 (I think it is now) but a nicer ride on the Flybe. There will also be cabin crew on the route for the first time in a long time, if ever!
Will at least have an in flight service (don't know about a toilet but if so it is 1-0 to BE! )
But seriously, Manx2 are in a good position as they are cheaper and have less seats to fill.
Will at least have an in flight service (don't know about a toilet but if so it is 1-0 to BE!
)But seriously, Manx2 are in a good position as they are cheaper and have less seats to fill.
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Loganair BLK/BHD
This is an interesting move by BE/Loganair.. Some would say in revenge for the impact that Chester is potentially having on LPL patient tranfers. My personal opinion is that this is not a good move for the Isle of Man in general. This will end in another mess. Although undoubtedly one side has a lot more to lose than the other.
Yes maybe the advantage of Cabin crew and toilets will be a plus for flybe but the sector times on both routes are so short will pax actually care?? also Manx2 do have a price advantage of £10 APD over BE as their a/c are 19 seats or less. Both will be paying the £10 BLK 'development tax'. Manx2's current lead fare seems to be £19.99 with BE coming in at £29.99 inclusive of one bag where Manx2 have a charge for bags. Manx2 have established a good customer base and are being accused in some quarters of abusing their 'monopoly'. The Island needs two airlines. Given, two carriers on the same route rarely lasts more than 6 months but competition keeps prices at a reasonable level. Clearing Manx2 out of the market would not be good for anybody! For that reason I hope that Manx2 will still be on both routes and BFS for a long time to come.
BLK is a small market and two carriers are not viable.
Some are claiming this is being bankrolled by BE to get at Manx2 as obvioulsy a Q400 is too large for both routes in terms of capacity.. Good luck Manx2
Yes maybe the advantage of Cabin crew and toilets will be a plus for flybe but the sector times on both routes are so short will pax actually care?? also Manx2 do have a price advantage of £10 APD over BE as their a/c are 19 seats or less. Both will be paying the £10 BLK 'development tax'. Manx2's current lead fare seems to be £19.99 with BE coming in at £29.99 inclusive of one bag where Manx2 have a charge for bags. Manx2 have established a good customer base and are being accused in some quarters of abusing their 'monopoly'. The Island needs two airlines. Given, two carriers on the same route rarely lasts more than 6 months but competition keeps prices at a reasonable level. Clearing Manx2 out of the market would not be good for anybody! For that reason I hope that Manx2 will still be on both routes and BFS for a long time to come.
BLK is a small market and two carriers are not viable. Some are claiming this is being bankrolled by BE to get at Manx2 as obvioulsy a Q400 is too large for both routes in terms of capacity.. Good luck Manx2
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We only seem to be looking at the IOM-BLK route but what about the BHD sector?! BE have a better schedule on both sectors!
The S340 at BLK will operate:
BLK-IOM-BHD
BLK-IOM-GLA
BLK-IOM-BHD
The press release says that people can book BLK-IOM-GLA but not so according to the BE website.
The S340 at BLK will operate:
BLK-IOM-BHD
BLK-IOM-GLA
BLK-IOM-BHD
The press release says that people can book BLK-IOM-GLA but not so according to the BE website.
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FS01s spot on. This is all about protecting LPL. If there was a spare SAAB kickin around BLK Internatonal would have paid BE £££££s to start BLK to LTN or STN
. BLK IOM is all about BE wantin to control Ronaldsway
If there was a spare SAAB kickin around BLK Internatonal would have paid BE £££££s to start BLK to LTN or STN. BLK IOM is all about BE wantin to control Ronaldsway
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Fred, no doubt Loganair will have been given a rather generous deal to operate the route by BLK airport and more shockingly the IOM government.
When will the IOM officials ever learn about sustainability! It's all going to end up in tears!
When will the IOM officials ever learn about sustainability! It's all going to end up in tears!
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Politicians stop fiddling in air transport? Never!!! Despite the supposed privatisation of the original UK flag carrier and all the London airports - HMG still want to play with the toys and speak about it all as if they are kings of all they survey. It's just bluster. Unfortuantely, both across and in the Island, it's the kind of bluster that often lands up - doing the opposite of what they intend - costing jobs.
