ISLE OF MAN
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: UAE
Posts: 376
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Now what?
Its the same old story. Too much capacity chasing too few passengers. Now that EZY are operating LPL and Gatwick the damage has been done, and Flybe can do nothing but decline further. The IOM goverment needs a strategic vision for air travel from the island, in my opinion:
Step 1. Privitise the airport and introduce some real efficiency. The days of government employed baggage handlers should have ended in the 1970's.
Step 2.Control the capacity, for our Island a free for all has never served the customer well in the long term.
Step 3. Give true incentives to operators.
Step 4 (perhaps step1.) remove the present airport director and replace her with a commercial professional who can represent the Island to the aviation community.
Step 5. Stop wasting money on vanity projects. The new baggage processing area and Control tower could have been done at a fraction of the cost.
Step 1. Privitise the airport and introduce some real efficiency. The days of government employed baggage handlers should have ended in the 1970's.
Step 2.Control the capacity, for our Island a free for all has never served the customer well in the long term.
Step 3. Give true incentives to operators.
Step 4 (perhaps step1.) remove the present airport director and replace her with a commercial professional who can represent the Island to the aviation community.
Step 5. Stop wasting money on vanity projects. The new baggage processing area and Control tower could have been done at a fraction of the cost.
Last edited by Hansol; 29th Nov 2012 at 03:48.
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: In the house
Posts: 167
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Cant disagree with any of that fella.
what you have to do is get the message to penetrate the limited brain capacity (like mine) of the berks up in toytown. Getting to penetrate any part of the directress willbe an even greater achievement - unless you slip a note inside a currant bun.
what you have to do is get the message to penetrate the limited brain capacity (like mine) of the berks up in toytown. Getting to penetrate any part of the directress willbe an even greater achievement - unless you slip a note inside a currant bun.
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Notts
Posts: 58
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I agree, the islands blue skies agreement is eventually going to cripple the island, leaving only easyjet to cherry pick the most profitable times of the day. Airlines need to be protected like they are in gurnsey, because there is only room for one on each route. Easyjet and Flybe on one route does lead to cheaper fares, but only short term until one pulls of the route, then the price goes up.
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Isle of Man
Posts: 609
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Departed with 20-30 min delay. Landed 0824, minutes after STA 0820.
Stanstead closed due snow. Maybe ATC/LGW imposing delays due to inward diversions? Monday's delay was I guess due to the need to de-ice. The truck was busy when I drove past at 0800; MAN flight being de-iced, BA LCY still on ground waiting it's turn.
Stanstead closed due snow. Maybe ATC/LGW imposing delays due to inward diversions? Monday's delay was I guess due to the need to de-ice. The truck was busy when I drove past at 0800; MAN flight being de-iced, BA LCY still on ground waiting it's turn.
Last edited by Haven't a clue; 5th Dec 2012 at 07:55.
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Isle of Man
Posts: 403
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I-J. Pretty ill-informed and unhelpful comment, I'm afraid. I've flown the BE 271 twenty-five plus times this year and have not been late into LGW once. That rotation to LGW is very dependable, and even when they have got a crewing or aircraft issue in IOM, the LGW departure seems to get priority over LPL and MAN. Just because it's a few minutes late departing today when we seem to have significant disruption in the London area........
Edited to add - BE271 actually arrived at LGW 4 minutes behind schedule, so not actually late at all by the accepted definition.
Edited to add - BE271 actually arrived at LGW 4 minutes behind schedule, so not actually late at all by the accepted definition.
Last edited by Tonyq; 5th Dec 2012 at 08:01.
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Isle of Man
Posts: 170
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Future of Open Skies policy?
Open skies up for debate, wish they had done this when Manx Airlines was still around.
Public's views sought on Open Skies policy - Energy FM | Isle of Man
Public's views sought on Open Skies policy - Energy FM | Isle of Man
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Nearer home than before!
Posts: 524
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I'm sure they will not bother to express their views until Flybe are gone and the airport empty all day...and easyJet's pricing goes back to what they charge elsewhere, i.e. not willing to lose money on full flights like they do now.
What will the Island have? Same prices as before easyJet came. them once a day except Friday to Monday, and the real possibility of no links by air at all on Tuesdays. Unless you are Patient Transfer when you'll have the pleasure of some rotten old Easten European wreck on charter.
You can't blame leisure travelers taking the cheapest fares they can, Flybe's local staff don't hold any grudges either, but it is a job for the politicians to see the real danger and act to protect the Island's interests collectively.
Oh, and as the boss of Energy is on record as hating Flybe and loving EZ, we can expect a fully neutral view from the media, not.
But then they're used to being told "we told you so", anyway, and aren't renowned for learning from past mistakes.
What will the Island have? Same prices as before easyJet came. them once a day except Friday to Monday, and the real possibility of no links by air at all on Tuesdays. Unless you are Patient Transfer when you'll have the pleasure of some rotten old Easten European wreck on charter.
You can't blame leisure travelers taking the cheapest fares they can, Flybe's local staff don't hold any grudges either, but it is a job for the politicians to see the real danger and act to protect the Island's interests collectively.
Oh, and as the boss of Energy is on record as hating Flybe and loving EZ, we can expect a fully neutral view from the media, not.
But then they're used to being told "we told you so", anyway, and aren't renowned for learning from past mistakes.
Last edited by RVF750; 6th Dec 2012 at 10:09.
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Isle of Man
Posts: 170
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Dash & Thump, couldn't have put it better myself.
There was uproar when they anounced that they were to cut the bus service to Maughold and reduce frequencies on other routes, however, when it comes to planning the future of our air travel connections between the Island and the UK? Head in the sand again. Unbelievable!
There was uproar when they anounced that they were to cut the bus service to Maughold and reduce frequencies on other routes, however, when it comes to planning the future of our air travel connections between the Island and the UK? Head in the sand again. Unbelievable!
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Isle of Man
Posts: 609
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
For those of you with long memories we're seeing the Manx Line vs the Steam Packet battle played out again. After killing each other financially for a couple of years they merged. Government were terrified at the prospect of loosing the shipping link so they brought in a user agreement to give the Steam Packet a regulated monopoly.
Alas our two present day protagonists have different financial bases, and the one with the bigger pocket will inevitably win, with as D&T says dire consequences for the island's air services.
Many years ago I sat on a government committee looking at elements of the island's future prospects and how to make things grow and be better. I and others looked at transport and a senior member of our island's aviation community asked us to consider a similar user agreement which would also protect amongst other things the LHR slots. Despite our appreciation of his case and recommendations to the then government for such an agreement nothing happened.
The rest is history; the demise of our local airline, and the various bouts of cut throat competition which benefit the islands once a year travellers for a short time but damage the services in the longer term.
Market forces work in perfect markets. Our politicos and their advisors fail to realise that much of the island's marketplace is actually imperfect.
Alas our two present day protagonists have different financial bases, and the one with the bigger pocket will inevitably win, with as D&T says dire consequences for the island's air services.
Many years ago I sat on a government committee looking at elements of the island's future prospects and how to make things grow and be better. I and others looked at transport and a senior member of our island's aviation community asked us to consider a similar user agreement which would also protect amongst other things the LHR slots. Despite our appreciation of his case and recommendations to the then government for such an agreement nothing happened.
The rest is history; the demise of our local airline, and the various bouts of cut throat competition which benefit the islands once a year travellers for a short time but damage the services in the longer term.
Market forces work in perfect markets. Our politicos and their advisors fail to realise that much of the island's marketplace is actually imperfect.
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Isle Of Man
Age: 40
Posts: 441
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Flybe pull Luton for the winter
If more proof is needed then Flybes canning of LTN from Jan 7th shows the damage the competion on LGW is doing to most of the other routes here. LTN was always the cheapest way to London by miles but with cheaper seats now to LGW its been terrible loads recently.
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: earth
Posts: 952
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
7% rise in the november figures
More than 59,500 passengers passed through the Ronaldsway terminal, the highest November figure for five years.
More than 59,500 passengers passed through the Ronaldsway terminal, the highest November figure for five years.
Last edited by lfc84; 11th Dec 2012 at 10:17.
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Not so many places currently
Age: 60
Posts: 3,793
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Yes, Flybe just advised me the canning of two of my booked flights, offered LGW or BHX, neither good for me as I want connecting flights out of Luton.
Come on EZY, start IOM - LTN and really kick BE in the teeth as that will hurt them to BHX as well.
Sorry BE, you have taken us for a ride for too long now.
Come on EZY, start IOM - LTN and really kick BE in the teeth as that will hurt them to BHX as well.
Sorry BE, you have taken us for a ride for too long now.
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: ellan vannin
Posts: 217
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
If Easyjet had been interested in Ltn they would have done it before LGW.
After all they have bases in 4 airports that class themselves as London, but chose to fly from LGW despite that being already served by 29 flights weekly.
At least if they had started a daily to Luton it would have expanded consumer choice
After all they have bases in 4 airports that class themselves as London, but chose to fly from LGW despite that being already served by 29 flights weekly.
At least if they had started a daily to Luton it would have expanded consumer choice
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Isle of Man
Posts: 609
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
LGW
In the commentary accompanying the November figures the airport director says easyJet LGW pax were 3800. The overall increase to LGW was 2,981 so FlyBe have dropped just over 800, from the 10,300 last year. That's not bad but we don't know what the forward bookings look like.
FlyBe's response by cancelling loads of rotations will only make matters worse so maybe those forward bookings are dire?
FlyBe's response by cancelling loads of rotations will only make matters worse so maybe those forward bookings are dire?
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Not so many places currently
Age: 60
Posts: 3,793
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Wouldn't be suprised to see EZY come on-line with MAN and later LTN. I'm afraid BE, your days are numbered unless you get your price/product right!
Whether IOM will cope with say 4 A319s at once is a different matter!
Whether IOM will cope with say 4 A319s at once is a different matter!