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Old 24th Dec 2006, 09:33
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Originally Posted by gms1991
Sorry. Completely forgot about them!

There is Liverpool?!! They would certainly get 'wasted' at LPL! Ryanair and easyJet would have a field day burrying Jet2 into the ground!

I think that either Norwich or a Highland airport will get chosen.

Hate to cast a shadow on your assumption, but what is this statement based on. If you look at Newcastle currently the only place where easy and jet2 directly compete on the same routes Jet2 is consistantly cheaper for departures on the same day. With seats allocated at check in etc most people I know who previously used easy from ncl are now booking with Jet2. I think if anyone has to worry then its possibly the folks at easyjet!!
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Old 24th Dec 2006, 10:34
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EZY may not be LS's main problem, but FR would absolutely obliviate Jet2, even if they offer better services. The fares that Jet2 offer are far greater than Ryanair on Continental flights. They would find it very difficult to compete to a 'small' airport against the two biggest and most ruthless LC airlines.

If they can find a niche market like GSM and VLM have found, then they could be onto something, but if thy go in competition, they would have no chance!
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Old 24th Dec 2006, 11:28
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Well im not so sure about Ryanair and Jet2, thing is Mr Ryanair and Mr Jet2 are actually quite good mates, i remember rumours flying when the two were seem having a business lunch a few months ago, rumours where wild that we were being bought out when it was juts a simple lunch
Everyone will have their own preference to airline, im sure easyjet will have many returning pax, personally i dont think they are a bad airline... apart from their customer service lol (sorry - bad 5 or 6 bad experiences with EZY now, would rather walk than fly with them now) but im sure ppl will say the same about jet2
Will be interesting to see how they both get on this summer at NCL as they do operate the same routes just about from NCL

Now if you look at LS in other places, they took on the mighty BA at MAN
Many destination BA served from MAN that LS then operated soon stopped
E.g. AMS, PSA, FCO to name but a few, oh thanks to BA for handing Jet2 the LGW on a plate! lol
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Old 24th Dec 2006, 11:43
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I am not saying Jet2 are a bad airline. In fact, they are my second favorite airline, after Emirates (but there are in a different class! )

By LC terms, Jet2 are far ahead of everybody on services (except AB, who have full inflight service). They offer a great service, and very affordable prices. Just can't wait until they order some new planes!

I hope it will be an Airbus order, will help the manufacturer and make their aircraft look amazing! Also, do you think the current aircraft should have winglets to reduce the fuel? Would make perfect sense, unless the airline ARE planning an order for new aircraft?!
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Old 24th Dec 2006, 14:48
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Jet2 have 9 757s on the UK register and a 10th has arrived in the UK to be added soon. No flying for Glopespan next summer and the NCL-LGW is looking like the leased 146 from Flightline again.

Enough equipment to do a smallish base from somewhere like HUY or MME.
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Old 24th Dec 2006, 15:40
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Going loco
Just because they have been registered does not mean they are in service or even near going into service.
You will find the last four aircraft may be many months away, from being ready for service.
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Old 24th Dec 2006, 17:22
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Originally Posted by Wellington Bomber
Do not forget that Humberside is in the North and might Jet 2 open up there, also the airport is owned by Manchester and dont Jet 2 have a good relationship with them
Another advantage of HUY is that Jet 2 are already a well known brand on both banks of the Humber - there is heavy advertising of their LBA services - so advertising HUY services at the same time wouldn't incur any major additional expense

Furthermore a one aircraft (B737, not B757) base with routes to PMI/ALC/Murcia/Malaga 3/4 times a week each would be easy to fill just from the Humberside area alone. It also wouldn't seriously impact on the same Jet 2 routes from LBA or annoy TOM at DSA too much

Also look at what Jet 2 have done at BLK, while maintaining their MAN operations. HUY could be a similar scenario for Jet 2

A Jet 2 base at HUY seems like a very good idea to me
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Old 24th Dec 2006, 23:07
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Originally Posted by Mr @ Spotty M
Going loco
Just because they have been registered does not mean they are in service or even near going into service.
You will find the last four aircraft may be many months away, from being ready for service.
Spot on! G-LSAJ will prob be online and ready before AG AH and AI.
Also not sure about the 146 for the LGW service, if they do bring it in will have to make sure TF ELO dont come back to NCL as there will be many crewing issues with the TF 737 and the 146!
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Old 25th Dec 2006, 10:13
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Just a quick question. Does anyone know why with the recent poor weather at LBA the Jet2 737s were shooting Cat3s and getting in without any problems but the 757s were diverting to MAN? Just wondering if it's an ac , crew or airport equipment issue. MTIA. Merry Xmas to all PPRUNErs.
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Old 25th Dec 2006, 22:40
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Would Jet2 consider a purchase of another airline to further their expansion, in the same way flybe are in the process of buying out BA Connect? Financially or strategically could they work this?
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Old 25th Dec 2006, 23:22
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Hooded.
I think you will find that when Jet2 got the 757 they operated on Titans AOC, however i think they have changed to there own AOC and need to go through the CAA procedure for training etc to gain CAT111 for the 757.

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Old 26th Dec 2006, 06:59
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The 75's are Cat III but there is a problem with the hump at LBA, a few company restrictions are in place. I am sure this will be sorted soon.
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Old 26th Dec 2006, 10:32
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Originally Posted by rudolf
The 75's are Cat III but there is a problem with the hump at LBA, a few company restrictions are in place. I am sure this will be sorted soon.
I understand that CATIII trials are to take place shortly and one would imagine that the usual no tail wind component or less than 3 knot tail wind limit will apply.
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Old 26th Dec 2006, 10:36
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Indeed Rudolf - the other night in fact one of the 757s was holding above LBA for CAT1 minima and declared no1 alternate was a CAT3 into MAN. Clearly crew, aircraft, etc etc are all OK - but there's a LBA specific issue. Hopefully it can be resolved soon (by the way, a zero / low tailwind restriction is next to useless - as has been proved over the years by Britannia / Thomsonfly).


Talking of the 757s, I'd be amazed if they had increased the fleet size to 10 without the specific intention of getting the extra ones into service for the key summer period. Bearing in mind Jet2's peak schedule kicks off late May, then this seems realistic even if it does take "many months" to get them into service,
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Old 27th Dec 2006, 19:37
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NCLs TFS for summer has just gone on sale
Outbound about 1600 in at 0220!
now only 1 problem, upto now the based 757 is operating the daily MJV which goes out at 1300 ish, not back till after 7, where is the 757 coming from for the TFS?
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Old 28th Dec 2006, 07:34
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Smile

Who said there was only going to be One B757 based at NCL!
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Old 28th Dec 2006, 09:36
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0220!

How uncivilised.
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Old 28th Dec 2006, 11:14
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Pol1w...it was jet2 management that said that. at the meeting i was at.
I know things change daily at jet2 tho
At the moment we have 3x 737s 1x 757 and possibly 1x 146
the 3rd 737 hasnt got much flying as of yet. so with a under used 737 and a very under used 2nd 757 if its coming in, there must be more flights to be annoucenced, so i hope they hurry up and get them on sale soon

Silverhawk..... i know! how rude lol
I left charter so i didnt have to work during the night lol i guess 0220 isnt that bad, ill be back in bed for 4am!
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Old 28th Dec 2006, 13:49
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"0220!

How uncivilised."

Quite, but at least the Leeds Outer Ring Road is fairly quiet at that time of the morning

If there is to be a base at HUY, wonder if the crew will be dual-based with LBA as with MAN / BLK. Bit of a hike for some of the crew
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Old 28th Dec 2006, 20:34
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Going back to the comments regarding Cat3 at Leeds, you would be a brave man (or woman)!! There are major issues involved;
The approach is hilly causing problems for the RA.
The RW is sloped and has a big dip causing problems for the flare.
The RW is also short causing problems for the grass.
Crosswind.

Shame really. How about building a new Runway?

Still I bet the Yorkshire folk at Yeadon Flying club/airport never thought it would get this big.
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