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Old 11th Apr 2006, 08:04
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By any measure Jet2 has been a runaway success. It kicked of at Leeds 3 years ago with a new brand and now operates 20+ 737-300 and 2 or 3 757-200. I have yet to hear a passenger have anything but praise for them. No rumours of doggy engineering or poor quality flight crews. The guys i know that work there seem more than happy (all pilots moan the world over) but they seem content, the rosters are i am told stable and don't seem to work anything like the guys i know in Baby or Easy.

After rolling through Leeds they opened Manchester, BOH, NCL and now BPL and have just announced that they are moving their operations centre to Leeds.

So whats the secret, right place right time, right equipment right price, or is just down to that often missing quality (in airline management terms) very good management.

What ever it is well done to all involved, you've changed LBA from a flying club into an airport. Time for it to be renammed PMI (Philip Messon International)

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Old 11th Apr 2006, 08:39
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curious thread

forgive me while i just bend over to vomit.

is this some kind of PR stunt to get people on side after the fiasco with Phillip Meeson dissing the French?

I agree Jet2 is a pretty good success story - they have concentrated on niche routes with little or no competition - that is the reason for their success and nothing more. There is no magic ingrediant. They have as many tech/delays as any other airline - probably more than some.

They are successful by accident rather than by design. They don't even have a route development team. Maybe not being top-heavy (like easyJet is) will help still further in generating profits.

Anyway i don't see a sustainable future for them unless they continue to expand at a rate the same as other LCC's and add newer cheaper and more fuel efficient aircraft. (i.e lower cost per seat mile)
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Old 11th Apr 2006, 08:52
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I know one of their secrets - choosing LBA as their number 1 base. LBA has been crying out for a carrier like this for ages and has been long underserved by charter ops. Phil Meeson realised that people form Leeds area DO NOT want to travel to MAN - they want services on their own doorstep.

Jet2 seem to have raised there prices and still no let up - a damn good business model I'd say. The people of west yorks will actually put their hand in their pockets and pay a touch more to be able to fly from there own airport.
I cant speak for ops at MAN, BLK, NCL, BFS but maybe its just LBA has put them on the map and now theyre growing.

Good on them.
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Old 11th Apr 2006, 09:47
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Expand at the same rate as other LCC.......... like BMIbaby maybe??
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Old 11th Apr 2006, 10:09
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when i say LCC, i mean GENUINE LCC's!

by the way Phillip Meeson stole the LBA 737 based idea from a 16 year old kid who presented it to him as his A level project.
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Old 11th Apr 2006, 10:20
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and what exactly is the industry definition of a "genuine" low cost carrier?

The idea for Jet2 was borne out of the availablity of cheap 737s post 9/11 and the desire to better utilise channex's existing operational infrastrure (crewing, rostering, back office). Having identfied the business opportunity, a guy was recruited from Cranfield (considerably older than 16) who had completed an MBA (not A-levels) and who had worked up a hypothetical scenario of a BRS based LCC. It was this idea which ultimately became Jet2 in it's original form.

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Old 11th Apr 2006, 10:31
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Originally Posted by RobT100
I know one of their secrets - choosing LBA as their number 1 base. LBA has been crying out for a carrier like this for ages and has been long underserved by charter ops. Phil Meeson realised that people form Leeds area DO NOT want to travel to MAN - they want services on their own doorstep.
It is just a shame he didn't apply the same reasonable logic and realise the potential for BOH when he had the opportunity. All the hard working experienced people at BOH facing an undesirable move north or redundancy might not now be in this position.
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Old 11th Apr 2006, 10:46
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I quite agree with you LoCo (BOH still has potential - but see my entry re easyJet - ex-Jet2 / Chanex staff might be able to seek employment there)

My definition of a LCC is one where they maintain a strict control of costs (ensuring only one aircraft type) and strive for lower fares and maximum growth... by operating aircraft with the lowest seat mile cost, by operating into unconstrained airports and by making sure reliability is unmatched. By growing the carrier aggressively you can continually reduce costs on new routes/sectors by the ever diminishing overheads per sector... stagnant airlines will become less and less competitive - and if Jet2 dont start ordering new planes (because there are no cheap used ones left) they face this stagnation

is that ok?
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Old 11th Apr 2006, 11:31
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It is not always true that brand-new state-of-art aircraft is more efficient than a second-hand one. If you can buy or finance (to get away from operating lease) old aircraft cheap and you have a good control on a maintenance side you can achieve lower costs than with a fresh aircraft. It rather aircraft manufacturers propoganda and general public impression than new aircraft is always better. However it doesn't mean that old aircraft is always better.

On the other hand I would fully agree that many successfull businesses are successful by accident rather than by design.
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Old 11th Apr 2006, 12:13
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MOL without the engaging personality perhaps?
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Old 11th Apr 2006, 12:32
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Does J2 break the mould a bit in the way all the aircaft are owned assets (yes I know via HSBC), rather than simply leased ones.

They may be old generation, but they are no EAC smoking junk boxes
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Old 11th Apr 2006, 16:18
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I agree Jet2 is a pretty good success story - they have concentrated on niche routes with little or no competition - that is the reason for their success and nothing more. There is no magic ingrediant. They have as many tech/delays as any other airline - probably more than some.
Indeed. Anyone can start a great, small scale airline and probably can run a reasonably good medium scale one. Running a good, large scare operation is another matter altogether.

Jet2's next problem, should they expand, is that they'll have to try and encroach on the two big boys, FR and EZY - who will fight Jet2 to the death.
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Old 11th Apr 2006, 17:14
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I read the post that started this thread and initially thought is was a joke that had spilled over from JET BLAST, but it seems this person is deluded enough to believe what he/she had written.

Yes Jet2 is a sucess, but that sucess has been won by the hard work and dedication of the loyal and proffesional staff employed by the company, (none more so than those staff at BOH) we the staff, not just at BOH bur all the staff, keep this airline flying efficiently. How is the company treating these staff ? by selling them up the river !

Whilst the move to LBA may advantageous to a very small minority, the vast majority are being thrown on the scrapheap. The sucess and growth of Jet2 could have been achieved at BOH. Other lowcost airlines have seen, and are expoliting that potential.

Jet2 stand to lose a great deal of expertise by this move.

INKJET clearly has no idea how stong the feelings within the company are or he/she would not have made such inflamatory statements, clearly this simpering sycophant is either attempting to get a job with Jet2 at Leeds or is seeking promotion from within.

I make no apologies for the sentiments I express here, it mearly reflects the strength of mine and many others feelings to the original post.


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Old 11th Apr 2006, 17:29
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Yes I totally agree! it's almost like Phillip Meeson himself wrote the words
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Old 11th Apr 2006, 19:01
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Jet2 have a very rocky road ahead. The move of staff from Boh to Lba is not going as well as expected.

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Old 12th Apr 2006, 08:22
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"After rolling through Leeds they opened Manchester, BOH, NCL and now BPL "

BOH! Yet more proof that Inkjet hasn't a clue what he's talking about. One route operated INTO BOH was an absolute disaster and rather quickly discontinued.

Just wait until there is a small blip in the market and watch PM treat Jet2 people the way he has treated Channex staff.
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Old 12th Apr 2006, 18:27
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Please can I ask why you have started this thread?

Is it as I suspect to cause a debate about Jet2 and stir up ill feeling?

You know very well how jet 2 are doing because you know people that work here, you part time with some of our people on the MCC course and you loiter around the airport. So in fact, you know very well what Jet2’s success has been and how they are coping on a day to day basis with some sensitive issues.

Please leave Leeds alone now along with Bmi regional and jet2 and enjoy your time at EGNV on the 737,that of course is if you can.

This thread of yours and your constant stirring should explain to you why graffiti was written on the 145 about you and why so many of your Bmi regional colleagues are so please to see the back of you.

Don’t start on jet2 leave us alone and let us sort our own issues out.

Many thanks

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Old 12th Apr 2006, 18:46
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well said mate
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Old 12th Apr 2006, 20:05
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Like all newer airline jet2 uses cheaper aircraft to get operations going.
FR started out with the old 737-200 so in the beginning their overheads would be very cheap with that old thing.
Personally I dont think the airline is doing to bad myself, its growing a quick pace and yes it might be aiming for those routes not served by any other airlines but to me that makes sense really, why go after a route that had many other operators on it when you can do a route where you are the only operator and can make a fortune! i would do the same
not all jet2 routes are these routes, we operate man-alc,fao,lgw,gva and more that are already operated by loco airlines and nearly every other charter airline going, yet the flights are always full!
Jet2 listens to its passengers unlike most other airlines, instead of researching a route and how much money it will make jet2 will just ask the passengers directly where they want to fly, they will then try it out, if it works it stays! and its working so far. plus we have a very smart marketing team behind us, you cant seem to get moved in MAN, NCL, LBA for big red jet2 posters on bill boards, buses, bus stops, news papers and more. so its success is no accident, its hard work put in my the managment and all of us on the front line who try are best to ensure people come back, and judging by the comment we get and the compliments our passengers give as they leave us we are doing a bloody good job!
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Old 12th Apr 2006, 20:49
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Embrayer,

Thanks for your post, I could'nt have said it better myself.

It really put a smile on the faces of the crew in our office

Must be time for a new name Inkjet (viktor, burt, whatever), you've given it away!
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