HEATHROW

[EI-BUD]

Cancellations at Heathrow

Whats happening at LHR today, there are some Cancelled flights, Belfast, Dublin and Belfast City have 1 each. Is it weather? I am a bit out of touch today!!

[sealink]

a little bit of snow and slots all over the place. ei bfs cancelled ealier, bmi hit with delays to bhd.

[42ongo]

snow at LHR

yes we could not expect the chaps to manage the bagagge problems at T5
and deal with the snow at the same time could we ?

[green granite]

Heathrow plans crash zone on motorway

From today's Sunday Times

PLANS for a third runway at Heathrow, the world’s busiest international airport, flout safety guidelines by placing a proposed crash-landing zone on top of a motorway junction.

If true doesn't seen very sensible.

Full article here: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle3736233.ece

[roll_over]

I'm not educated on this, but with something as controversial as a third runway it would seem sensible to give the opposition as little ammo as possible.

[HEATHROW DIRECTOR]

It also said that documents released under FoI Act had revealed the possible conflict with Northolt traffic. Wow! They'll be using FoI next to find out if it's intended that aeroplanes should use the new runway.

[green granite]

I think HEATHROW DIRECTOR that that is a way of suggesting that the government is being selective in what it publishes in the consultation document, rather that what you are implying.

[A4]

The thing that strikes me about the article is the proposed cost. How the hell can it cost £12.7 BILLION to build a new runway + other bits? I know they've got to compulsory purchase some property/land but £12,700,000,000 is totally preposterous! A strip of concrete for heavens sake! How long to get back the return on investment?

A4

[Witraz]

A4,
This is Britain in the modern ages. £10 Billion will have been set aside for political correctness to cover things like making sure all illegal immigrants get a fair hearing and are satisfied that the new runway will be to the required standard should they fail in their application and be required to depart off of it. Me an old cynic……..never

[antic81]

That is of course if they remain on budget...
And when they do open up for business they will probably lose all the aircraft and cancel half the flights...and Heathrow will come to a grinding halt for a month while they try to figure out what to do next...

[Spitoon]

Interesting read. I particularly liked the document in which the CAA outlines its concerns - there appears to be at least one page missing (great for conspiracy theorists).

[green granite]

I wonder how many people in the industry really think that perhaps it might be better to start dusting off the plans for an airport on the Maplin Sands in the Thames Estuary, but can't really say so.

[Avman]

Why a 3rd runway? With the rising cost of oil, Heathrow will soon not even have enough traffic for two runways. Visions of a ghost airport with tumble weed blowing around

I like it witraz.

[Doors to Automatic]

The last time I looked it cost about £100,000 per meter to build a runway. By my calculations a new runway would therefore cost between £200 and £400 million depending on its length.

Double this for taxiways etc and you could just about get to £1bn for a 4000m runway. How on earth does this one (which I understand is only 2200m) cost £12.7 bn ???

(Thats around £2m per meter!!!)

[A4]

You're correct GG. LHR is simply not sustainable. It's already at breaking point, T5 is a disaster and adding another runway will overload the surrounding infrastructure to breaking point. Coupled with the fact that it's in completely the wrong location necessitating approaches over one of the most densely populated cities in the world only adds weight to the arguement to cease any further expansion at LHR and build in the Thames estuary. Why "waste" £12.7 billion on a compromised expansion of LHR?

If they did build in the Thames estuary, then that would negate any requirement to expand STN and all the billboards and endless moaning letters in my local paper would also cease - and my Council Tax wouldn't be funding the Stop Stansted Expansion campaign so the council could then fill in all the potholes in my town. It's a WIN, WIN, WIN situation!

A4

[Flying Grasshopper]

£12.7 BILLION...................it is simple, cost of runway £2.7 BILLION, cost of lawyers and barristers for public inquiry £10.0 BILLION.

[HeathrowAirport]

Adding a third Runway would not Cripple the Infastructure it would make it more relaxed.

Yes there would be major airpspace changes LIKE ANY OTHER AIRPORT that is new or runway added on.

New SIDS, STARS, New TWR and GND Movement frequencies and maybe APP but i think personally the residences get 11:40z-04:20Z with no traffic just late buggers coming in, Like Emirates from Dubai lol.

So instead of a third runway, the option is stuff HACAN and run 24hours ops or the best option is to have 3 Runways and cut that time down and give more sleeping hours.

Up to them residences and tree hugging muppets.

Regards,

Rob

[Backoffice]

I wonder how many people in the industry really think that perhaps it might be better to start dusting off the plans for an airport on the Maplin Sands in the Thames Estuary, but can't really say so.
Today 11:25

Why didn't we do that then Nigel ?

Because of a rare snail sir.

Oh of course, wild life, far more important than those plebs in Sibson.

[A4]

Heathrow, I wasn't talking about the SID/STAR infrastructure, I was talking about the M25/M4/A4 etc etc. How anyone can stand operating shorthaul out of LHR amazes me. Delayed in the air, on the ground for stands,to the car park and then the commute............ insane!!!!!!!!!!

A4

[llondel]

How about a high-speed, dedicated rail link between Heathrow and Stansted? Then you could put the runways at Stansted and reach your connecting flight via a connecting train.

In order not to diminish the scheme's appeal, the crash zone could be projected to be junction 8 of the M11.