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Another was the scheme, that was entirely financed by the private sector, to place a 2000ft
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Why a 3rd runway? With the rising cost of oil, Heathrow will soon not even have enough traffic for two runways. Visions of a ghost airport with tumble weed blowing around
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A question and a fact:
First the question: how would tunnelling a motorway save any emissions? They'd still be generated and would have to be pumped somewhere.
Second, the fact: the new runway at Kansai cost approximately $8 billion (about £4 billion) and they had to build a whole island for it. I can only assume the £12+ billion figure must include Terminal 6...or all the lawyer and consultant fees as discussed.
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First the question: how would tunnelling a motorway save any emissions? They'd still be generated and would have to be pumped somewhere.
Second, the fact: the new runway at Kansai cost approximately $8 billion (about £4 billion) and they had to build a whole island for it. I can only assume the £12+ billion figure must include Terminal 6...or all the lawyer and consultant fees as discussed.
Bob
I think that 2000 feet might be a tad short for public transport flights in anything bigger than a Twotter?
It was of course 2000m!
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I believe that the powers that be ought to stop doing more of the same and start doing something different.
For me, that is:
- continue to develop inter city rail to reduce domestic flights to LHR
- cap LHR at its current size and make BAA focus their investment on making it work properly and delivering proper customer service
- Discourage transit passengers (by taxing them) at LHR for reasons so well described above. That may alter the viability of some other flights but hey do we stand still just to protect marginally profitable routes?
- work with other European countries (that's what the EU should be about) and deliver a European gateway airport somewhere central (e.g. central or eastern France, the German border, Poland etc.) and link it to the high speed rail network to feed pax to/from neighbouring countries. It worked with Airbus, and companies like Peugeot Citroen, VW etc. also have experience of cross-EU working, so it can be done.
Then again, being even more radical, I believe that many flights are discretionary (second/third holidays, VFR, "business meetings" a.k.a. "dirty weekends" etc.). A good dose of aviation fuel tax will weed those out and then we'll see if there's really demand for more runways.
For me, that is:
- continue to develop inter city rail to reduce domestic flights to LHR
- cap LHR at its current size and make BAA focus their investment on making it work properly and delivering proper customer service
- Discourage transit passengers (by taxing them) at LHR for reasons so well described above. That may alter the viability of some other flights but hey do we stand still just to protect marginally profitable routes?
- work with other European countries (that's what the EU should be about) and deliver a European gateway airport somewhere central (e.g. central or eastern France, the German border, Poland etc.) and link it to the high speed rail network to feed pax to/from neighbouring countries. It worked with Airbus, and companies like Peugeot Citroen, VW etc. also have experience of cross-EU working, so it can be done.
Then again, being even more radical, I believe that many flights are discretionary (second/third holidays, VFR, "business meetings" a.k.a. "dirty weekends" etc.). A good dose of aviation fuel tax will weed those out and then we'll see if there's really demand for more runways.
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Well we can witter on about good railways and taxing poor people off the airlines but it's gonna be simple. There will be a sixth (by then only a fifth) terminal at Heathrow, there will be a third runway. If you don't get why this needs to happen please get back to reading the Guardian and playing with your train set imagining the new wondrous London to Belfast railway line......
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skipness one echo, If you're local, then why are u mentioning Slough..??
It's going to be Sipson, Harlington, Harmondsworth and Longford that will be massively affected. With Sipson, where I happen to live, being wiped off the map.And if they say 700 homes, you can bet it's going to mean a hell of a lot more than that.We've got one of the best primary schools in the country here. Just won an award for the third year running. Always full, and has a waiting list.It isn't a dump here, it's like living in a little village.Everyone says hello to each other when you're walking to the post office,(yes we've still got one of those), or the local butcher, or the 16th century pub.
I'm finding it quite refreshing to read a lot of these posts, I thought everyone on here would be pro the 3rd runway. To be the best, Heathrow doesn't have to be the biggest.
It's going to be Sipson, Harlington, Harmondsworth and Longford that will be massively affected. With Sipson, where I happen to live, being wiped off the map.And if they say 700 homes, you can bet it's going to mean a hell of a lot more than that.We've got one of the best primary schools in the country here. Just won an award for the third year running. Always full, and has a waiting list.It isn't a dump here, it's like living in a little village.Everyone says hello to each other when you're walking to the post office,(yes we've still got one of those), or the local butcher, or the 16th century pub.
I'm finding it quite refreshing to read a lot of these posts, I thought everyone on here would be pro the 3rd runway. To be the best, Heathrow doesn't have to be the biggest.
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Skipness One Echo - you don't appear to get why this doesn't need to happen.
We can all share our opinions without personal insults. You know nothing about my politics, my newspaper preferences nor my hobbies, so don't presume to quote them in your posts.
Many people on here are expressing valid opinions without insults. You could try joining them.
And before you "ho ho ho" criticise rail links to Belfast, for example, take a breath and think about how travel to Belfast could be achieved without flying. Bridge? Tunnel? It's been done in other countries - don't be as narrow-minded as the British Govt and the airport/airline industry in dismissing any solution other than flying, out of hand.
We can all share our opinions without personal insults. You know nothing about my politics, my newspaper preferences nor my hobbies, so don't presume to quote them in your posts.
Many people on here are expressing valid opinions without insults. You could try joining them.
And before you "ho ho ho" criticise rail links to Belfast, for example, take a breath and think about how travel to Belfast could be achieved without flying. Bridge? Tunnel? It's been done in other countries - don't be as narrow-minded as the British Govt and the airport/airline industry in dismissing any solution other than flying, out of hand.
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Momentary Lapse, you enjoy living in an idyllic paradise next to a very busy airport ! You don't want to move, I understand that, but I admire the French way where the rights of a few hundred are fairly balanced against the needs of the country. So you get cracking on digging that tunnel to Ireland.....
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The way I see it, it's the rights of a couple of thousand of people against a few businesses.I know,those businesses include peoples' jobs, but NOT having a 3rd runway hasn't seemed to turn LHR into a ghost town has it?? Against the "needs of the country??" I don't think so. When I was at Parliament a few years ago meeting MPs regarding this, one of the MPs from Liverpool said they were supporting us, as they were crying out for expansion up there.She said they had the space, needed the jobs, etc,and why should so many people add hours onto their journey just to transfer through Heathrow.There are many people all over the country questioning how a third runway would benefit themselves. I know it would benefit some busineses, but not so much "ordinary Joe public".
Yes it is a great old pub.And in Harmondsworth we have the Great Barn, which was used by Henry viii.
Safe and happy flying to all..
Yes it is a great old pub.And in Harmondsworth we have the Great Barn, which was used by Henry viii.
Safe and happy flying to all..