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I would prefer the train service TBH, but with the amount of NIMBYs to pacify for a 200 mph service on a dedicated line between Rugby, Birmingham, Leeds and Manchester, I guess the amount of NIMBYs at the runway (well, to be fair, the people who've lived for decades where LHR r/way 3 is to go) is less...
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Looser Government and tree huggers!
By the time we cut through the governments stupid red tape and the idiotic tree huggers finally fall out of a tree and have a shower AMS will have built 18 even further right which will be closer to London than LHR! I would love to know what the hell in the world we in Britain are good at anymore apart from Obesity, drunken louts and teenage pregnancy!?
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The idea that a super fast train line will be a good alternative to a 3rd runway is laughable. I mean seriously who have the Conservatives actually asked to look into this and they thought it was a good idea. When did you last hear of flights from Heathrow to Birmingham or Leeds, and even if all the Manchester/Scotland flights were taken out (and this would still mean changing trains at Manchester) the free slots would be replaced with other flights in the blink of an eye. Freeing up a few slots is not what is needed, actually spare capacity for growth and room to expand and attract more customers/cargo/revenue.
The train idea is very good for train users but not to replace a runway! Anyway if the government can ever make a train network that is reliable and safe, not overcrowded and full of drunks then people might be more keen to use it.
The train idea is very good for train users but not to replace a runway! Anyway if the government can ever make a train network that is reliable and safe, not overcrowded and full of drunks then people might be more keen to use it.
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Dear Maverick
Britan has bee only good at obesity , pregnancy & getting truly pissed for years. What planet have you been on - Did you remember to close the door on your flying Saucer - If its unlocked the thing will get TWOC'd Etc. (Sorry cannot Stop -Have Car - but the owner's want It back - Blues & two's behind - must go ! - Byeeee.)
We will converse with ailen life forms before the 3rd Runway is built at LHR (Largely Humungus Rathole)
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We will converse with ailen life forms before the 3rd Runway is built at LHR (Largely Humungus Rathole)
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Oh dear why do people dive in with their mouths first......?
The recent legislation to fast track large projects of public interest is designed to ram this through as it is deemed ( and I agree ) to be of national importance. Cameron won't be in power until 2010 IF he wins and once he's in the door and the real decisions are his to take, it would be a bloody brave man that would backtrack on Runway 3 as he would be slaughtered by business. The issue of West London marginals will be parked for a few years by this point. It WILL happen, and not before time.
The recent legislation to fast track large projects of public interest is designed to ram this through as it is deemed ( and I agree ) to be of national importance. Cameron won't be in power until 2010 IF he wins and once he's in the door and the real decisions are his to take, it would be a bloody brave man that would backtrack on Runway 3 as he would be slaughtered by business. The issue of West London marginals will be parked for a few years by this point. It WILL happen, and not before time.
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As none of the major projects seem to make any money how will this be funded, considering that the recession will run for about a 5 year cycle. We do need it, to bring the rest of the worlds dross in to feed, clothe and house? It will be a shame that the rail links are not the first priority as they are long overdue.
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Being Serious this time
In all the proposals that I have seen, (Not very detailed I have to admit ) a shorter runway aligned with, and to the north of the two exsistng long runways, to cater for I assume, is to be short/ medium routes ,is going to have long taxi and waiting time issues regarding taxing times, both for Take offs and landings - Say from T4 at the southern part of the complex - I know its been talked about on PPRUNE but has anyone done a work/computer simulation study to properly quantify the consequences, of say operations on a Rwy 28C (prev 28R ) and "new" Rwy 28R or 28S for short. Think of Parallel Ops or when LVP are in operation Arrival & Departure seperation. Taxi way layouts etc, or are we still at the kite flying stage in all of this. ?
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short/ medium routes is going to have long waiting issues regarding taxing times both for Take offs and landings - Say from T4 at the southern part of the complex - I know its been talked about on PPRUNE but has anyone done a work/computer simulation study to properly quantify the consequences of say operations on a Rwy 28C (prev 28R ) and new Rwy 28R or 28S for short
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A third runway - or any expansion of existing airports - would be criminally irresponsible. We need to be controlling capacity and safeguarding the environment by pricing the masses out of the sky, not by covering even more fields and villages with tarmac and shopping malls.
I'll vote for any party that promises us that the third runway will not happen.
I'll vote for any party that promises us that the third runway will not happen.
Michael SWS - I think that many of the people reading this forum are completely sold on the idea of a third runway and a 6th terminal at Heathrow. They'd probably also support additional runways at both Luton and Stansted and also Gatwick as soon as the planning agreements permit it in 2019 as well !
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No most people on this forum know the importance of international connectivity through a world class hub versus more Ryanair 737s at 50p a flight from Runway 2 at Essex International.
If anyone has a number for Doctor Who, perhaps he could drop Michael SWS back in the glory days of 1974. No masses cluttering up "our" airports back then. I agree that unrestricted growth is nuts but well managed growth in the right place is years overdue. The current infrastructure is incredibly bad !
If anyone has a number for Doctor Who, perhaps he could drop Michael SWS back in the glory days of 1974. No masses cluttering up "our" airports back then. I agree that unrestricted growth is nuts but well managed growth in the right place is years overdue. The current infrastructure is incredibly bad !
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The Daily Telegraph article which started this thread mentioned 38 Labour MPs had signed an early day motion opposing a 3rd r/w at LHR. Since the government only has a majority in the low 60"s then the numbers needed to vote this through are not there. I am convinced the recent resignation of Ruth Kelly as former transport secretary is significant.
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Originally Posted by SkipnessOne Echo
I agree that unrestricted growth is nuts but well managed growth in the right place is years overdue. The current infrastructure is incredibly bad !
People are flying too much. In a world of diminishing resources and threatened environment it is time to price most of those people out of the skies. Fares have hardly changed in absolute terms since 1974, and in real terms they are probably a tenth of what they were back then. If airlines such as Ryanair wish to continue to fly people unnecessarily across the continent for pennies then let's tax them until the fares reach a level that discourages people from nipping to Dublin for lunch or taking half a dozen weekend breaks per year. And put the resulting income - and the money that would have been spent on airport expansion - into dragging our rail network out of the 19th century and into the 21st.
Why not just let CDG, Frankfurt and Schiphol grow and become the major European hubs? What's so bad about trying to make Heathrow the best airport in the world rather than the biggest?
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Why not just let CDG, Frankfurt and Schiphol grow and become the major European hubs? What's so bad about trying to make Heathrow the best airport in the world rather than the biggest?
Quite how this makes Heathrow the best airline in the world is anyone's guess.
it is time to price most of those people out of the skies