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Old 1st Nov 2008, 00:58
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By the time it gets through public enquiry and planning, the conservatives will be in power anyway and if they stick to their manifesto it will be cancelled.

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I would prefer the train service TBH, but with the amount of NIMBYs to pacify for a 200 mph service on a dedicated line between Rugby, Birmingham, Leeds and Manchester, I guess the amount of NIMBYs at the runway (well, to be fair, the people who've lived for decades where LHR r/way 3 is to go) is less...

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Old 1st Nov 2008, 02:33
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and if they stick to their manifesto it will be cancelled.
They won't and it will go ahead.
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Just out of curiosity , where will they put the third one?

But i think its a good thing if they will do so.
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Old 1st Nov 2008, 04:07
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Angry Looser Government and tree huggers!

By the time we cut through the governments stupid red tape and the idiotic tree huggers finally fall out of a tree and have a shower AMS will have built 18 even further right which will be closer to London than LHR! I would love to know what the hell in the world we in Britain are good at anymore apart from Obesity, drunken louts and teenage pregnancy!?

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Old 1st Nov 2008, 11:25
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The idea that a super fast train line will be a good alternative to a 3rd runway is laughable. I mean seriously who have the Conservatives actually asked to look into this and they thought it was a good idea. When did you last hear of flights from Heathrow to Birmingham or Leeds, and even if all the Manchester/Scotland flights were taken out (and this would still mean changing trains at Manchester) the free slots would be replaced with other flights in the blink of an eye. Freeing up a few slots is not what is needed, actually spare capacity for growth and room to expand and attract more customers/cargo/revenue.
The train idea is very good for train users but not to replace a runway! Anyway if the government can ever make a train network that is reliable and safe, not overcrowded and full of drunks then people might be more keen to use it.
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Old 1st Nov 2008, 11:39
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Dear Maverick

Britan has bee only good at obesity , pregnancy & getting truly pissed for years. What planet have you been on - Did you remember to close the door on your flying Saucer - If its unlocked the thing will get TWOC'd Etc. (Sorry cannot Stop -Have Car - but the owner's want It back - Blues & two's behind - must go ! - Byeeee.)

We will converse with ailen life forms before the 3rd Runway is built at LHR (Largely Humungus Rathole)

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Old 1st Nov 2008, 12:22
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Oh dear why do people dive in with their mouths first......?
The recent legislation to fast track large projects of public interest is designed to ram this through as it is deemed ( and I agree ) to be of national importance. Cameron won't be in power until 2010 IF he wins and once he's in the door and the real decisions are his to take, it would be a bloody brave man that would backtrack on Runway 3 as he would be slaughtered by business. The issue of West London marginals will be parked for a few years by this point. It WILL happen, and not before time.
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Old 1st Nov 2008, 12:38
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Runway 3 will be north of the existing runways and shorter.
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Old 1st Nov 2008, 12:57
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As none of the major projects seem to make any money how will this be funded, considering that the recession will run for about a 5 year cycle. We do need it, to bring the rest of the worlds dross in to feed, clothe and house? It will be a shame that the rail links are not the first priority as they are long overdue.
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Old 1st Nov 2008, 13:08
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Being Serious this time

In all the proposals that I have seen, (Not very detailed I have to admit ) a shorter runway aligned with, and to the north of the two exsistng long runways, to cater for I assume, is to be short/ medium routes ,is going to have long taxi and waiting time issues regarding taxing times, both for Take offs and landings - Say from T4 at the southern part of the complex - I know its been talked about on PPRUNE but has anyone done a work/computer simulation study to properly quantify the consequences, of say operations on a Rwy 28C (prev 28R ) and "new" Rwy 28R or 28S for short. Think of Parallel Ops or when LVP are in operation Arrival & Departure seperation. Taxi way layouts etc, or are we still at the kite flying stage in all of this. ?

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Old 1st Nov 2008, 13:49
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short/ medium routes is going to have long waiting issues regarding taxing times both for Take offs and landings - Say from T4 at the southern part of the complex - I know its been talked about on PPRUNE but has anyone done a work/computer simulation study to properly quantify the consequences of say operations on a Rwy 28C (prev 28R ) and new Rwy 28R or 28S for short
NATS have already modelled all this in great detail. The conclusion is the best arrangement would be for 27L and the renamed 27C to operate segregated, while the new 27R would be mixed mode. Also, it's likely that any new runway would be accompanied by a terminal north of the existing complex.
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Old 1st Nov 2008, 17:19
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Are we sure it will be another 09 / 27 and not a 10 / 28 or a 08 / 26, just to keep things a little simpler.
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Old 1st Nov 2008, 17:27
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A third runway - or any expansion of existing airports - would be criminally irresponsible. We need to be controlling capacity and safeguarding the environment by pricing the masses out of the sky, not by covering even more fields and villages with tarmac and shopping malls.

I'll vote for any party that promises us that the third runway will not happen.
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Old 1st Nov 2008, 17:44
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Michael SWS - I think that many of the people reading this forum are completely sold on the idea of a third runway and a 6th terminal at Heathrow. They'd probably also support additional runways at both Luton and Stansted and also Gatwick as soon as the planning agreements permit it in 2019 as well !
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Old 1st Nov 2008, 18:06
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No most people on this forum know the importance of international connectivity through a world class hub versus more Ryanair 737s at 50p a flight from Runway 2 at Essex International.

If anyone has a number for Doctor Who, perhaps he could drop Michael SWS back in the glory days of 1974. No masses cluttering up "our" airports back then. I agree that unrestricted growth is nuts but well managed growth in the right place is years overdue. The current infrastructure is incredibly bad !
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Old 1st Nov 2008, 18:32
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The Daily Telegraph article which started this thread mentioned 38 Labour MPs had signed an early day motion opposing a 3rd r/w at LHR. Since the government only has a majority in the low 60"s then the numbers needed to vote this through are not there. I am convinced the recent resignation of Ruth Kelly as former transport secretary is significant.
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Old 1st Nov 2008, 18:37
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Originally Posted by SkipnessOne Echo
I agree that unrestricted growth is nuts but well managed growth in the right place is years overdue. The current infrastructure is incredibly bad !
Both infrastructure and interconnectivity can, and should, be improved by means other than airport expansion.

People are flying too much. In a world of diminishing resources and threatened environment it is time to price most of those people out of the skies. Fares have hardly changed in absolute terms since 1974, and in real terms they are probably a tenth of what they were back then. If airlines such as Ryanair wish to continue to fly people unnecessarily across the continent for pennies then let's tax them until the fares reach a level that discourages people from nipping to Dublin for lunch or taking half a dozen weekend breaks per year. And put the resulting income - and the money that would have been spent on airport expansion - into dragging our rail network out of the 19th century and into the 21st.

Why not just let CDG, Frankfurt and Schiphol grow and become the major European hubs? What's so bad about trying to make Heathrow the best airport in the world rather than the biggest?
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Old 1st Nov 2008, 18:58
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Why not just let CDG, Frankfurt and Schiphol grow and become the major European hubs? What's so bad about trying to make Heathrow the best airport in the world rather than the biggest?
Have you considered a career in comedy? Railway connectivity is a classic red herring. You could ban all flights from ABZ / EDI / GLA / NCL / MME / LBA / JER and still barely dent Heathrow's movement figures so the "lets build a high speed rail link" whilst being an excellent idea in itself, is not directly related to expansion of LHR. Travellers in these airports would simply connect abroad and our own long haul airlines would suffer as their market was reduced. It's way easier to connect through AMS or CDG than get a train to London then a walk to the plane to check in etc. There would be more job losses at BA and Virgin as a result.

Quite how this makes Heathrow the best airline in the world is anyone's guess.

it is time to price most of those people out of the skies
Pompous and arrogant elitism that I'm afraid, sorry but I'm here to stay. Deal with it or get back to the railways where you'll be happy surrounded by er......common people.
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Old 1st Nov 2008, 19:13
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I'll vote for any party that promises us that the third runway will not happen.
I'll vote for any party that promises a fourth runway will happen!

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