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I've just been reading about CO who are estimated to have paid near $150,000 per slot pair!
Please can somebody explain to me how they plan to make profit off of this when there is also fuel, landing fees, handling, ATC etc. to pay?!
Cheers.
Please can somebody explain to me how they plan to make profit off of this when there is also fuel, landing fees, handling, ATC etc. to pay?!
Cheers.
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Because yields up front are much stronger at Heathrow than Gatwick and over time the investment will pay itself off. Business is business and the price was WAY more than the one you quote.
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Cameron says "No" to third Heathrow runway?
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle4152227.ece
David Cameron is quoted in the Times as having all but ruled out a third runway at Heathrow and having accused Brown of being pigheaded in pursuing a political point.
He decries the economic argument in favour of R3 as flawed.
Interesting, "courageous" (as Sir Humphrey might put it) move ... how the business community will react to this, let alone LHR based carriers is another issue; will DC give any assurances to regional UK destinations which are likely to lose their LHR access if growth is blocked.
Alternatively, did DC actually rule out R3, or is he being quoted by the media as going further than he intended to (seems unlikely?) ...
David Cameron is quoted in the Times as having all but ruled out a third runway at Heathrow and having accused Brown of being pigheaded in pursuing a political point.
He decries the economic argument in favour of R3 as flawed.
Interesting, "courageous" (as Sir Humphrey might put it) move ... how the business community will react to this, let alone LHR based carriers is another issue; will DC give any assurances to regional UK destinations which are likely to lose their LHR access if growth is blocked.
Alternatively, did DC actually rule out R3, or is he being quoted by the media as going further than he intended to (seems unlikely?) ...
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At least he dropped his daft plans to heap even more tax on air travellers as advised by a well known and extremely wealthy trustafarian. As for Heathrow, they should have abandoned it years ago and built another airport in the Thames Estuary complete with proper transport links, (fifteen quid one way to Paddington with no onward connections because the bloody jubilee line is always closed at the weekend or an hour on the Piccadilly line with the hoodies does not constitute a proper transport link). If they insist on keeping the wretched place then at least extend the supposed "high speed rail links" into it and give the rest of the country a chance to get to and from it. Last time I looked, the majority of the country does not live in Oxford, Windsor or Chiswick although it may feel that way with all the traffic (trying to get to LHR no doubt). That should be a precondition to the go ahead for any third runway.
3rd Runway? Compounding an error
Heathrow is in the wrong place. Making it busier and bigger is just making matters worse and compounding the error. The really "courageous" decision would be to build a completely new airport with better infrastructure potential.
Why build a new airport, when there are large areas of concrete and tarmac at Alconbury, Woodbridge, Bentwaters, etc
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Have you any idea how difficult it is to get from Woodbridge/ Bentwaters to any other part of the UK? Let alone London!
Alconbury may have some merits, however, it wouldn't half upset the residents of Huntingdon/ Cambridge to the east or Kettering/ Northampton to the west!
Have you any idea how difficult it is to get from Woodbridge/ Bentwaters to any other part of the UK? Let alone London!
Alconbury may have some merits, however, it wouldn't half upset the residents of Huntingdon/ Cambridge to the east or Kettering/ Northampton to the west!
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It would be fine for Cameron to say no to a 3rd runway at LHR, but only if he tells us what his alternative plan would be. Just saying what he wouldn't do is the most pathetic form of political point-scoring, and it could rebound on him severely.
The City, Lloyds, the London Stock Exchange etc and all the industries whose life flows from the wealth the financial sector generates would die a death if (no - WHEN) all the available airports that can realistically serve London become totally clogged.
A major world city is no longer a major world city if it cuts itself off from the world.
Sure, Heathrow's in the wrong place for lots of reasons, but it's too late to do the estuary thing now. You could do it AS WELL, of course, but it will take so long to create the new airport and the high speed road and rail links it will need that Heathrow will have to be operating its third runway and Gatwick its second for years before "son of Maplin Sands" opens. If it were to open, with all its six parallel runways, Heathrow can be closed.
The City, Lloyds, the London Stock Exchange etc and all the industries whose life flows from the wealth the financial sector generates would die a death if (no - WHEN) all the available airports that can realistically serve London become totally clogged.
A major world city is no longer a major world city if it cuts itself off from the world.
Sure, Heathrow's in the wrong place for lots of reasons, but it's too late to do the estuary thing now. You could do it AS WELL, of course, but it will take so long to create the new airport and the high speed road and rail links it will need that Heathrow will have to be operating its third runway and Gatwick its second for years before "son of Maplin Sands" opens. If it were to open, with all its six parallel runways, Heathrow can be closed.
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Don't worry, I'm sure that when (more likely that 'if') he becomes PM he will be led into a dark room and shown a nice map of alternative airport schemes, all going through Tory strongholds.
Failing that 10 minutes with Big Gerald and his pet/friend/soulmate "Mr Truncheon" usually brings them around.
"We have ways of making you do what we want."
Failing that 10 minutes with Big Gerald and his pet/friend/soulmate "Mr Truncheon" usually brings them around.
"We have ways of making you do what we want."
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At least Cameron is consistant.
Unlike Robber Brown who has backed the 3rd runway and rqstd the EEC to drop their pollution laws for 5 years so it can go ahead, at the same time as backing a new tax to reduce the number of planes 'on environmental grounds'.
Anyway who thinks BAA will just have that third runway nice and empty for use as a bit of overspill. They wont just max it to capacity as soon as they can, no sirreee surely not. Given the new ways of the world in aviation, costs are going to severely reduce the number of planes in the sky anyway. Will it even be needed?
Unlike Robber Brown who has backed the 3rd runway and rqstd the EEC to drop their pollution laws for 5 years so it can go ahead, at the same time as backing a new tax to reduce the number of planes 'on environmental grounds'.
Anyway who thinks BAA will just have that third runway nice and empty for use as a bit of overspill. They wont just max it to capacity as soon as they can, no sirreee surely not. Given the new ways of the world in aviation, costs are going to severely reduce the number of planes in the sky anyway. Will it even be needed?
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Why not use Southend? Build a high speed rail link out there, maybe combine it with crossrail and send there all the stuff that was going to use the 3rd runway.
Then gradually build the new airport up as Heathrow is scaled down.
Then gradually build the new airport up as Heathrow is scaled down.
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Here's my take
Edit: SEN's catchment is 1/3 English Channel...
- Improve rail links into LHR with AirTrack and better connectivity from the west and northwest.
- Make LHR rebalance its landing fees so that smaller planes are further dissuaded from flying there.
- Create dedicated access and transitways for ground shuttles between LHR and LTN, if not a full blown light/heavy rail link
Edit: SEN's catchment is 1/3 English Channel...
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Folks - there is one BIG problem in building a new airport to the East of London....
Please remember that LHR is not JUST a London airport, but also serves as the main gateway for those of us in the South, Southwest, West, Wales and the Midlands...
How the hell would we get to Southend??
Please remember that LHR is not JUST a London airport, but also serves as the main gateway for those of us in the South, Southwest, West, Wales and the Midlands...
How the hell would we get to Southend??
If London airports only had to serve London travellers all would be fine. Unfortunately the centralising effect of airline economics leaves many outside London extremely ill served. Millions from the sticks have to treck, ever so reluctantly, to London airports for their flights every year. I am forty minutes from Birmingham and have been extremely dischuffed recently to find myself in Luton to get to Vienna, and LHR to get to Bucharest.