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With Jet2 starting LBA-ACE, is NCL next for an ACE route, judging how fast they are expanding at NCL?
New airline - ajet (formerly helios) will start charter flights for the summer, in place of usual HCY flights.
New airline - ajet (formerly helios) will start charter flights for the summer, in place of usual HCY flights.
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Miss Indie Skreet or What A Joke are not me, swear to god! even though what happened the other day may lead you to believe that
. I do think questions need to be asked as to why servisair are losing so many contracts but it is unfair to say that all of the managers hide away and are never seen. There are a few who do care and will help out. I wish swissport all the best for the summer but i do think they will struggle, servisair to with the loss of quite a large number of very good and experienced staff lately(management included)
. I am not looking forward to the summer if im still around
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. I do think questions need to be asked as to why servisair are losing so many contracts but it is unfair to say that all of the managers hide away and are never seen. There are a few who do care and will help out. I wish swissport all the best for the summer but i do think they will struggle, servisair to with the loss of quite a large number of very good and experienced staff lately(management included). I am not looking forward to the summer if im still around.
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It seems the summer charter programme is changing by the day.
MyTravel have replaced Monarch on sunday FAO and Karthago are operating sunday MIR service.
It also appears that NCL has lost its links to SKG and the new service to PVK has been cancelled. Kosmar Holidays, however are advertising ATH on their holiday search - direct from NCL.
MyTravel have replaced Monarch on sunday FAO and Karthago are operating sunday MIR service.
It also appears that NCL has lost its links to SKG and the new service to PVK has been cancelled. Kosmar Holidays, however are advertising ATH on their holiday search - direct from NCL.
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How about these for future developements at Newcastle? Just a few thoughts....
[LIST][*]Expanded charter flights to Eygpt, HRG, LXR etc, seen as SSH has proved so successful[*]New charter flights to Caribbean, Jamaica, Cancun etc, maybe even on a fortnightly basis[*]A greater, more diverse choice in the med, sicily, sardinia, eilat, more greek islands[*]New scheduled services to WAW, ZRH, FRA, LCA, ATH etc[*]A year round YYZ service, possibility of Zoom?[*]Greater frequency on DUS, CPH[*]A third handling agent at NCL, quite a lucrative opportunity there, judging by some comments
There were talks in the previous years of some of these ideas happening, but nothing seems to have come of it and as new destinations are being added, more often that not tour operators are pulling the plug without giving it a chance. Taba, Preveza, Cancun etc
[LIST][*]Expanded charter flights to Eygpt, HRG, LXR etc, seen as SSH has proved so successful[*]New charter flights to Caribbean, Jamaica, Cancun etc, maybe even on a fortnightly basis[*]A greater, more diverse choice in the med, sicily, sardinia, eilat, more greek islands[*]New scheduled services to WAW, ZRH, FRA, LCA, ATH etc[*]A year round YYZ service, possibility of Zoom?[*]Greater frequency on DUS, CPH[*]A third handling agent at NCL, quite a lucrative opportunity there, judging by some comments
There were talks in the previous years of some of these ideas happening, but nothing seems to have come of it and as new destinations are being added, more often that not tour operators are pulling the plug without giving it a chance. Taba, Preveza, Cancun etc
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Don't forget New York, more likely to be EWR now than JFK.
I would like to see more longer haul lo-cost...Greece, Turkey and the other two main Canary Islands.
There is definately a market for long haul charters...look at Sharm el sheik and Dominican Republic (despite the delays)....Cuba and one of the Carribean Islands is worth a go, plus Cancun.
2 x daily to CPN and 2 x daily to Dusseldorf plus Frankfurt and bring back Munich/Cologne or try Stuttgart.
I would like to see more longer haul lo-cost...Greece, Turkey and the other two main Canary Islands.
There is definately a market for long haul charters...look at Sharm el sheik and Dominican Republic (despite the delays)....Cuba and one of the Carribean Islands is worth a go, plus Cancun.
2 x daily to CPN and 2 x daily to Dusseldorf plus Frankfurt and bring back Munich/Cologne or try Stuttgart.
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Personally think NCL just about maxed out on new destinations, hope i'm wrong!. Quite a few new destinations being pulled before they started. Traditional bucket and spade destinations will continue to do well, as will city break, but i think thats it for now.
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I'd have to agree with CentreFix25, over the last few years NCL has seen tremendous growth especially from Lo-co's such as easyJet and Jet2.
Over the next few years I would expect some new routes, but I also expect growth to decrease slightly.
Possible new routes would be:
EWR - Continental 757
WAW - One of the Eastern European Lo-co's
And perhaps charter flights to Croatia, and Hurghada in Egypt.
Over the next few years I would expect some new routes, but I also expect growth to decrease slightly.
Possible new routes would be:
EWR - Continental 757
WAW - One of the Eastern European Lo-co's
And perhaps charter flights to Croatia, and Hurghada in Egypt.
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I believe many years ago routes to Morrocco and the former Yugoslavia, operated by the likes of RAM and Aviogenex/JAT used to do fairly well from NCL. Once again these destinations are proving to be up and coming with British holiday makers, so we could possibly see these reappearing in the NCL programme.
Maybe Flybe will start INV and Eastern start NWI as has been rumoured in the past.
Maybe Flybe will start INV and Eastern start NWI as has been rumoured in the past.
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Can anyone confirm if we have lost the Kosmar Holidays charters to Bodrum, Thessaloniki and Preveza? And is there going to be an ATH charter again this year?
Too many changes.........
Too many changes.........
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Originally Posted by GrahamK
I'd have to agree with CentreFix25, over the last few years NCL has seen tremendous growth especially from Lo-co's such as easyJet and Jet2.
Over the next few years I would expect some new routes, but I also expect growth to decrease slightly.
Possible new routes would be:
EWR - Continental 757
WAW - One of the Eastern European Lo-co's
And perhaps charter flights to Croatia, and Hurghada in Egypt.
Over the next few years I would expect some new routes, but I also expect growth to decrease slightly.
Possible new routes would be:
EWR - Continental 757
WAW - One of the Eastern European Lo-co's
And perhaps charter flights to Croatia, and Hurghada in Egypt.
However, IF! NCL could just get a NYC schedule then that's the only sound basis for the airport to go forward and look for significant growth.
The Loco's will have to work hard at keeping up pax volumes / load factors on many of the routes offered that lose the initial appeal as the years go by, particularly where they do not ofer a high re-vist appeal to punters. What you may find is simply destination switching, where new routes are offered at the expense of existing ones. You will always have the continued appeal of the traditional "sunshine" destinations, but others offered may have a more limited shelf life.
I've said it many times, two "key" routes needed to maintain a sound growth, obviously as said a Stateside link & one the other awy, opening an access to the Far East eliminating a European hub, DXB being the obvious choice as combines tourism, with a "one stop" journey down under.
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skyman771 yes last year all the sniping was at XLA, but there was reason for it, they did have alot of adverse delays, but on the other hand all airlines go through tough patches and lets hope XLA have a better year this year, which I do believe they will. There is good reason behind the heavy discussion regarding the handling agents, Servisair in particular. The reasons are plainly obvious in this forum, though we do not forget that what is said here is not the gospel and may well have been misinterpreted. None of us want to see a company failing.
On another note, was there not talk of EK starting a service to their DXB hub? The locos seem to have done their homework on NCL. I for one would not have though PRG, BUD, CIA, HAJ, TRF etc would have been viable out of NCL but it seems they are, sometimes on a less than daily frequency but they do work. Maybe some other routes 2/3 times per week could work, afterall regardless of how often it is greater choice for the consumer, greater financial benefits for the airport and region and sustained growth.
My wish.....Definately a transatlantic link, come on Continental!!!
On another note, was there not talk of EK starting a service to their DXB hub? The locos seem to have done their homework on NCL. I for one would not have though PRG, BUD, CIA, HAJ, TRF etc would have been viable out of NCL but it seems they are, sometimes on a less than daily frequency but they do work. Maybe some other routes 2/3 times per week could work, afterall regardless of how often it is greater choice for the consumer, greater financial benefits for the airport and region and sustained growth.
My wish.....Definately a transatlantic link, come on Continental!!!
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Really disappointing to see a number of Greek routes dropped, looks like KVA has been as well. I think this may be down to a lack of available a/c though, load factors on the SKG route especially are generally good if i'm correct.
The fact that ATH is in the bookings is interesting. I know a lot of tour operators are planning their S07 routes. I think SKG, KVA, PVK and VOL will be back in 07. Possibly JSI via KVA and ATH via VOL?
I think there is still room for more routes: Ryanair could do a midday DUB, as well as BGY, CCF, CRL, GRO, HHN, LDY, LTN, NOC, NYO, SNN, TRF, possibly a couple of others (Esbjerg/Haugesund/Riga or eastern European cities).
Easyjet could do ATH, HAM, MAD, VLC, and maybe a few of the new BRS destinations.
How about charters to AGA, AHO, BIA, CTA, CUN, DBV, HRG, JMK, LEI, PUY, SMI, SUF, TCP? I don't think MYT marketed DJE well enough, it could easily have worked!
Obviously DXB and NYC could be served.
The fact that ATH is in the bookings is interesting. I know a lot of tour operators are planning their S07 routes. I think SKG, KVA, PVK and VOL will be back in 07. Possibly JSI via KVA and ATH via VOL?
I think there is still room for more routes: Ryanair could do a midday DUB, as well as BGY, CCF, CRL, GRO, HHN, LDY, LTN, NOC, NYO, SNN, TRF, possibly a couple of others (Esbjerg/Haugesund/Riga or eastern European cities).
Easyjet could do ATH, HAM, MAD, VLC, and maybe a few of the new BRS destinations.
How about charters to AGA, AHO, BIA, CTA, CUN, DBV, HRG, JMK, LEI, PUY, SMI, SUF, TCP? I don't think MYT marketed DJE well enough, it could easily have worked!
Obviously DXB and NYC could be served.
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As far as I was aware Volos was dropped as the aircraft that usually did JSI/VOL on a fri morning is now doing JSI/KVA. It does however, surprise me that SKG was dropped as Halkidiki was always very popular, with several tour operators sharing the same flight. Infact Thomson used to operate this route, but dropped it a few years back. Quite often I think it would be a good idea to operate 'double-drops' to some of the greek airports, like JSI/KVA etc, then there would be alot of choice on offer.
Charters to the likes of HRG, DBV, TCP, CUN, AGA etc would I personally think, work on the condition they were marketed in the best way. These places are now up and coming, with holidaymakers starting to look for different places to go, and quite often people are not FR's loco routes are probably too niche for NCL, though I am shocked that MAD, VCE, VLC and HHN have not yet started from NCL, by easy/ryan etc.
Whatever happened to FlyBe's proposed expansion at NCL?
Goldtrail Holidays have cut their Turkish flights to 2 per week and are chartering LTE to operate a thu night PMI. Both DLM and BJV are operating on fridays now.
Flyjet = Swissport, another large all year round contract gained.
Charters to the likes of HRG, DBV, TCP, CUN, AGA etc would I personally think, work on the condition they were marketed in the best way. These places are now up and coming, with holidaymakers starting to look for different places to go, and quite often people are not FR's loco routes are probably too niche for NCL, though I am shocked that MAD, VCE, VLC and HHN have not yet started from NCL, by easy/ryan etc.
Whatever happened to FlyBe's proposed expansion at NCL?
Goldtrail Holidays have cut their Turkish flights to 2 per week and are chartering LTE to operate a thu night PMI. Both DLM and BJV are operating on fridays now.
Flyjet = Swissport, another large all year round contract gained.
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I think maybe you are being a bit negative here.....with good marketing and the right prices a lot of destinations can be made to work. There are some examples in a previous post.
I think there are a lot of new places, currently not on offer, that NCL area people would like to visit.
Other than the short trip market there must be some business destinations not covered and presently requiring a change of aircraft.
I think maybe you are being a bit negative here.....with good marketing and the right prices a lot of destinations can be made to work. There are some examples in a previous post.
I think there are a lot of new places, currently not on offer, that NCL area people would like to visit.
Other than the short trip market there must be some business destinations not covered and presently requiring a change of aircraft.
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Its almost certain that there will be no new scheduled routes announced for this summer. Its to late with the summer schedules starting in just a couple of weeks time. Would it be correct to say that the new routes starting soon will be almost cancelled out by the reduction in frequency of some existing flights. ie Heathrow -9 flts per week, Milan -4 flts per week, Jersey -5 flts per week, Belfast city -12 flts per week, thats a total of 30 per week(60 returns)when compared with summer 2005. Oh I forgot about the reduced HLX German service, cant remember the details but that must be another 5 per week making the total 35 (70 returns)
Does anyone have the info and numbers for the new routes that counteract these losses ?.
I think when the winter schedules come out we may find some existing routes may be dropped for the winter in favour of perhaps more ski destinations.
We may get Easyjet no 7 Next summer(2007) to Madrid and Venice or its quite possible that these routes replace some existing ones with just 6 aircraft. Perhaps the Thomsonfly schedules and increased activity by B M I baby at Teeside are having an effect on some of Easyjets routes out of NCL.
Regarding charters we do seem to be loosing quite a few this year. but surley next summer must see the re introduction of Pula, Split and Dubrovnik.
In the 70s we had I think about 7 per week to these destinations, they were very popular using JAT, Adria and Avoigenex( B707 727 732 733 DC9 and TU134a) I know loads of people who woukl like flights to these places from NCL.
Does anyone have the info and numbers for the new routes that counteract these losses ?.
I think when the winter schedules come out we may find some existing routes may be dropped for the winter in favour of perhaps more ski destinations.
We may get Easyjet no 7 Next summer(2007) to Madrid and Venice or its quite possible that these routes replace some existing ones with just 6 aircraft. Perhaps the Thomsonfly schedules and increased activity by B M I baby at Teeside are having an effect on some of Easyjets routes out of NCL.
Regarding charters we do seem to be loosing quite a few this year. but surley next summer must see the re introduction of Pula, Split and Dubrovnik.
In the 70s we had I think about 7 per week to these destinations, they were very popular using JAT, Adria and Avoigenex( B707 727 732 733 DC9 and TU134a) I know loads of people who woukl like flights to these places from NCL.