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I was one of the many re-booked from Manchester this winter for Adadir and I agree the marketing is the problem, my travel agent had no idea about the place! But what a great destination we had a great time, it would make a very good year round destination from NCL if the tour operators could get it right.
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The press release on Eastern's website also says 3 x daily but neither the timetable page nor the route map have been updated. I think it will be amended pretty quickly. Air Wales were planning to go 3 daily from June before the announcement.
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nclbase are you able to shed any light on the expansion by Mytravel? Which long hauls are under discussion, Cancun, Mombasa, Santa Domingo? And why would it be a 747 and not a MYT 767 or A330 or even chartered out to MON? Surely an aircraft of this size would be more economical than a jumbo, besides a fully laiden (fuel, pax and baggage) from NCL??????
AIH849 your comment on Servisair, saying they are loosing control is a little unfair. True, their service has deteriorated recently, but it must be hard for handling agents to hire qualified, dedicated staff when they pay 5.20 per hour roughly. There are many things Servisair need to improve on, as do Swissport before airlines will hand over valuable business. They are the airlines reps, in the event that the airline does not have their own reps on station. Personally, TCX and XLA have a good idea, positioning their own employed staff at airports. You soon notice how on the ball handling agents are.
AIH849 your comment on Servisair, saying they are loosing control is a little unfair. True, their service has deteriorated recently, but it must be hard for handling agents to hire qualified, dedicated staff when they pay 5.20 per hour roughly. There are many things Servisair need to improve on, as do Swissport before airlines will hand over valuable business. They are the airlines reps, in the event that the airline does not have their own reps on station. Personally, TCX and XLA have a good idea, positioning their own employed staff at airports. You soon notice how on the ball handling agents are.
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Originally Posted by transwede
nclbase are you able to shed any light on the expansion by Mytravel? Which long hauls are under discussion, Cancun, Mombasa, Santa Domingo? And why would it be a 747 and not a MYT 767 or A330 or even chartered out to MON? Surely an aircraft of this size would be more economical than a jumbo, besides a fully laiden (fuel, pax and baggage) from NCL??????
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NCL is a fairly small market compared with the likes of MAN and LGW, but that does not mean to say long haul charters will not work. They very well could be successful given the right marketing and right use of equipment. A 747 is a bit much, indeed Travelcity cancelled their jumbo service to SFB. Maybe a 767 is the right size to use, economical and can operate relatively unrestricted from NCL with a full payload to the Caribbean etc. I must admit that Thomson have been quite often instrumental in opening up the charter network at NCL and am surprised they are not looking at future long haul possibilities, why also did they stop selling TCP and Cancun?
I still say, as well as long haul in the summer, it is also needed in the winter. There used to be Orlando operated by Airtours International in the winter, which was always full. Canada is another possibility.
Is EEZ still operating a regular charter to NAP or is it just a one-off?
I still say, as well as long haul in the summer, it is also needed in the winter. There used to be Orlando operated by Airtours International in the winter, which was always full. Canada is another possibility.
Is EEZ still operating a regular charter to NAP or is it just a one-off?
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Talking about NCL needing a larger variety of destinations, does anyone think that this summer the market for certain destinations has been flooded by the locos and charters?
Take ALC, bearing in mind most charter companies offer seat only fares, as well as the loco carriers,
Easyjet 9 flights per week
Thomsonfly 5 flights per week
Other charters 6 flights per week, in addition to
Jet2.com's 7 MJV flights per week, which also can be used for the ALC area.
Palma
Easyjet, 8 flights per week
Thomsonfly, 8 flights per week
Other charters, 6 flights per week.
Both Malaga and Ibiza are much the same, surely, lets take ALC, can roughly 4200 seats per week be filled? Same with PMI, though even more seats?
Take ALC, bearing in mind most charter companies offer seat only fares, as well as the loco carriers,
Easyjet 9 flights per week
Thomsonfly 5 flights per week
Other charters 6 flights per week, in addition to
Jet2.com's 7 MJV flights per week, which also can be used for the ALC area.
Palma
Easyjet, 8 flights per week
Thomsonfly, 8 flights per week
Other charters, 6 flights per week.
Both Malaga and Ibiza are much the same, surely, lets take ALC, can roughly 4200 seats per week be filled? Same with PMI, though even more seats?
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Well if you look at ALC from LBA, we have:
14 flights a week from Jet2 Boeing 737-300 (Which could also be upgraded to a 757 if needed)
7 flights a week from Jet2 to Murcia Boeing 737-300 (Also could be 757)
1 Thomsonfly 757 a week to ALC, and one Astraeus 737-700 to ALC.
So look at it that way, if LBA can shift roughly 3200 (Could be more if 757 used,) seats, then surely NCL can shift roughly 4200?
And looking at Palma from LBA:
14 flights a week from Jet2 737-300 (Apparantly MAN-PMI will be operated by a 75', so would probably expect a 757 to be used from LBA)
3 flights a week from Thomsonfly 757
1 flight a week from Astraeus 73G, Air Europa 738, Futura 738 and Spanair MD83.
So thats looking at around 3500 seats a week, and thats without a 757 been used with Jet2!
Regional airports really seem to be able to fill the capacity on these sorts of routes.
14 flights a week from Jet2 Boeing 737-300 (Which could also be upgraded to a 757 if needed)
7 flights a week from Jet2 to Murcia Boeing 737-300 (Also could be 757)
1 Thomsonfly 757 a week to ALC, and one Astraeus 737-700 to ALC.
So look at it that way, if LBA can shift roughly 3200 (Could be more if 757 used,) seats, then surely NCL can shift roughly 4200?
And looking at Palma from LBA:
14 flights a week from Jet2 737-300 (Apparantly MAN-PMI will be operated by a 75', so would probably expect a 757 to be used from LBA)
3 flights a week from Thomsonfly 757
1 flight a week from Astraeus 73G, Air Europa 738, Futura 738 and Spanair MD83.
So thats looking at around 3500 seats a week, and thats without a 757 been used with Jet2!
Regional airports really seem to be able to fill the capacity on these sorts of routes.
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Costa Blanca and Majorca are two of the most popular tourist destinations for short breaks and holidays, Costa Blanca has a huge amount of ex pats or 2nd homes/holiday homes buyers too. There is certainley demand I woulkd say 1 in 4 enquiries I get at work are for Benidorm or Majorca.
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Ok, just my mind working overtime.
Anyone else realise Air Scotland making a return to NCL? Wed evening departure to PMI at 2030!
XLA's leased MD83 will also appear, as it seems the 737-400 a/c does not arrive until mid-may so other a/c from the fleet are being used.
Anyone else realise Air Scotland making a return to NCL? Wed evening departure to PMI at 2030!
XLA's leased MD83 will also appear, as it seems the 737-400 a/c does not arrive until mid-may so other a/c from the fleet are being used.
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Pure speculation but assuming Eastern's new Cardiff route uses a new NCL based aircraft, operating at 3 rotations daily, would this leave a gap for a flight to a new destination i.e. Inverness plus additional opportunities at the weekend.
A similar situation took place at Leeds which led to an INV service.
A similar situation took place at Leeds which led to an INV service.
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I was under the impression that T3 were to operate the CWL flight, initially with only two flights daily, which does mean that the extra J41 that is going to be based will have free time to start additional services, possibly to a new destination with NWI and INV long speculated. It could however, be used as a spare aircraft or to up frequency on an existing route.
heslop2006 I think for the time being atleast that we will see consolidation on route expansion, atleast until the winter or next summers schedules. Over the past 18 months or so NCL has seen its biggest ever route expansion. From this forum alone I think it will be next summer, particularly on the charter side that we will see some new routes. The same old routes and rumours keep coming up again and again.
On another note, does anyone know which ground handling agent has gained the Flyjet contract for definite. Each agent is saying it is them at the minute.
And when does the self service multi-airline check in start at NCL? Thomsonfly, KLM, Air France have all signed up for the trials.
Not sure if anyone has mentioned it, but SN Brussels are to no longer nightstop an a/c at NCL and are reducing frequency to 2 x daily.
heslop2006 I think for the time being atleast that we will see consolidation on route expansion, atleast until the winter or next summers schedules. Over the past 18 months or so NCL has seen its biggest ever route expansion. From this forum alone I think it will be next summer, particularly on the charter side that we will see some new routes. The same old routes and rumours keep coming up again and again.
On another note, does anyone know which ground handling agent has gained the Flyjet contract for definite. Each agent is saying it is them at the minute.
And when does the self service multi-airline check in start at NCL? Thomsonfly, KLM, Air France have all signed up for the trials.
Not sure if anyone has mentioned it, but SN Brussels are to no longer nightstop an a/c at NCL and are reducing frequency to 2 x daily.
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It does actually say on Eastern's website that it will operate a 3 x daily service on NCL - Cardiff although on the booking page it only shows 2 flights.
No map or timetable yet though.
It does actually say on Eastern's website that it will operate a 3 x daily service on NCL - Cardiff although on the booking page it only shows 2 flights.
No map or timetable yet though.