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Go get a life man, you do have such a sense of humour caused by catching something that comes from knowing to many sisters. Do hope mine gave you a good dose of it.
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Go get a life man, you do have such a sense of humour caused by catching something that comes from knowing to many sisters. Do hope mine gave you a good dose of it.
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Virgin Nigeria, etc...
I chatted briefly with a local pilot who told me he had just been on a simulator check for hiring with Virgin Nigeria. This was in the queue to board VS651 to Lagos. I fell asleep before I had a chance to go back to Cattle Class and ask him for any details, though...
Today I heard from a well-connected source that the Virgin Nigeria pay is around $2,500 USD/month for new hires, which seems incredibly low. That's just third-hand, but I had heard something similar before.
The Aero 737 should finally be here in just a few more days, along with two more Dash 8s. All sorts of new destinations, which should shake up the market a little bit.
Today I heard from a well-connected source that the Virgin Nigeria pay is around $2,500 USD/month for new hires, which seems incredibly low. That's just third-hand, but I had heard something similar before.
The Aero 737 should finally be here in just a few more days, along with two more Dash 8s. All sorts of new destinations, which should shake up the market a little bit.
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Hi Chuks
See your still in the Wild, Wild West, heard your mate made PIC good on him. The salaries you quoted for VK seems correct, I heard the same too. It will not encourage the very best to leave GA and join VK. VK will be one of the lowest paid operators in the country. Gosh what a start. I will question anyones loyalty if they accept the wages as they are. A nice A340/B733 type rating will go down well thank you very much. Just look at the number of jobs advertised in FI.
Keep fit, are you still flying the D3@@J?
See your still in the Wild, Wild West, heard your mate made PIC good on him. The salaries you quoted for VK seems correct, I heard the same too. It will not encourage the very best to leave GA and join VK. VK will be one of the lowest paid operators in the country. Gosh what a start. I will question anyones loyalty if they accept the wages as they are. A nice A340/B733 type rating will go down well thank you very much. Just look at the number of jobs advertised in FI.
Keep fit, are you still flying the D3@@J?
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Hey Oyindo, I think it must be mistaken identity......... otherwise you wouldn't have responded as churlishly as you did, you'd have understood what I meant by my knowing your sister. If that sounds Irish it is because Irish has a lot to do with it.
Are you guys looking only at the Basic pay without including flight pay and other extra's?
I have to disagree that high pay brings loyalty. It might bring pilots who can't afford to move on, who then get bitter at feeling trapped and become bored and disruptive. If you don't think that is so just look at the BA pilots, some of the best paid anywhere in the world but plenty of them are degree quality whingers.
Good to see Aero expanding; nice guys at Aero.
Are you guys looking only at the Basic pay without including flight pay and other extra's?
I have to disagree that high pay brings loyalty. It might bring pilots who can't afford to move on, who then get bitter at feeling trapped and become bored and disruptive. If you don't think that is so just look at the BA pilots, some of the best paid anywhere in the world but plenty of them are degree quality whingers.
Good to see Aero expanding; nice guys at Aero.
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It could be that I am missing some details about the pay but I was told that was the remuneration. Perhaps there is some extra per hour, per landing or whatever.
Who doesn't think that high pay buys loyalty? I have been where I am for over ten years, despite almost getting shot on the way to work, catching malaria, having to work with moaning Brits, being periodically overworked, understimulated, annoyed, bored, moan, moan, moan... when I just look at the money piling up which goes to pay for all sorts of useful things in the five months off per annum. You think I would have stuck around for a lot less money? Umm, because I like work, or what? Nah, it's the pay (and the time off), stupid!
I have a brother-in-law who is in banking in New York. He lives on Gramercy Park, where Thierry Mugler is his upstairs neighbour, so cue gaping looks of admiration from yokels such as me... until we come to the subject of 'how much time off?' He told me that he gets a big four weeks per annum but cannot take all of it due to the pressures of work. I worked it out on my pocket calculator and I reckon that he must live to be 108 years old in order to catch up with me when it comes to running around on the loose having fun, even if that is just kicking pigeons in Trafalgar Square. So go figure...
Yes, you do get to a point where the money and the time off begin to seem not enough relative to living in a rotten, dangerous place doing a boring job, say. It is a lot more efficient to ensure loyalty by giving people stimulating work in a good environment but if the job sucks then throw money at the workers. Check out how much a garbage-man in New York City makes, for instance. (I don't have the figures at my fingertips, but it is a lot!)
Who doesn't think that high pay buys loyalty? I have been where I am for over ten years, despite almost getting shot on the way to work, catching malaria, having to work with moaning Brits, being periodically overworked, understimulated, annoyed, bored, moan, moan, moan... when I just look at the money piling up which goes to pay for all sorts of useful things in the five months off per annum. You think I would have stuck around for a lot less money? Umm, because I like work, or what? Nah, it's the pay (and the time off), stupid!
I have a brother-in-law who is in banking in New York. He lives on Gramercy Park, where Thierry Mugler is his upstairs neighbour, so cue gaping looks of admiration from yokels such as me... until we come to the subject of 'how much time off?' He told me that he gets a big four weeks per annum but cannot take all of it due to the pressures of work. I worked it out on my pocket calculator and I reckon that he must live to be 108 years old in order to catch up with me when it comes to running around on the loose having fun, even if that is just kicking pigeons in Trafalgar Square. So go figure...
Yes, you do get to a point where the money and the time off begin to seem not enough relative to living in a rotten, dangerous place doing a boring job, say. It is a lot more efficient to ensure loyalty by giving people stimulating work in a good environment but if the job sucks then throw money at the workers. Check out how much a garbage-man in New York City makes, for instance. (I don't have the figures at my fingertips, but it is a lot!)
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think it must be mistaken identity......... otherwise you wouldn't have responded as churlishly as you did, you'd have understood what I meant by my knowing your sister.
The tone of your reply was not just cricket. We Nigerians don’t take kindly to churlish remarks made about our siblings, the level of intelligence or aspirations. You don’t know me, the assumption that you did, forced me to play defensively on the back foot and just for your information I know a lot more about aviation in Nigeria than you give me credit for.
The whole package including all allowances offered by VK is not befitting of a flag carrier.
Good pay, terms and conditions is the first step to loyalty and retention. Ones earning power comes first then the type of aircraft a distant second. Pilots start becoming wingers as soon as the bean counters start eroding the T&C’s. It started at Big Airways with the loss of the cheese tray. I am an advocate for the very best airline for my beloved country and hope that VK will be just that, second best will not do. I feel that VK really needs to get it right first time. We have been disappointed too many times.
Aero has built such a reliable and dependable operation, the travelling public are rewarding them with their loyalty. Do you know how many aero pilots even bothered to give VK a look in? A hand full only. Aero has one of the best retention rates in the industry and that surely has come from their very good T&C’s.
Who doesn't think that high pay buys loyalty? I have been where I am for over ten years, despite almost getting shot on the way to work, catching malaria, having to work with moaning Brits, being periodically overworked, understimulated, annoyed, bored, moan, moan, moan... when I just look at the money piling up which goes to pay for all sorts of useful things in the five months off per annum. You think I would have stuck around for a lot less money? Umm, because I like work, or what? Nah, it's the pay (and the time off), stupid!
Well said and every word true
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Guys,
Worry not!
The airplanes will be delivered from the easy jet fleet with one coming from US Air in october @ one a month.
The pay as you have almost correctly quoted IS sh!T.
Well. what goes around,surely comes around!
VK will end up eventually with a high turn over of crew.
The type ratings are the only reason our pilots are even
contemplating the offer!
There is no bond, so it's every man for himself when the majic 500hrs is hit.
We wish them all luck though.
Worry not!
The airplanes will be delivered from the easy jet fleet with one coming from US Air in october @ one a month.
The pay as you have almost correctly quoted IS sh!T.
Well. what goes around,surely comes around!
VK will end up eventually with a high turn over of crew.
The type ratings are the only reason our pilots are even
contemplating the offer!
There is no bond, so it's every man for himself when the majic 500hrs is hit.
We wish them all luck though.
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Hub Operation?
A friend recently flew LHR-ACC via Lagos on VK. He said that in ACC, VK didn’t give him his boarding pass for LHR flight, he had to clear customs in LOS and re-check in.
Not very friendly for a hub operation ! Also transfer facilities are inexistant, so pax can only stare at the wall. I hope this is temporary. Can somone plz comment, thanks.
Not very friendly for a hub operation ! Also transfer facilities are inexistant, so pax can only stare at the wall. I hope this is temporary. Can somone plz comment, thanks.
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Virgin Nigeria launch and developments
The Game is on,folks are now geting calls from home to come for interviews at different airlines,as against lobbying for jobs at the lobby and the corridors of different airlines.Thank God for Virgin Nigeria.It now seems people who have gotten jobs earlier might start having a rethink on working at some other airline.
Hmmmm!the patient dog does get the fattest bone.
All the best homies!!!!
Hmmmm!the patient dog does get the fattest bone.
All the best homies!!!!
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{Quote}
"The type ratings are the only reason our pilots are even
contemplating the offer!
There is no bond, so it's every man for himself when the majic 500hrs is hit."
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"Hmmmm!the patient dog does get the fattest bone."
"The type ratings are the only reason our pilots are even
contemplating the offer!
There is no bond, so it's every man for himself when the majic 500hrs is hit."
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"Hmmmm!the patient dog does get the fattest bone."
I am told that different systems at ACC and LOS prevent the onward boarding card being issued. Situation to be resolved soon.
Lagos is improving and as soon as the control authorities agree that Int-Int pax do nor need to land at Lagos it will be easier.
The product is still very new, FAAN haven't yet completed all the work that they said they would. It has already improved, and will continue to be refined. At least Dom - Int pax don't have to fight though the scrum at the Domestic terminal before grabbing (or being grabbed) a taxi to the International.
Lagos is improving and as soon as the control authorities agree that Int-Int pax do nor need to land at Lagos it will be easier.
The product is still very new, FAAN haven't yet completed all the work that they said they would. It has already improved, and will continue to be refined. At least Dom - Int pax don't have to fight though the scrum at the Domestic terminal before grabbing (or being grabbed) a taxi to the International.
where I am at the moment things is very good indeed Rani 
All the reports I get are that the VK pay scales are very competitive when the whole package is considered, but I do not know the detail so who knows. It is entirely possible knowing pprune that those slagging the terms off have their own agendas for trying to dissuade pilots applying to VK.
Ignore all of us guys and gals, the only way to find out who is right is to get a job with VK I guess.
The uniform is the best I have seen in years, the designer did a great job.
All the reports I get are that the VK pay scales are very competitive when the whole package is considered, but I do not know the detail so who knows. It is entirely possible knowing pprune that those slagging the terms off have their own agendas for trying to dissuade pilots applying to VK.
Ignore all of us guys and gals, the only way to find out who is right is to get a job with VK I guess.
The uniform is the best I have seen in years, the designer did a great job.
hey Rev, good to see you posting again!! Back where you can repay the favour on Monday so Y Not 
Tried to call u today but you were unavailable, obviously working too hard for a change!!
Tried to call u today but you were unavailable, obviously working too hard for a change!!
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Hi there,
Sorry mate been on late night sessions at Alteon, and tonight too. so try in the mornings or give gail a call, just spoke to her.
And me just two doors away from her.
Zaz
PS: Spoke to Don last night seems like they had a bird thing but back home now.
Sorry mate been on late night sessions at Alteon, and tonight too. so try in the mornings or give gail a call, just spoke to her.
And me just two doors away from her.
Zaz
PS: Spoke to Don last night seems like they had a bird thing but back home now.
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It is entirely possible knowing pprune that those slagging the terms off have their own agendas for trying to dissuade pilots applying to VK.
Ignore all of us guys and gals, the only way to find out who is right is to get a job with VK I guess.
All the reports I get are that the VK pay scales are very competitive when the whole package is considered
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