View Poll Results: Do you speak Afrikaans?
I am a professional aviator and I speak Afrikaans
128
56.89%
I am NOT a professional aviator and I speak Afrikaans
14
6.22%
I am NOT a professional aviator and I do NOT speak Afrikaans
15
6.67%
I am a professional aviator and I do NOT speak Afrikaans
63
28.00%
I don't care one way or another about professional aviation or Afrikaans
5
2.22%
Voters: 225. This poll is closed
Afrikaans Professional Pilot
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Maxbert, obviously around by invitation from up top are ya?
The point being - Don't advertise it, sell it, put it on the floor and pretend it's going to work before you can proof it's working. The thread is up - is it a poll or a poof? Most Afrikaans PPruners are going to laugh at the feeble attempt to proof a point anyway after a backlash of some sorts was sufferred by the owners. Anyway, who cares about PPrune, it died in the hearts of many. From you, somebody who, according to the mods should be associated with "Professional Aviation" I think the aforesaid should be natural.
The Boss's of this site (including the mods) did say a lot of things...most of which I don't want to elaboratre on...but bless their pure bred pureness in insulting so called regfugees and strays. Did not take the "pure-breds" long to step in did it? By invitation I guess...to make the African forum "look" alive!
By the way, my name is SHARALUMI and not Shar (or Char from Charmaine like the one who does the beat on the street corner close to your place it seems).
The point being - Don't advertise it, sell it, put it on the floor and pretend it's going to work before you can proof it's working. The thread is up - is it a poll or a poof? Most Afrikaans PPruners are going to laugh at the feeble attempt to proof a point anyway after a backlash of some sorts was sufferred by the owners. Anyway, who cares about PPrune, it died in the hearts of many. From you, somebody who, according to the mods should be associated with "Professional Aviation" I think the aforesaid should be natural.
The Boss's of this site (including the mods) did say a lot of things...most of which I don't want to elaboratre on...but bless their pure bred pureness in insulting so called regfugees and strays. Did not take the "pure-breds" long to step in did it? By invitation I guess...to make the African forum "look" alive!
By the way, my name is SHARALUMI and not Shar (or Char from Charmaine like the one who does the beat on the street corner close to your place it seems).
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YE GODS! 
I WILL apologise for the incorrect use of your name, Sharalumi-
I won't qualify the rest- I'm outta here.
BTW Ik ben geen Afrikaner, ik praat wel Nederlands, dus ben ik niet helemaal out of order hier...
If you can tweak a website / forum at the drop of a hat, then I take my hat off to you!
I WILL apologise for the incorrect use of your name, Sharalumi-
I won't qualify the rest- I'm outta here.
BTW Ik ben geen Afrikaner, ik praat wel Nederlands, dus ben ik niet helemaal out of order hier...
If you can tweak a website / forum at the drop of a hat, then I take my hat off to you!
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I have this to say: Even the souties in the middle east speak afrikaans to each other this is a lekker way to communicate without being understood by the rest of the crowd, sort of our little secret ! Afrikaans bo!
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Danny,
Fair enough. Thanks for setting it out. I am not an aviator and if the Afrikaans forum does not meet your requirements then it must go. The greater good of having PPRuNe, must win.
Thanks as always.
Fair enough. Thanks for setting it out. I am not an aviator and if the Afrikaans forum does not meet your requirements then it must go. The greater good of having PPRuNe, must win.
Thanks as always.
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I'm sure old PAXboy would'nt say that so easily if it was English being banned.
Imagine if I said, for the good of the world or so and so, English has to go.
What "Koning Rose Toring" doesn't seem to understand is that the being able to communicate in Afrikaans is a very emosional issue to most Afrikaans speaking people especially since we also have a goverment that is hell bent on tying to eradicate it from history. The English tried it once and failed and now our affirmative goverment is giving it a try. They will all fail. Afrikaans will never lie down and die.
To the man in the tower, it would be wise to treat this issue a lot more delicately as you cannot imagine or will ever understand how sensitive an issue it is.
Imagine if I said, for the good of the world or so and so, English has to go.
What "Koning Rose Toring" doesn't seem to understand is that the being able to communicate in Afrikaans is a very emosional issue to most Afrikaans speaking people especially since we also have a goverment that is hell bent on tying to eradicate it from history. The English tried it once and failed and now our affirmative goverment is giving it a try. They will all fail. Afrikaans will never lie down and die.
To the man in the tower, it would be wise to treat this issue a lot more delicately as you cannot imagine or will ever understand how sensitive an issue it is.
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I was going to say, this issue is quite emotional because it mirrors certain aspects of our country. I'm not Afrikaans (although my better half is), but I empathise with them on this one, and tend to stand with them on many other issues as well.
To the similarities: This vote, while noble and democratic perhaps, mirrors the 'democracy' in South Africa, ie there just aren't enough Afrikaans voters to make a difference! Hence the seeming apathy regarding voting both here at home, and perhaps on this forum.
Secondly, as mentioned above, this isn't the first time somebody tries to get their language banned/squeezed out - only those who have had this happen to them can perhaps understand.
Like many African species though, Afrikaaners are a hardy bunch. I have no doubt they will survive.
To the similarities: This vote, while noble and democratic perhaps, mirrors the 'democracy' in South Africa, ie there just aren't enough Afrikaans voters to make a difference! Hence the seeming apathy regarding voting both here at home, and perhaps on this forum.
Secondly, as mentioned above, this isn't the first time somebody tries to get their language banned/squeezed out - only those who have had this happen to them can perhaps understand.
Like many African species though, Afrikaaners are a hardy bunch. I have no doubt they will survive.
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To Uncle Danny
Uncle Danny this is from my father. he is banned and askd me to post this for him.
bye guns jnr
bye guns jnr
Danny you did not give me a chance to respond before banning me. I therefore make us of my son.
The thread that remains on Africa Aviation was threre in anger after PPRUNE TOWERS (Rob Llloyd) behaved badly and made us to feel inferior humans speaking a different language on the Campfire.
His arrogance against our language was and will not be taken lightly.
I have and never had any problem with PPRUNE until the stupid idea was taken to ban Afrikaans.
Instead of telling us - slow down or whatever - just a tad more diplomacy would have been nice.
So Jetdriver feels inferior because he can not speak the wonderful language and report this to the superiors.
Instead of getting a capable person you chose just to ban us. At least two of us has offered our services to help you out and we would have done it with pleasure.
To make matters more confusing you start a poll that was closed (just opened now) 280 hits and now it is only open ... so possibly 280 people trying to vote and it is closed. So much for democracy ?
I just voted (you did not ban me completey I see) and as it is now 10 is Professional Afrikaans Aviators and 9 is English ... makes you think doesn't it ?
Danny you banned me because I put a link on your web site re mine ...YOU and ROB said search for another one ... I just made it easy for you to get rid of us and for your failthful PPRUNERS to make an easy exit to another home. That is all.
Last but not least : If memory serves me correct : We only had THREE - yes THREE to a maximum FIVE threads on The CampFire ... 2 of them Afrikaans jokes and the other the Afrikaans kakpraat thread (talking sheit around a fire).
The latter thread was mostly about recipes of barbeques ... mate I am sure you where ill - informed by the " I feel inferior jetdriver" .
4 HP is and was a regular poster their and enjoyed it as he understands our culture and beliefs of sitting around a fire and talking k@k.
I say again : The arrogant post(s) of Rob led to some people feeling like they feel and therefore the responses you got on African Aviation after the Campfire was closed.
You will also find a thread with 55 posts of people regular readers that gave a thumbs up for Afrikaans.
Have a look at my PM's and you will find 4 from your own moderators giving us a salute ... makes you think hey Danny ?
We are not here to fight - we are peaceloving beerdrinkers. What we do not like is the absolute arrogance of people like Jetdriver and PPRUNE TOWERS for degrading our language and our people. We do not like that.
Go well and enjoy PPRUNE without my 8-9 years of contributions and cut's and pastes. For those that remain - please give them a little pleasure on PPRUNE - they are after all by far the most that grace the skies over Africa ! And a lot of them know what they talk about !
Cheers,
Gunsss
The thread that remains on Africa Aviation was threre in anger after PPRUNE TOWERS (Rob Llloyd) behaved badly and made us to feel inferior humans speaking a different language on the Campfire.
His arrogance against our language was and will not be taken lightly.
I have and never had any problem with PPRUNE until the stupid idea was taken to ban Afrikaans.
Instead of telling us - slow down or whatever - just a tad more diplomacy would have been nice.
So Jetdriver feels inferior because he can not speak the wonderful language and report this to the superiors.
Instead of getting a capable person you chose just to ban us. At least two of us has offered our services to help you out and we would have done it with pleasure.
To make matters more confusing you start a poll that was closed (just opened now) 280 hits and now it is only open ... so possibly 280 people trying to vote and it is closed. So much for democracy ?
I just voted (you did not ban me completey I see) and as it is now 10 is Professional Afrikaans Aviators and 9 is English ... makes you think doesn't it ?
Danny you banned me because I put a link on your web site re mine ...YOU and ROB said search for another one ... I just made it easy for you to get rid of us and for your failthful PPRUNERS to make an easy exit to another home. That is all.
Last but not least : If memory serves me correct : We only had THREE - yes THREE to a maximum FIVE threads on The CampFire ... 2 of them Afrikaans jokes and the other the Afrikaans kakpraat thread (talking sheit around a fire).
The latter thread was mostly about recipes of barbeques ... mate I am sure you where ill - informed by the " I feel inferior jetdriver" .
4 HP is and was a regular poster their and enjoyed it as he understands our culture and beliefs of sitting around a fire and talking k@k.
I say again : The arrogant post(s) of Rob led to some people feeling like they feel and therefore the responses you got on African Aviation after the Campfire was closed.
You will also find a thread with 55 posts of people regular readers that gave a thumbs up for Afrikaans.
Have a look at my PM's and you will find 4 from your own moderators giving us a salute ... makes you think hey Danny ?
We are not here to fight - we are peaceloving beerdrinkers. What we do not like is the absolute arrogance of people like Jetdriver and PPRUNE TOWERS for degrading our language and our people. We do not like that.
Go well and enjoy PPRUNE without my 8-9 years of contributions and cut's and pastes. For those that remain - please give them a little pleasure on PPRUNE - they are after all by far the most that grace the skies over Africa ! And a lot of them know what they talk about !
Cheers,
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Well said Gunns. Well it looks like I'll be able to remove PPRuNe of my Favourites list and replace it with a Forum more suited to my needs.Thanks for putting it out there Gunns. I was getting tired of the "twee gatgeid" of the Tower Man anyway. Screams fairness and tolerance when it suits him and but has no problem discriminating when he wants to. Looking down on a person (and this really seems to be his attitude) because of his/her language is not different to discrimination because of race. "Wat die hart van vol is. loop die mond van oor" What's really in the heart of a man is what comes out of his mouth, or fingers in this case.
Let the "Holier than Thou" man in the Ivory Tower think about that one while he drinks his tea.
Let the "Holier than Thou" man in the Ivory Tower think about that one while he drinks his tea.
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African Aviation
Guys
We have all enjoyed the privilege, and it is a privilege, of useing this forum. Now that the rules are being changed
it is clear that a new African site need be formed.
So we must do that and not go on about it here. As many of you have stated, no one knows what it feels like to be discriminated against until it actually happens to you!:sad: Believe me I know what that feels like
The greatest man who ever walked this planet said "Forgive them for they know not what they do"
I will be staying on Pprune, if I may, but I will also be joining you on the new site when I find you
Cheers and go well to you all
Lionco
We have all enjoyed the privilege, and it is a privilege, of useing this forum. Now that the rules are being changed
it is clear that a new African site need be formed.So we must do that and not go on about it here. As many of you have stated, no one knows what it feels like to be discriminated against until it actually happens to you!:sad: Believe me I know what that feels like
The greatest man who ever walked this planet said "Forgive them for they know not what they do"
I will be staying on Pprune, if I may, but I will also be joining you on the new site when I find you
Cheers and go well to you all
Lionco
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Prop Brake
You have missed the point: PPRuNe is run by a man who has chosen not to have languages other than his own.
If he spoke Spanish and chose not to have Afrikaans or English, the result would be the same. You must consider that this entire system exists due to goodwill. If the site was run for purely commercial grounds - then all languages could be accomodated. However, the readers and posters of PPRuNe have made it clear that they would not pay the £30 or so per annum that would then be required.
The point of discussion is not that Afrikaans is being removed because it is Afrikaans but that languages other than English - and that are not heavily related to aviation - will be closed.
If this site was run by an Afrikaans person [on goodwill not commercial grounds] and they decided not to have English - then I would certainly accept that.
I'm sure old PAXboy would'nt say that so easily if it was English being banned. Imagine if I said, for the good of the world or so and so, English has to go.
If he spoke Spanish and chose not to have Afrikaans or English, the result would be the same. You must consider that this entire system exists due to goodwill. If the site was run for purely commercial grounds - then all languages could be accomodated. However, the readers and posters of PPRuNe have made it clear that they would not pay the £30 or so per annum that would then be required.
The point of discussion is not that Afrikaans is being removed because it is Afrikaans but that languages other than English - and that are not heavily related to aviation - will be closed.
If this site was run by an Afrikaans person [on goodwill not commercial grounds] and they decided not to have English - then I would certainly accept that.
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I'm sorry but not one of you has explained why I should allow any of you to have your own private forum on my website so that you can enjoy your Afrikaans culture when I have explained that this is The Professional Pilots RUmour NEtwork. What on earth has my website, aimed at professional pilots, got to do with Afrikaans?
Unless there is enough intelligence out there to get this thread back on track and have it relate in one way or another to professional aviation then it is out of here and I will bid goodbye to those of you who are unhappy at losing so much of your hard earned cash and time to set up, run and make a success of this website!
Unless there is enough intelligence out there to get this thread back on track and have it relate in one way or another to professional aviation then it is out of here and I will bid goodbye to those of you who are unhappy at losing so much of your hard earned cash and time to set up, run and make a success of this website!
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Just wanted to point out the fact that many of the afrikaans members have been banned, so how can they contribute to the poll 
This all seems like "ethnic cleansing" with a poll to make it seem diplomatic
This all seems like "ethnic cleansing" with a poll to make it seem diplomatic
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Danny, you are completely right. I guess that the boys over-reacted to Tower's post and that all the acrimony came from an escalation in insults.
I will, if allowed, continue to use this forum. I have been a member for a long time and find the aviation side of things informative and interesting. I was never a contributor to the Campfire, but found Towers's post really got under my skin (perhaps it is in the genes). I hope that my posts were not seen as inflammatory.
There is now an alternative to the campfire. If you are particularly charitable, perhaps you can point the boere in the right direction. I believe that the new site will not be a threat to PPRuNe, but rather will keep the dangerous posts away from your pride and joy.
We owe you a huge thank you for your vision and hard work to bring this site to us in its current form. I truly believe that it was a lack of information in the announcement of the ban, that caused all the trouble.
To my Afrikaans and like-minded brethren. Please let this issue die now. Perhaps Danny will tell you where to find the new campfire. I don't want to hijack his site to advertise it.
Nugs
I will, if allowed, continue to use this forum. I have been a member for a long time and find the aviation side of things informative and interesting. I was never a contributor to the Campfire, but found Towers's post really got under my skin (perhaps it is in the genes). I hope that my posts were not seen as inflammatory.
There is now an alternative to the campfire. If you are particularly charitable, perhaps you can point the boere in the right direction. I believe that the new site will not be a threat to PPRuNe, but rather will keep the dangerous posts away from your pride and joy.
We owe you a huge thank you for your vision and hard work to bring this site to us in its current form. I truly believe that it was a lack of information in the announcement of the ban, that caused all the trouble.
To my Afrikaans and like-minded brethren. Please let this issue die now. Perhaps Danny will tell you where to find the new campfire. I don't want to hijack his site to advertise it.
Nugs
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Before this degenerates into some sort of conspiracy theory, no one is banned because they speak Afrikaans. Just the suggestion smacks of lunacy and to suggest such appears to me to be some sort of inferiority complex.
Please give me a list of everyone who you believe is banned because they speak Afrikaans. A definitive list would be appreciated so that these stupid and pathetic allegations can be paid to rest.
If there is anyone banned for a different reason such as being abusive, breaking the rules or something similar then that is a different matter and I will review the bans, if there are any.
What irks me the most is the totally immature thinking that goes into some of the posts on this thread. If it is inconceivable to some of you that I'm not a charity and this is a website PRIMARILY for professional pilots to discuss matters that involve our profession, then wailing and crying at the loss of your own little private campfire where you could use my bandwidth to have your private little club is just plain insulting. I challenge you to invest your own money to provide a platform for others to insult you and use my goodwill for your own amusement. It reeks of an arrogance that makes mine pale into insignificance.
The next neanderthal who cannot grasp the concept that this isn't a piece of common land where you can do and say what you like needn't bother with the insults or bad mouthing as your efforts will be wasted as they are trashed. Get used to the concept that this website is a benign dictatorship and that the benign bit can wear very thin at times. Digest that and understand it you will have no problems.
Please give me a list of everyone who you believe is banned because they speak Afrikaans. A definitive list would be appreciated so that these stupid and pathetic allegations can be paid to rest.
If there is anyone banned for a different reason such as being abusive, breaking the rules or something similar then that is a different matter and I will review the bans, if there are any.
What irks me the most is the totally immature thinking that goes into some of the posts on this thread. If it is inconceivable to some of you that I'm not a charity and this is a website PRIMARILY for professional pilots to discuss matters that involve our profession, then wailing and crying at the loss of your own little private campfire where you could use my bandwidth to have your private little club is just plain insulting. I challenge you to invest your own money to provide a platform for others to insult you and use my goodwill for your own amusement. It reeks of an arrogance that makes mine pale into insignificance.
The next neanderthal who cannot grasp the concept that this isn't a piece of common land where you can do and say what you like needn't bother with the insults or bad mouthing as your efforts will be wasted as they are trashed. Get used to the concept that this website is a benign dictatorship and that the benign bit can wear very thin at times. Digest that and understand it you will have no problems.
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Hey, maybe we can take the heat off my SA friends and get a cartoon thread up and running..Seems to do better than Smart Bombs lately......
Besides one does not have to speak a certain language to understand.
Besides one does not have to speak a certain language to understand.
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Sadly the request fell on deaf ears...
I said earlier:
I agree with you that it is Danny's site and he has full authority over it.
I also know "The Campfire" has become a controversial issue with Afrikaans being used, but traditionally a campfire has always been a place where people in just about every country around the world ended up at some stage in their lives to shoot the breeze (chat and banter), relax, share experiences and jokes and chat about everything, not just flying issues.
According to me "The Campfire" gave us that VERY good balance in PPRune, where one could have forums where serious aviation matters would be discussed, the work hard part of our daily lives, but "The Campfire" afforded us the play hard part of our lives where one could relax and meet up and do the "shooting the breeze" thing and have a quiet laugh, before moving off to sleep.
Africa, being a third world continent, has many campfires and "The Campfire" forum being under the Rest of the world & non- English forums, just lead to a natural progression of speaking in Afrikaans, not on purpose to exclude anyone. It is as a matter of fact the only forum to my knowledge the guys have used to speak Afrikaans in, and in so doing respected the other users in other forums.
Being an Afrikaans speaking individual touring into Nigeria, I find many South Africans and Afrikaans speaking people of all professions scattered throughout Africa and also the rest of the world.
Afrikaans is our mother tongue, which has been said is very descriptive and colourful, as is the characters that speak the language, albeit a minority of your users.
Work hard, play hard is an international concept and your website has had all the right ingredients and that is why it is the best aviation forum based website on the internet and thus so popular.
I ask you please to rather increase your website, to include a "Die Kampvuur" for Afrikans users or allow us to continue in our mother tongue on "The Campfire" forum, than chase us away. I bet your decision wasn't based on the guys being malicious on the forum.
I am sure that just about every person involved in the global aviation industry has dealt with a South African professional pilot or engineer, either Afrikaans or English or Zulu for that matter, somewhere in his career and had many experiences and many things to say about us, albeit good or bad.
We are a fun loving nation, we are definitely colourful and we have made our mark in the aviation industry worldwide.
Your favourable consideration will be highly appreciated, regardless of what results you might find on the poll.
Much later....:
I see the Campfire has gone out and it's a cold place to be with an unwelcome atmosphere as the forum seems to be deleted.
I will not post on PPRune anymore. I know it will not affect your life in the slightest Danny or anybody elses for that matter, as it seems you have already made up your mind and the poll actually means nothing.
Sadly, even in Africa, dictators, benign or not, aren't really liked.
By the way, Professional pilots usually have more to talk about than just work and work related issues, no matter what the language, race or creed. Balance is a good thing, you should try it.
Enjoy your throne while it lasts and by the way, sarcasm is the lowest form of wit....
Tot Siens
I agree with you that it is Danny's site and he has full authority over it.
I also know "The Campfire" has become a controversial issue with Afrikaans being used, but traditionally a campfire has always been a place where people in just about every country around the world ended up at some stage in their lives to shoot the breeze (chat and banter), relax, share experiences and jokes and chat about everything, not just flying issues.
According to me "The Campfire" gave us that VERY good balance in PPRune, where one could have forums where serious aviation matters would be discussed, the work hard part of our daily lives, but "The Campfire" afforded us the play hard part of our lives where one could relax and meet up and do the "shooting the breeze" thing and have a quiet laugh, before moving off to sleep.
Africa, being a third world continent, has many campfires and "The Campfire" forum being under the Rest of the world & non- English forums, just lead to a natural progression of speaking in Afrikaans, not on purpose to exclude anyone. It is as a matter of fact the only forum to my knowledge the guys have used to speak Afrikaans in, and in so doing respected the other users in other forums.
Being an Afrikaans speaking individual touring into Nigeria, I find many South Africans and Afrikaans speaking people of all professions scattered throughout Africa and also the rest of the world.
Afrikaans is our mother tongue, which has been said is very descriptive and colourful, as is the characters that speak the language, albeit a minority of your users.
Work hard, play hard is an international concept and your website has had all the right ingredients and that is why it is the best aviation forum based website on the internet and thus so popular.
I ask you please to rather increase your website, to include a "Die Kampvuur" for Afrikans users or allow us to continue in our mother tongue on "The Campfire" forum, than chase us away. I bet your decision wasn't based on the guys being malicious on the forum.
I am sure that just about every person involved in the global aviation industry has dealt with a South African professional pilot or engineer, either Afrikaans or English or Zulu for that matter, somewhere in his career and had many experiences and many things to say about us, albeit good or bad.
We are a fun loving nation, we are definitely colourful and we have made our mark in the aviation industry worldwide.
Your favourable consideration will be highly appreciated, regardless of what results you might find on the poll.
Much later....:
I see the Campfire has gone out and it's a cold place to be with an unwelcome atmosphere as the forum seems to be deleted.
I will not post on PPRune anymore. I know it will not affect your life in the slightest Danny or anybody elses for that matter, as it seems you have already made up your mind and the poll actually means nothing.
Sadly, even in Africa, dictators, benign or not, aren't really liked.
By the way, Professional pilots usually have more to talk about than just work and work related issues, no matter what the language, race or creed. Balance is a good thing, you should try it.
Enjoy your throne while it lasts and by the way, sarcasm is the lowest form of wit....
Tot Siens
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As these complaint threads drag on, it seems many of the lengthy responses are from some who still didnt get the message.
1. Site is OWNED by someone who wants it kept in English.
2. Campfire is only down temporarily
3. Afrikaans can be used in conjunction with translation into English.
4. Newsclips are acceptable, with an English synopsis.
5. There are other forums/websites
Is there something I missed as I dont think PPrune has yet to be designated an Afrikaans Heritage site........
Lets get back to Aviation throughout the world (includes SA).
1. Site is OWNED by someone who wants it kept in English.
2. Campfire is only down temporarily
3. Afrikaans can be used in conjunction with translation into English.
4. Newsclips are acceptable, with an English synopsis.
5. There are other forums/websites
Is there something I missed as I dont think PPrune has yet to be designated an Afrikaans Heritage site........
Lets get back to Aviation throughout the world (includes SA).
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African Aviation and Afrikaans
as any charter, contract, regional pilot in Africa can tell you: Aviation in Africa and Afrikaans go pretty much together... whether you like it or not, you run into the boere boneheads everywhere!
Just as one learns to say Jambo in East Africa or salaam aleikum in the North, it is inconceivable that Afrikaans is erradicated from any forum that discusses Aviation in the continent of Mother Africa.
The moderators and owners of the site should realise this fact.
(professional pilot in africa, afrikaans speaking, but not a bonehead myself)
Just as one learns to say Jambo in East Africa or salaam aleikum in the North, it is inconceivable that Afrikaans is erradicated from any forum that discusses Aviation in the continent of Mother Africa.
The moderators and owners of the site should realise this fact.
(professional pilot in africa, afrikaans speaking, but not a bonehead myself)