View Poll Results: Do you speak Afrikaans?
I am a professional aviator and I speak Afrikaans
128
56.89%
I am NOT a professional aviator and I speak Afrikaans
14
6.22%
I am NOT a professional aviator and I do NOT speak Afrikaans
15
6.67%
I am a professional aviator and I do NOT speak Afrikaans
63
28.00%
I don't care one way or another about professional aviation or Afrikaans
5
2.22%
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I find some of the obsequious grovelling ("thanks so much for letting us participate in PPRUNE, Danny") only slightly less nauseating than Danny's vaguely arrogant "this my MY website and I am the all-seeing, all-thinking God of your universe when you want to visit it".
Of course, readers from South Africa will be familiar with the concept of banning individuals that dare to criticise the government. Pity, though: I though that dictatorial attitude, "benign" or not, disappeared years ago, about the time that a certain indivdual walked out of Pollsmoor Prison.
Of course, readers from South Africa will be familiar with the concept of banning individuals that dare to criticise the government. Pity, though: I though that dictatorial attitude, "benign" or not, disappeared years ago, about the time that a certain indivdual walked out of Pollsmoor Prison.
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Now I am really p
d ! I speak English primarily and use the Campfire all the time...now it has gone on the basis of discrimination against Afrikaans speakers.
Maybe Pprune does belong to the owners (thank you) but what would it be without us ppuners?
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d ! I speak English primarily and use the Campfire all the time...now it has gone on the basis of discrimination against Afrikaans speakers. Maybe Pprune does belong to the owners (thank you) but what would it be without us ppuners?
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Originally Posted by B Sousa
As these complaint threads drag on, it seems many of the lengthy responses are from some who still didnt get the message.
1. Site is OWNED by someone who wants it kept in English.
2. Campfire is only down temporarily
3. Afrikaans can be used in conjunction with translation into English.
4. Newsclips are acceptable, with an English synopsis.
5. There are other forums/websites
Is there something I missed as I dont think PPrune has yet to be designated an Afrikaans Heritage site........
Lets get back to Aviation throughout the world (includes SA).
1. Site is OWNED by someone who wants it kept in English.
2. Campfire is only down temporarily
3. Afrikaans can be used in conjunction with translation into English.
4. Newsclips are acceptable, with an English synopsis.
5. There are other forums/websites
Is there something I missed as I dont think PPrune has yet to be designated an Afrikaans Heritage site........
Lets get back to Aviation throughout the world (includes SA).
) In the old days this was a great source for useful information, now it is just a site for inferior people to blow their own trumpet. My concern is by chasing more knowledgeable people away, yet another forum will become boring and one sided. Maybe you don't care Danny, but I do. Danny you have something great, don't blow it by treating people like dirt.You need us more than you give us credit for.
Bert get your head out of the sand
One day it just might be little old you.........and then what?
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Whether you like it or not it MAY revolve around them as it is their site. What part of you being unnecessary to the forum dont you understand. If they banned you or me or guns, this site would continue along the rules that they made........
Guns obviously has not been banned, but also off temporaily, (read 4hps comments) If he were banned all his threads would go with him.......
As for it being little old me, it has been .TWICE, because I didnt abide by THEIR rules......Not happy about that, but have to live with it or find another forum.
Its basically work with it or go away........
Besides if you paid money for anything here, your dumber than I am..
Whether you like it or not it MAY revolve around them as it is their site. What part of you being unnecessary to the forum dont you understand. If they banned you or me or guns, this site would continue along the rules that they made........
Guns obviously has not been banned, but also off temporaily, (read 4hps comments) If he were banned all his threads would go with him.......
As for it being little old me, it has been .TWICE, because I didnt abide by THEIR rules......Not happy about that, but have to live with it or find another forum.
Its basically work with it or go away........
Besides if you paid money for anything here, your dumber than I am..
Originally Posted by B Sousa
Claw
Whether you like it or not it MAY revolve around them as it is their site. What part of you being unnecessary to the forum dont you understand. If they banned you or me or guns, this site would continue along the rules that they made........
Guns obviously has not been banned, but also off temporaily, (read 4hps comments) If he were banned all his threads would go with him.......
As for it being little old me, it has been .TWICE, because I didnt abide by THEIR rules......Not happy about that, but have to live with it or find another forum.
Its basically work with it or go away........
Besides if you paid money for anything here, your dumber than I am..
Whether you like it or not it MAY revolve around them as it is their site. What part of you being unnecessary to the forum dont you understand. If they banned you or me or guns, this site would continue along the rules that they made........
Guns obviously has not been banned, but also off temporaily, (read 4hps comments) If he were banned all his threads would go with him.......
As for it being little old me, it has been .TWICE, because I didnt abide by THEIR rules......Not happy about that, but have to live with it or find another forum.
Its basically work with it or go away........
Besides if you paid money for anything here, your dumber than I am..
If Guns has not been banned "temporarily" or otherwise then why is he posting via his son? The point is as a "paying" customer he didn't even warrant a series of warnings or maybe removal of a post. Just cut him off because his views differ? Then moan because more of us don't pay to be treated as being insignificant individuals?
Surely the point is this is the African Forum................... not specific to any one language of Africa. It is viewed and participated in by people of many diverse nationalities and mother tongues, therefore for the topics to make sense, and for it to be inclusive for all, there has to be a common language and like it or not that language is English.
The French, and other language specific forums cater for a far larger number of people than those who understand Afrikaans. It isn't an attempt to discriminate against Afrikaan speakers, it is simply acknowledging that there are a lot of other countries in Africa than just South Africa , and those countries do NOT have any ability to speak Afrikaans and would be excluded from topics in Afrikaans thereby weakening the forum as a way of debating topical issues. How annoying would it be if all the contributers used their local tongues, Wuluf, Yuruba, Igbo etc? They reckon there are 240+ individual languages in Nigeria alone!!!
Gunnsss I have drunk beer with you and like you as a guy, but I think you and a couple of the others are cutting your noses off to spite your faces. That won't stop me having a beer or two with you when next I see you
If you guys leave the forum will survive, but not be as alive as with you. Spare a thought for the legal aspect to this. You guys don't hang back on your views when posting in English so goodness knows what you could do in Afrikaans, and Danny and the crew wish to stay out of the libel courts and jail. Afrikaans, like Gaelic is a minor world language and there isn't an auto translator available. I think it is fair that those legally responsible for the site understand what is being posted so that they can take action to protect themselves from potential lawsuits.
So stop the sulk guys and come back
The French, and other language specific forums cater for a far larger number of people than those who understand Afrikaans. It isn't an attempt to discriminate against Afrikaan speakers, it is simply acknowledging that there are a lot of other countries in Africa than just South Africa , and those countries do NOT have any ability to speak Afrikaans and would be excluded from topics in Afrikaans thereby weakening the forum as a way of debating topical issues. How annoying would it be if all the contributers used their local tongues, Wuluf, Yuruba, Igbo etc? They reckon there are 240+ individual languages in Nigeria alone!!!
Gunnsss I have drunk beer with you and like you as a guy, but I think you and a couple of the others are cutting your noses off to spite your faces. That won't stop me having a beer or two with you when next I see you
If you guys leave the forum will survive, but not be as alive as with you. Spare a thought for the legal aspect to this. You guys don't hang back on your views when posting in English so goodness knows what you could do in Afrikaans, and Danny and the crew wish to stay out of the libel courts and jail. Afrikaans, like Gaelic is a minor world language and there isn't an auto translator available. I think it is fair that those legally responsible for the site understand what is being posted so that they can take action to protect themselves from potential lawsuits.
So stop the sulk guys and come back
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i cannot speak or understand a word of afrikaans, and i dont even mind seeing the odd comment or posting in afrikaans, but what does annoy me is when the claw says, 'as a paying customer of pprune' didnt realise there was such a thing, just perhaps people who were good enough to donate towards the running costs of the site...
i have many great friends in sa who are of afrikaans origin and it is their first language and i will tell you something which in my short time living in sa i found to be true of afrikaans people. they are great fun, very loyal and decent people, but the minute there is more than one afrikaans speaking person the language changes to afrikaans even when there are people present who cant understand it...i used to find it quite infuriating and just down right rude, i wonder if the same is happening on pprune, considering the party has been organised by an english speaking person?
like i said, i have no problem with guys starting a topic in afrikaans, but when people start becoming righteous with talk like we are being discriminated against because of our language it becomes a little pathetic, this is a site for fun, it is not a slur against anyones human rights.
when you pay your money to go and watch an english film in the cinema, guess what, they speak english, and you accepted they would when you decided to watch an english film, are we not all agreed that this is an english website...
in conclusion, i really enjoyed the campfire forum too, i liked posting/reading about cricket on there and hope it comes back soon, but lets not turn something fairly trivial into something which it is not...
being angry is a waste of energy...
i have many great friends in sa who are of afrikaans origin and it is their first language and i will tell you something which in my short time living in sa i found to be true of afrikaans people. they are great fun, very loyal and decent people, but the minute there is more than one afrikaans speaking person the language changes to afrikaans even when there are people present who cant understand it...i used to find it quite infuriating and just down right rude, i wonder if the same is happening on pprune, considering the party has been organised by an english speaking person?
like i said, i have no problem with guys starting a topic in afrikaans, but when people start becoming righteous with talk like we are being discriminated against because of our language it becomes a little pathetic, this is a site for fun, it is not a slur against anyones human rights.
when you pay your money to go and watch an english film in the cinema, guess what, they speak english, and you accepted they would when you decided to watch an english film, are we not all agreed that this is an english website...
in conclusion, i really enjoyed the campfire forum too, i liked posting/reading about cricket on there and hope it comes back soon, but lets not turn something fairly trivial into something which it is not...
being angry is a waste of energy...
Last edited by south coast; 5th Feb 2006 at 20:54.
Originally Posted by south coast
i cannot speak or understand a word of afrikaans, and i dont even mind seeing the odd comment or posting in afrikaans, but what does annoy me is when the claw says, 'as a paying customer of pprune' didnt realise there was such a thing, just perhaps people who were good enough to donate towards the running costs of the site...
i have many great friends in sa who are of afrikaans origin and it is their first language and i will tell you something which in my short time living in sa i found to be true of afrikaans people. they are great fun, very loyal and decent people, but the minute there is more than one afrikaans speaking person the language changes to afrikaans even when there are people present who cant understand it...i used to find it quite infuriating and just down right rude, i wonder if the same is happening on pprune, considering the party has been organised by an english speaking person?
in conclusion, i really enjoyed the campfire forum too, i liked posting/reading about cricket on there and hope it comes back soon, but lets not turn something fairly trivial into something which it is not...
being angry is a waste of energy...
i have many great friends in sa who are of afrikaans origin and it is their first language and i will tell you something which in my short time living in sa i found to be true of afrikaans people. they are great fun, very loyal and decent people, but the minute there is more than one afrikaans speaking person the language changes to afrikaans even when there are people present who cant understand it...i used to find it quite infuriating and just down right rude, i wonder if the same is happening on pprune, considering the party has been organised by an english speaking person?
in conclusion, i really enjoyed the campfire forum too, i liked posting/reading about cricket on there and hope it comes back soon, but lets not turn something fairly trivial into something which it is not...
being angry is a waste of energy...
You miss my point entirely. If someone asks for a donation and then you tell him to Foxtrot Oscar because you can't be bothered, then don't be surprised if nobody else is bothered either! To invite someone to "the party" and to just ignore his/her wishes because he is "insignificant" is just darn right rude.
In order to have "fun" everyone should be invited to take part. If you go to an English movie which says it has Spanish subtitles then you expect to see Spanish subtitles! Likewise if an English website, says "Other Languages" then you should see "other" languages.
A fairly "trivial" explaination would have avoided the heat. I think it is known as common courtesy
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Claw, maybe I should speak more S l o w l y.........If he is posting through his son, its because he has been shut down T e m p o r a r i l y. (That means he cannot post using his sign on name.....) Again the Mods probably turn a blind eye.
Others here just gotten new names.
Guns will be back Im sure, after he sucks down a couple truckloads of Tassies. Hes a good dude, just needs to take a break.
I dont know but I think this has gone way overboard.......... Surely not covered it better than I can........
Where were you guys when I got bounced for being critical of the Taliban..
Others here just gotten new names.
Guns will be back Im sure, after he sucks down a couple truckloads of Tassies. Hes a good dude, just needs to take a break.
I dont know but I think this has gone way overboard.......... Surely not covered it better than I can........
Where were you guys when I got bounced for being critical of the Taliban..
Bert,
How can one possibly get banned for dissing the Taliban? Having seen videos of them shooting the young woman at the soccer field and the destruction of the Budda seems to put them in line for some criticism it would seem. Would any benefit been gained from having character witnesses stand up for you?
How can one possibly get banned for dissing the Taliban? Having seen videos of them shooting the young woman at the soccer field and the destruction of the Budda seems to put them in line for some criticism it would seem. Would any benefit been gained from having character witnesses stand up for you?
[QUOTE=B Sousa]Claw, maybe I should speak more S l o w l y.........If he is posting through his son, its because he has been shut down T e m p o r a r i l y. (That means he cannot post using his sign on name.....) QUOTE]
Ban is to forbid officially........."Temporarily" or otherwise...........
ie. He is at this moment banned from posting as Gunss ! Suspended if you prefer!
Should we draw you pictures Bert
Ban is to forbid officially........."Temporarily" or otherwise...........
ie. He is at this moment banned from posting as Gunss ! Suspended if you prefer!
Should we draw you pictures Bert
Well I have received a PM from him as Gunsss since this all kicked off, but in it Gunnss said he was banned.
Question: If you are banned can you still send PM's??
Now Claw, the title of the forum wasn't 'Afrikaans Aviation' it was 'African Aviation'. That is why English is the language to be used, it covers aviation over ALL Africa.
The French and Spanish Sections cover aviation issues in specific French and Spanish speaking areas.
Question: If you are banned can you still send PM's??
Now Claw, the title of the forum wasn't 'Afrikaans Aviation' it was 'African Aviation'. That is why English is the language to be used, it covers aviation over ALL Africa.
The French and Spanish Sections cover aviation issues in specific French and Spanish speaking areas.
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i totally agree...although i didnt mind the afrikaans posts in the campfire, i could never understand nor comment...but hey, not the end of the world, as i am sure most non- afrikaans-understanding people thought...
but at no time did it ever say it was an afrikaans forum and thats the bit which i do find slightly annoiying, the fact that some believed it was their RIGHT to speak it...
it was never your right as a name on pprune, but i think it was quite cool that you guys could discreetely chat in your mother tongue there...but i think you have made a huge fuss and went about what you want in the wrong way...
a guy from our company is trying to set up a forum dedicated to our company, and he is asking if people would be prepared to contribute towards are own dediacted forum...why didnt you guys offer something like that?
but at no time did it ever say it was an afrikaans forum and thats the bit which i do find slightly annoiying, the fact that some believed it was their RIGHT to speak it...
it was never your right as a name on pprune, but i think it was quite cool that you guys could discreetely chat in your mother tongue there...but i think you have made a huge fuss and went about what you want in the wrong way...
a guy from our company is trying to set up a forum dedicated to our company, and he is asking if people would be prepared to contribute towards are own dediacted forum...why didnt you guys offer something like that?
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I am a professional aviator and I do NOT speak Afrikaans...
...but I can read and understand it!!!
I have so far also enjoyed most of the Afrikaans contributions and surely never felt offended by any.
If this poll is supposed to make any sense then the question should be asked if the members of the forum are against it - I for my part think a bit of common sense and tolerance should prevail !!!
I have so far also enjoyed most of the Afrikaans contributions and surely never felt offended by any.
If this poll is supposed to make any sense then the question should be asked if the members of the forum are against it - I for my part think a bit of common sense and tolerance should prevail !!!
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Well I have received a PM from him as Gunsss since this all kicked off, but in it Gunnss said he was banned.
Question: If you are banned can you still send PM's??
Now Claw, the title of the forum wasn't 'Afrikaans Aviation' it was 'African Aviation'. That is why English is the language to be used, it covers aviation over ALL Africa.
The French and Spanish Sections cover aviation issues in specific French and Spanish speaking areas.
Question: If you are banned can you still send PM's??
Now Claw, the title of the forum wasn't 'Afrikaans Aviation' it was 'African Aviation'. That is why English is the language to be used, it covers aviation over ALL Africa.
The French and Spanish Sections cover aviation issues in specific French and Spanish speaking areas.
I'm not suggesting that there should be an Afrikaans only forum, never have done. I'm suggesting fair play. I'm suggesting that if Danny objects to foreign languages then get rid of the foreign section. Then we can all be one "happy" family and post under the section of "aviation" that we are talking about rather than to have our elite section of the site.(ie. Not African or Spanish but as a fellow airline pilot or whatever.)
Further I'm suggesting that in my opinion things wouldn't get so ugly if the moderators showed a bit more consideration and understanding. (ie, Involve people, make them feel wanted rather than to alienate them!) This is the way forward in my opinion.
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I would much rather be stacking empty Castles Cans with you than continuing to explain what I think is the problem......
We agree on Suspended, lets leave it like that. Banned, means no PMs, threads disappear etc......BTDT
Also, Yes, Afrikaans is an African Language, I dont see many sites that use Xosha or Zulu, albeit a few of you guys speak it fluently.. Yes, I understand not as many frequent this site as do those speaking Afrikaans. Obviously to me the use of Afrikaans soley , was meant to exclude all non speakers. That does not bother me as its probably a subject which I have not any interest. I can only assume that the Owners thought that since nobody knows, by their rules and the rules YOU agreed too when registering, they can say stop.
***Consider this, instead of moaning about the situation why dont you try working with the owners and see what can be done to allow Afrikaans in some fashion. I certainly dont have the answer, but Im sure there is some mutual ground.**** The Campfire, as I understand it, was to take NON Aviation threads and put them into a site that still pertained in some fashion to Africa.
Sasless, dissing the Taliban/"Mid-Easterner" types here offends the ********** that frequent this site. They whine as if I were doing cartoons of whats his name and of course the Towers in their non offensive mode will slap your hands..
Back to square one, like it or leave.....
I would much rather be stacking empty Castles Cans with you than continuing to explain what I think is the problem......
We agree on Suspended, lets leave it like that. Banned, means no PMs, threads disappear etc......BTDT
Also, Yes, Afrikaans is an African Language, I dont see many sites that use Xosha or Zulu, albeit a few of you guys speak it fluently.. Yes, I understand not as many frequent this site as do those speaking Afrikaans. Obviously to me the use of Afrikaans soley , was meant to exclude all non speakers. That does not bother me as its probably a subject which I have not any interest. I can only assume that the Owners thought that since nobody knows, by their rules and the rules YOU agreed too when registering, they can say stop.
***Consider this, instead of moaning about the situation why dont you try working with the owners and see what can be done to allow Afrikaans in some fashion. I certainly dont have the answer, but Im sure there is some mutual ground.**** The Campfire, as I understand it, was to take NON Aviation threads and put them into a site that still pertained in some fashion to Africa.
Sasless, dissing the Taliban/"Mid-Easterner" types here offends the ********** that frequent this site. They whine as if I were doing cartoons of whats his name and of course the Towers in their non offensive mode will slap your hands..
Back to square one, like it or leave.....
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Question:
Seeing that freedom of speech is a rather hot topic at the moment. Don't you think that the poll you put out is a bit one sided ? What about:
I am a profesional aviator and don't mind afrikaans on this site
or
I am a not a profesional aviator and don't mind afrikaans on this site
or
I am not a aviator and don't mind afrikaans on this site
You know, almost like the freedom of speech in Zimbabwe!
Seeing that freedom of speech is a rather hot topic at the moment. Don't you think that the poll you put out is a bit one sided ? What about:
I am a profesional aviator and don't mind afrikaans on this site
or
I am a not a profesional aviator and don't mind afrikaans on this site
or
I am not a aviator and don't mind afrikaans on this site
You know, almost like the freedom of speech in Zimbabwe!
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After a couple PMs from others, I agree. Some just dont get it. There is only freedom of speech if its within the guidelines of the forum which you do not own..
You want freedom of speech, start your own website.....
Im out of this one......Must be the folks at Helibase are laughing their collective asses off as no new postings on the mess from there. This has taken up all the heat.....
You want freedom of speech, start your own website.....
Im out of this one......Must be the folks at Helibase are laughing their collective asses off as no new postings on the mess from there. This has taken up all the heat.....