Neither PF or FR24 tracked it. Strange, but that's what they say as high enough for MLAT.
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We don't know that FR24 didn't track it.
It may well have a voluntary agreement, as it does with many corporate/private aircraft owners, not to publish flight details. |
Originally Posted by BluSdUp
(Post 10367585)
I also find it strange that the search was called off in the early critical phase.
Anyway I hope we can learn a thing or two from this tragic accident. Nr 1 would be always carry an ELT! Weather is getting worse again, it's currently snowing in London and moving that way. |
Originally Posted by Above The Clouds
(Post 10367563)
Do N Reg aircraft not have ELT's built into the airframe that activate with contact on water or an impact ?
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Some facts about N264DB:
- there is one photograph of it on Airliners from July 4, 2010. It shows it was equipped (in 2010) with de-ice boots and heating propeller pads. Of course, this equipment might have been unserviceable on January 21th, 2019. - the cruise ceiling of a PA-46-310P is 25,000 ft. At that altitude, it still has a ROC between 400 and 500 fpm but 25,000 ft is the limit dictated by the pressurisation system. |
TAF and METAR for Cardiff and Jersey were:
EGFF 211644Z 2116/2212 22012KT 9999 SCT035 TEMPO 2116/2120 7000 -RA TEMPO 2120/2124 23016G26KT 6000 RA BKN010 PROB30 TEMPO 2120/2124 27020G30KT 4000 RA BKN006 BECMG 2121/2124 28012KT TEMPO 2208/2212 6000 SHRA BKN010 PROB30 TEMPO 2208/2210 3000 SHRA SHRASN BKN008 PROB30 TEMPO 2210/2212 SHRA TSGS BKN008 EGFF 211820Z AUTO 22011KT 9999 -RA BKN021 OVC034 07/05 Q1014 EGFF 211850Z AUTO 23012KT 9999 -RA BKN020 BKN026 OVC045 07/05 Q1013 EGFF 211920Z AUTO 22011KT 9999 BKN033 BKN044 07/05 Q1013 EGFF 211950Z AUTO 22013KT 9999 BKN033 07/05 Q1012 EGFF 212020Z AUTO 22012KT 9999 SCT026 BKN034 07/05 Q1011 EGFF 212050Z AUTO 20012KT 9999 BKN023/// BKN039/// //////TCU 07/05 Q1010 EGFF 212120Z AUTO 20012KT 9999 -RA SCT024 BKN033 BKN040 07/05 Q1009 EGFF 212150Z AUTO 21012KT 6000 -RA BKN020/// OVC026/// //////TCU 07/06 Q1008 EGJJ 211707Z 2118/2203 20010KT 9999 FEW015 BKN030 TEMPO 2118/2124 -RA BKN015 PROB30 TEMPO 2118/2121 7000 SHRA BKN012 BECMG 2121/2123 22020KT BECMG 2202/2203 31017KT NSW SCT015 EGJJ 211820Z 22010KT 9999 SCT014 SCT025 BKN040 06/04 Q1019 EGJJ 211850Z 22011KT 9999 FEW018 SCT021 07/04 Q1018 EGJJ 211920Z 22011KT 9999 FEW016 SCT018 07/04 Q1018 EGJJ 211950Z 22012KT 9999 FEW018 SCT020 06/04 Q1017 EGJJ 212020Z 22013KT 9999 R26/1400 SCT014 07/04 Q1017 EGJJ 212050Z AUTO 22015KT 9999 1200 R26/1200 BR SCT014/// SCT018/// BKN033/// 07/05 Q1016 EGJJ 212120Z AUTO 22015KT 9999 1400 FEW013/// OVC028/// 07/05 Q1016 RERA EGJJ 212150Z AUTO 21015KT 9999 1400 FEW014/// SCT017/// BKN032/// 07/05 Q1015 RERA |
Originally Posted by lilflyboy262...2
(Post 10367612)
The weather was absolutely miserable at around 0200 local time. They were up early again this morning looking for them and were still looking for them at around 1430 LCT when we departed.
Weather is getting worse again, it's currently snowing in London and moving that way. Unfortunately there was nothing found during today's search, and I'm not so sure the reports of red flares relate to the actual aircraft itself, and were more likely dropped by assets during the search. |
It may well have a voluntary agreement, as it does with many corporate/private aircraft owners, not to publish flight details. Source: FR24 |
Seems the questions are getting answered..
Experienced pilot - named in some media. PA46-310P from 1984 owned under the usual UK trustee system. "old" transponder meaning Mode C? |
God Damn Channel Islands - with it's own weather.
I've flown in there dozens of times and one minute you can count every star in the sky and the next - you can't see the end of the temp probe out the front of the windscreen. |
Originally Posted by NAROBS
(Post 10367696)
Isn't this machine declared on FR as having mode S which is spec'd to transmit every 25 ft change inaltitude and won't the French Primary radar be tracking everything that moves within 25 miles of Cap de la Hague nucleur asset ?
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Single engine, winter, snow forecast, night, possibly chartered from the low bidder. Prominent entertainer having the arrangements made for them.
Did we learn nothing from Buddy Holly ? |
Aside from the human tragedy, I'd be interested in knowing whether Cardiff FC had organized life insurance on their £15m asset. Even so, many life policies specifically exclude deaths in non-commercial or GA aircraft. A financial loss on that scale could ultimately threaten the future of the entire club. |
Originally Posted by kitchensinkrate
(Post 10367505)
Saturday, January 19, 2019
Log Saturday 19/01/2019 Cardiff IAP Runway in use 12 Visitors Landing at 11:44 is "N264DB" PA-46-310P Malibu N264DB ..parking on the GA apron ..departed at 12:15 to Guernsey If that is the case and they wanted to land there, this would explain the altitude. |
That was the Saturday Cardiff to Nantes flight, via Guernsey.
It would only explain the low altitude on yesterday's flight if they had also planned to stop there on the return. We don't know that. |
Originally Posted by WHBM
(Post 10367775)
Single engine, winter, snow forecast, night, possibly chartered from the low bidder.
Wouldn't be the least but surprised if some shenanigan like this was involved - but if so the CAA need to come down on the perpetrators like a ton of hot bricks. We hear far too much of this sort of chicanery. Remember the Dettori near wipeout at Doncaster(?) racecourse last year? Yet another N reg being flown irresponsibly & dangerously in UK airspace with high value clients on board. "Lent" by friends was it? I'll bet. |
The great grey-area, dry lease hire... to quote a website offering such a service.
"All hires are on a “dry” basis, leaving customers free to organise their own flights and supply their own pilots. This makes the service very cost effective and flexible as overheads are kept to a minimum." It also nicely sidesteps the reason why AOCs were created, SAFETY! |
Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
(Post 10367290)
Unlikely to have been G-regd. There is only one, privately-owned, P46T on the UK register.
Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
(Post 10367417)
Sala was reportedly making a return/farewell visit to Nantes, having signed the transfer deal in Cardiff on Saturday 19th.
It may of course be coincidence, but Malibu N264DB was noted departing Rhoose on Saturday morning, flightplanned to Guernsey. It's an entry-level, piston-powered Malibu 310P (Continental TSIO-520). if the aircraft raft started in South Wales - I know there is an N reg in the hangar at Swansea - I have a photo of it. Not the same as the Norfolk pa46
Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
(Post 10367578)
Actually there are a couple of dozen Malibus registered to SAC.
But I'm not sure what the relevance of those are, given that they all likely belong to different owners, and AFAIK none has been noted at Cardiff recently (apart from N264DB). I have a photo of it; I always recognise a Malibu - it has that registration |
Originally Posted by er340790
(Post 10367795)
Aside from the human tragedy, I'd be interested in knowing whether Cardiff FC had organized life insurance on their £15m asset. Even so, many life policies specifically exclude deaths in non-commercial or GA aircraft. A financial loss on that scale could ultimately threaten the future of the entire club. I think you will find that this is a fairly standard exclusion in a professional footballer insurance policy. Whatever were they thinking!!!!? |
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