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wrecker 22nd Jan 2019 06:50

Missing over the Channel
 
BBC reporting Piper Malibu in bound to EGFF missing over the English Channel.

pasir 22nd Jan 2019 08:00

Single engine at night over sea.
 
As we await further details on this event lets hope the outcome for the two persons on board will result in success and survival. However it does bring up the old controversy of how wise or urgent would it be to undergo a longish flight over water at night in a single engine a/c.

mark25787 22nd Jan 2019 08:26

Press speculation is that the new signing for Cardiff City, Emiliano Sala, was one of the two persons aboard the aircraft.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-eur...rnsey-46954922

Jetstream67 22nd Jan 2019 08:30


callum_62 22nd Jan 2019 08:56

The report I read said they were at 5000 requesting descent and radar contact lost at 2300 feet - surely thats not right?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-eur...rnsey-46954922

manrow 22nd Jan 2019 09:33

Cardiff City Footballer Feared Missing after aircraft disappeared near Channel Island
 
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...l-Islands.html

Jed A1 22nd Jan 2019 10:03

From Guernsey Police
 
Aircraft Search: 10.20am update.

There are currently two helicopters, two planes and one lifeboat searching.

Aircraft Search: 8.45am update

Guernsey Coastguard received an alert at 20:23 from Jersey ATC, that a light aircraft had gone off their radar approximately 15 miles north of Guernsey, initiating a major search and rescue operation involving both St Peter Port and Alderney lifeboats. Air Search 1 and 2 HM Coastguard helicopters are also involved in the search.

The PA 46 Malibu, a single turbine engine aircraft was on route from Nantes in France, to Cardiff in Wales, with two people on board when it was lost off radar as Jersey ATC was attempting to make contact.

A search model was created on SARIS, based on the likely ditching position, and all search and rescue assets were tasked to the area.

The search was terminated at 02:00, with all search and rescue assets being stood down, due to strengthening winds, worsening sea conditions and reducing visibility.

At this time no trace of the missing aircraft had been found.

The aircraft departed Nantes at 1915 for Cardiff. The aircraft was flying at 5000 feet. The aircraft on passing Guernsey requested descent. Jersey ATC lost contact whilst it was flying at 2300 feet.

Air Search 1 and a French rescue helicopter based in Cherbourg, resumed the search of the area at 08:00.

V12 22nd Jan 2019 10:07

My understanding is the PA42 was made in both pressurised and unpressurised cabin versions, and piston and turbine single engine variants. Does anyone know for sure which config this one was?

Bowmore 22nd Jan 2019 10:33


Originally Posted by V12 (Post 10367106)
My understanding is the PA42 was made in both pressurised and unpressurised cabin versions, and piston and turbine single engine variants. Does anyone know for sure which config this one was?


Correct with the piston and turbine version, but they both are pressurised. No idea if this was turbine or piston. And it is PA-46, not 42 which is a Cheyenne III or Cheyenne 400.

anchorhold 22nd Jan 2019 11:07

The problem here is those with money who fly as pax do not have the risk mindset of many pilots. In this case single engine, single crew, over water, at night, no immersion suits, operating outside a organisational safety framework which is likely to be in place in larger organisation such as an airline or the military. Added to all this the pressure to get there by the wealthy client or operate in and out of less suitable airfields or landing areas., all of this we have seen before. It would be interesting to see the forecast for this route at 5000 feet, what were the icing conditions, and what icing conditions the aircraft type is cleared for under ' public transport'..

DaveReidUK 22nd Jan 2019 11:09


Originally Posted by Bowmore (Post 10367119)
Correct with the piston and turbine version, but they both are pressurised. No idea if this was turbine or piston.

Guernsey Police referred to the missing aircraft as "a single turbine aircraft", suggesting it's a P46T - either a Malibu Meridian or a DLX.

Slightly more accurate than the Daily Mirror's "private jet". :ugh:

lilflyboy262...2 22nd Jan 2019 11:19

We went into EGJB about an hour or so before this happened.
​​​​​​Was a bit of icing around from 3000-5000ft. Some random windshear around 2000-2500. But nothing untoward.
Cloud tops were overcast from about 5-6000ft
Weather certainly wasn't VFR.

I'm more inclined to ask why a single engine piston/turboprop was flying in the clouds at low level over the English Channel at night, in IMC, in winter.

Luc Lion 22nd Jan 2019 11:40

They were obviously flying VFR at such an altitude.
I wonder why ; I don't think there are many P46T without de-ice boots ...

MATELO 22nd Jan 2019 11:41


Originally Posted by lilflyboy262...2 (Post 10367156)
We went into EGJB about an hour or so before this happened.
​​​​​​Was a bit of icing around from 3000-5000ft. Some random windshear around 2000-2500. But nothing untoward.
Cloud tops were overcast from about 5-6000ft
Weather certainly wasn't VFR.

I'm more inclined to ask why a single engine piston/turboprop was flying in the clouds at low level over the English Channel at night, in IMC, in winter.


The aircraft departed Nantes at 1915 for Cardiff. The aircraft was flying at 5000 feet. The aircraft on passing Guernsey requested descent. Jersey ATC lost contact whilst it was flying at 2300 feet.
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/uk-...eague-15712977

lilflyboy262...2 22nd Jan 2019 11:48


Originally Posted by MATELO (Post 10367176)

I don't get your point in linking me to this article.

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vanHorck 22nd Jan 2019 11:49

Requesting a descent from 5000ft and contact lost at 2300 in a Malibu could suggest a non IFR qualified pilot? With the tops not much higher an IFR pilot would have first tried to outclimb any icing?

Runnerbean 22nd Jan 2019 11:51

Anyone have information re the registration yet?
 
I'm fervently hoping this wasn't a recent M-Class.

strake 22nd Jan 2019 12:01

FR24 has no record of the flight meaning 'too low or very old transponder'. As, apparently it had been flying at 5000ft earlier on the flight, one presumes it's either the latter reason, the transponder was u/s from Nantes or it just wasn't turned on.

Seems strange that anyone would allow a 'commercial' flight under such circumstances so I wonder if it was a mate doing a 'favour'?

MATELO 22nd Jan 2019 12:11


Originally Posted by lilflyboy262...2 (Post 10367183)
I don't get your point in linking me to this article.

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I wasn't linking you, I was replying to your post which advised of weather conditions. From the article quoted it give details of heights pertinent to the info you mentioned.
I supplied the link as some posters like to see where quotes come from.

Runnerbean 22nd Jan 2019 12:36

BBC contributor not helpful
 
Alistair Rosenschein who gave a (doubtless paid-for) opinion for today's World at One on BBC R4 clearly has little or no knowledge of GA - surely they could have found someone a bit better informed?


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