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Hi all!
On july the 3rd I had my assessment day 1 and I passed it.
I received a mail stating that no slots were available for day 2 and that they will be in touch with me soon.
Any idea how long could take that?

Regards

Angelo26

VJW	14th July 2018 15:08

Angelo how is it you were waiting for a day 3 simulator assessment December 2016, and now you're being made to start everything again? I thought you passed then and had entered the pool?!

klm1234

14th July 2018 19:45

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Originally Posted by angelo26 (Post 10196541)

I am waiting as well! I passed mine on the 2nd of July!

angelo26

14th July 2018 20:06

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Originally Posted by VJW (Post 10196575)

Angelo how is it you were waiting for a day 3 simulator assessment December 2016, and now you're being made to start everything again? I thought you passed then and had entered the pool?!

Hi!
Unfortunately i didn't passed the sim assessment and yes I have to do everything from the beginning.

Regards

Angelo26

Bjdm18

14th July 2018 22:25

Result day 1

Quote:

Originally Posted by angelo26 (Post 10196541)

Hi gents!

Recently completed my day 1 assessment. Does anyone know when you’ll get the result?

Cheers!

Mizar

15th July 2018 19:58

Hi All,

any recommendations on where to stay around lhr b&b, guest houses and so on for the ground school of the training.

cheers
mizar

NLP	16th July 2018 07:52

Hi Mizar,

I would reccomend the Premier Inn at terminal 4. It's the most convenient option imo. Get yourself a business account and the standby rate is £51,-. If you're lucky and book early you can get the non-flexible rate for £29,- (that's not via the business website). It's a 20 min walk to the training centre or 5 mins by car/bus. Rooms on 2nd and 3rd floor have fridges and irons.

wiggy

16th July 2018 15:59

I think Mizar will need his/her BA e-mail account to be up and running before he can get a business account..and I’d second the advice about checking the general public rates before making a business booking.

fullhouse

16th July 2018 19:27

Hi,

Does anyone know if on joining BA you are issued a company flight/nav bag?

Cheers

FullWings

16th July 2018 20:46

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Originally Posted by fullhouse (Post 10198340)

Hi,

Does anyone know if on joining BA you are issued a company flight/nav bag?

Cheers

Not now as far as I’m aware (I did get given a plastic one 28 years ago, so standards are slipping ;))

You do get a company iPad, which is much lighter considering the amount of charts it contains...

Thegreenmachine

17th July 2018 04:40

Has anyone been invited for a sim assessment? Please send me a PM if so.

wiggy

17th July 2018 10:24

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Originally Posted by fullhouse (Post 10198340)

Hi,

Does anyone know if on joining BA you are issued a company flight/nav bag?

I’ll admit for some reason :oh: that comment made me chuckle....

As has been said you get issued an iPad and a uniform, luggage etc is down to the individual...

VinRouge

18th July 2018 05:18

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Originally Posted by wiggy (Post 10198710)

I’ll admit for some reason :oh: that comment made me chuckle....

As has been said you get issued an iPad and a uniform, luggage etc is down to the individual...

you can claim tax back on flight cases as it's a business expense. Same with any active noise reduction headphones for use whilst deadheading or in augmented rest. Sun glasses too.

Speak to.your Balpa rep.

overstress

18th July 2018 09:49

VinRouge, I think that's covered by the BALPA negotiated FREA (Fixed Rate Expense Allowance) - no individual items will be claimable. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

wiggy

18th July 2018 09:54

https://www.gov.uk/hmrc-internal-man...anual/eim50051

(BA provide noise cancelling headsets on the flight deck)

As far as flight cases and HMRC are concerned, like overstress I've always thought that was covered by the FREA : "the industry wide FRE for airline pilots, and other flight deck crew (see EIM50052) does not include anything for items of normal luggage, although the pilot’s flight case is included"... that's from:

https://www.gov.uk/hmrc-internal-man...anual/eim50055

angelo26

19th July 2018 15:32

Hi all,
I have just booked stage 2.

P.s.
I have a UK CAA issued licence but I want to renew my type rating in Italy with an Italian SFE.
Do you know what forms and what documents will be requested by the UK CAA.

Sorry for the Offtopic.

Regards,

Angelo26

GetTheQRH

25th July 2018 13:21

The BA website list all their salaries as 'Competitive' which makes it hard to try and make any sort of judgement on when deciding to move there from another airline.

Does anyone know what the Year 1 DEP FO (probably LGW) salary is? PilotJobsNetwork says £58,864 but not entirely sure how accurate this is.
TIA

Dupre

25th July 2018 13:38

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Originally Posted by GetTheQRH (Post 10205780)

That figure is very accurate.

cessnapete

25th July 2018 14:15

I have a mate DEP on LH type LHR based, joined couple or so years ago. Nearer £70G now with all the add ons.

RexBanner

25th July 2018 14:32

Repeating Dupre’s Post the figure is very accurate. Yes all in you’re potentially looking at over £70k but that very much depends on many factors now that they’ve taken away the fixed flying pay. For instance sickness, multiple reserve periods that aren’t particularly busy, months with leave and/or pre-assignments, they’ll all dent your take home. Plus if you’re looking to buy a property you can forget borrowing against the variable elements of the salary any more (at least not until you’ve been with the company for two years and can produce twelve months of payslips and even then banks will only take into account half of it). So that figure is very relevant despite being seduced by the extras.

8029848s

25th July 2018 17:47

It would take you 28 years in BA to break even with Easyjet in terms of total income based on time scale to command as it stands.

All depends on what you want from life / a job.

BA is not the answer for all.

EllanVannin

25th July 2018 18:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by 8029848s (Post 10206022)

It would take you 28 years in BA to break even with Easyjet in terms of total income based on time scale to command as it stands.

.

Absolute nonsense.

You can make all kinds of assumptions about things like time to command, time to long haul, whether you should include the roughly 1000 GBP/month downroute allowances BA pilots get paid that easyjet guys to not, the fact the BA total pension contribution is around 50% higher than easyjet, easyjet loyalty bonus, money earned per actual day at work etc. We could argue those things till we are bored to tears. Lies, damned lies and statistics (and all that). Frankly you can argue it both ways.

However, how on earth you came up with 28 years to break even takes some doing.

geardown1

27th July 2018 17:10

Response Time

Hey guys, does anyone know how long they take for any initial response, after the submitting CV part? I got the immediate email to say the application was in, but is there a standard response time?

Thanks!

RexBanner

27th July 2018 22:27

Not on PP34 you don’t.

8029848s

27th July 2018 22:52

Its not rocket science guys...use excel......2/3 years to a command in Easy Jet Ryanair, considerably longer in BA to achieve the four figures in BA which is actually on SH command below the others carriers and yes...bingo...28 years plus or minus.

Ok the pension in BA is slightly better but we are almost identical on BA SH in terms of hours / productivity than Easy Jet / Ryanair.

If you live in the regions, even Jet2 makes more sense unless you crave long haul...in which join Virgin and have 5 days rather than 1/2 off before your next flight in BA.

Trust me...at the present caps, and we are 400 pilots short, you are highly likely to be ill, fatigued, or divorced in BA if things continue as they are.

SinBin

27th July 2018 23:28

It’s not that bad at BA, shall we steer the thread back to BA DEP recruitment as opposed an easy v ba v jet2 thread, there are other places for that. If it’s money you’re after go and fly in China. BA has a new CC, so things may or may not get interesting over the next few months. DEP recruitment opened up again, now requiring just 100 sectors with a TR which satisfies the ZFT requirement. This may or may not be less than 500 hours.

RexBanner

28th July 2018 08:31

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Originally Posted by 8029848s (Post 10208095)

unless you crave long haul...in which join Virgin and have 5 days rather than 1/2 off before your next flight in BA.

Maybe on the 787 with all the engine issues at the moment. Certainly not true for the guys on the A330 and this is before all the issues with the 787 engines kicked off. Trip two days off, trip two days off was certainly true for the Airbus roster that I saw at VS. Plus do you really think it’s a secure place to work now Branson has sold it? Even when he owned it if you were bouncing around the bottom of the seniority list you were in dire peril whenever someone so much as sneezed on Wall St.

bex88

28th July 2018 13:43

I have been looking at the whole BA/EZY deal for a while. I ran the figures a few days ago and it takes 21 years at BA to match the basic at EZY including their loyalty bonus. (SH Captain on PP34) Allowances are roughly similar so forget that one. The difference is pension. BA offer me 16.5% (avc’s you see) where EZY offer you 7%. Essentially BA pay a lower basic but your pension or deferred pay is greater. If I were to change one thing about my position it would be to live closer to Heathrow. The commute is crap but honestly I can’t live around London. That leaves a commute. It’s only just over an hour but it’s a ball ache. Live near London I would take BA. Live near a regional airport I would take a LOCO with the hope of a base move one day. BA is a good company generally but if you are not fussed with LH or don’t like living out of a suit case or a Van in a truck stop then there are better options.

Saw that managed path has opened which is great news.

3Greens

28th July 2018 13:46

virgin has 750 hour annual limit, so there’s a slight advantage there. Absolute gold dust that kind of contract these day.

Barcli

28th July 2018 13:55

bex88 said "Saw that managed path has opened which is great news. "
Whats that then ?

wiggy

28th July 2018 14:16

It’s the specific pathway/scheme for those joining from the military (and yes I agree with bex...it is good news)...

https://careers.ba.com/military-scheme

zero/zero

28th July 2018 14:19

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Originally Posted by 3Greens (Post 10208518)

virgin has 750 hour annual limit, so there’s a slight advantage there. Absolute gold dust that kind of contract these day.

And then last year they posted a loss in pretty favourable industry conditions. We’ll see how long the contract lasts

4engines4longhaul

28th July 2018 15:59

Well the 750 limit has been here for the 22 years I have been at Virgin, and management have stated they are quite happy with this arrangement

Dupre

29th July 2018 03:30

Bringing the thread back to BA DEP issues.....

I'd like to add a couple of links that might be useful for anyone going to a simulator assessment, if you have never seen a Lido chart before. (in the sim, I found the assessors to be really helpful, but I still found it useful to know where to look on the chart for critical things like MSA, DA/MDA etc).

Approach charts:

SIDs:

STARs:

zero/zero

29th July 2018 05:26

Has any in the latest recruitment drive been offered start dates or is it still long term swimmers?

RexBanner

29th July 2018 11:34

All I know is we need you guys on board ASAP. Caps ridiculously high for months now.

SinBin

29th July 2018 11:51

And the more we get, the better it becomes!

hunterboy

29th July 2018 12:44

Dupre...Many thanks for the links to the Lido videos. There was more tuition there than I received from BA on
the use of the Lido charts. I certainly learnt a thing or two.

captain.weird

29th July 2018 13:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by zero/zero (Post 10208997)

Has any in the latest recruitment drive been offered start dates or is it still long term swimmers?

Are there a lot of swimmers now then?

pilotting

30th July 2018 11:03

Hi guys,
Been browsing the internet, but could not get any info on the BA rosters.
Can anyone tell how many days you can expect to be off on LH and SH per month?
I assume this will also differ in summer season and winter season?

Thanks!

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