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Originally Posted by Jwscud
(Post 10129538)
Just for info, around 110 DEPs taken on so far this year, with around 70 going to the Boeing long haul fleets. No info at the moment on how many more planned. https://jobs.ba.com/jobs/vacancy/dir...9/description/ |
Is the recruitment process still the same?
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How much is Brexit going to influence working at BA in the future. Looking from the perspective of joining around this time?
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Originally Posted by Always Try Reset
(Post 10131540)
How much is Brexit going to influence working at BA in the future. Looking from the perspective of joining around this time?
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WW has always said Brexit will have limited effect on IAG. He's never (as far as I am aware) specifically said how he thinks it will alter BA's bottom line, but BA currently provides the vast majority of IAG's profits, so he either expects this to continue or that the other airlines within the group will take over. There are many who believe Brexit will result in a huge hit to BA's premium customer base, but that all depends on what Brexit actually means. Personally, I think the negotiations will continue for such a lengthy period of time with no real direction, that people will just get bored of it all and businesses will either bumble along without any innovative plans for the future, or they will leave the UK and get on with growing.
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Brexit and BA: nobody knows (or if they do they are not saying anything). Brexit is just one of many variables that could effect recruiting next year. |
Can anyone advise on the thinking behind requiring a type rating (any) and 500hrs for the latest round, when the expense of a TR course would be needed for most recruits anyway? Could it be that ‘fresh’ fATPL holders typically fail more TR courses or line training, or is it about speeding up line training and reducing the need for training captains? |
As far as I understand it, the type rating requirement covers the candidate for ZFT training which I suppose is where BA are coming from. As far as the recruitment process goes (for those that have moaned about it), I was as fierce a critic of this as any having failed the computer aptitude tests twice. However I discovered on the third attempt at it that they just required some preparation and work (indeed that goes for the whole process). Any commercial pilot worth a grain of salt can pass them given the effort and application, I know because I’m living proof. So if you really want to work for BA then you might have to work for it, nothing wrong with that. |
Thanks Rex. I hadn’t thought of the ZFT angle. Where does the TR requirement leave military pilots with >500hrs ME who would otherwise be eligible for ZFT though? Seems to exclude them somewhat arbitrarily.
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Easy street. If you're a Service Pilot in the Royal Air Force, Royal Navy, Royal Marines or Army Air Corps, you can apply via our Managed Path – Direct Entry Pilot Scheme (lifted from the experienced pilots recruitment page) I am not sure this is currently active for the current recruitment as it does specify a type rating. Under the requirements it just says a type rating and 500 flying hours. It does not specify what type rating as it’s open recruitment to both SH and LH and the hours do not state on type. I would assume they would love a load of type rated pilots with hours for DEP money and a minimum training footprint. However they are probably relatively few in number. I would say you need to get in contact with LC or LA or any other inside contact you have to ask some questions. I do fly with a good number of relatively recent ex military recruits. |
Some ex Service pilots joined BA LH, 744, 787.777,A380 on the last tranche as DEP. Mainly ex Voyager as they get EASA A330/350 TR in RAF ,as conversion by Air Tanker use civilian pilots. Hence ZFT qualified. (Had to have done their ALTP exams in spare time of course)
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Originally Posted by cessnapete
(Post 10132403)
Some ex Service pilots joined BA LH, 744, 787.777,A380 on the last tranche as DEP. Mainly ex Voyager as they get EASA A330/350 TR in RAF ,as conversion by Air Tanker use civilian pilots. Hence ZFT qualified. (Had to have done their ALTP exams in spare time of course)
Problem with waiting for managed path, its only opened about 3 times in the time I served and doesnt really offer that much more to the applicant than offered as part of DEP these days.And yes, 14 ATPL plus the joys of completing the CPL Skills and IR on a twin piston...... |
Pity the days are gone when we took a ride as a civvy IRE in a Herc or Tristar to qualify the RAF guys for a civil IR. We all flew the same Airways!!
Common sense departs again. Although prob didn't do the Service pilot retention stats much help. |
Originally Posted by VinRouge
[on the last recruitment cycle] a fair few C17, A400M and Herc mates without the Type Rating too, taken on via DEP, whom will also qualify for ZFT (effectively you get an unfrozen ATPL upon completion of the Type rating with the company, hours dependent).
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Originally Posted by Easy Street
(Post 10132511)
These are the people who I think will feel unfairly excluded by the TR requirement this time round. I don’t fall into the category but I wonder if the TR requirement can be ‘overlooked’ for those that do... Current type rating and a minimum of 500 flying hours (not including simulator time) on a Zero Flight Time (ZFT) qualifying aircraft, ideally with flying experience on this type within the past 12 months. Preference for the longhaul fleets will be given to those currently flying a jet type with a MTOM of 25 tonnes or greater and holding an unfrozen ATPL (A) NB - for information on the EASA ZFT requirement please refer to CAP 804 section FCL.730.A. |
BA Day 1
Can anyone share the current day 1 tests for BA these days. I went 4 years ago but I believe there have been some changes to the tests recently?? Any advice much appreciated. 😃 |
Originally Posted by Don Logan
(Post 10138906)
Can anyone share the current day 1 tests for BA these days. I went 4 years ago but I believe there have been some changes to the tests recently?? Any advice much appreciated. 😃 |
Originally Posted by kendrick47247
(Post 10139665)
Does this mean people have started to be offered assessments for the DEP application?
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Anyone else having issues with the on line application form?
I can fill in the type rating section just fine, but it will not let me answer the 3 questions below. It doesn't let me click in the box to type out my answers. |
Originally Posted by kendrick47247
(Post 10144780)
Seems like all has gone quiet until the application closes? Perhaps they're waiting to see how successful all the A320 interviews go
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Anyone has done the first day selection in the last year? There is some talk of some of it having changed, but I can't find something concrete.
I did the selection 3 years ago when it was verbal and numerical reasoning, the multitasking test with ATC and system monitoring, and the multitasking crosshairs/countdown/shapes ? Does anyone know if this is still the case? Cheers! :ok: |
Originally Posted by NukeHunt
(Post 10144423)
Anyone else having issues with the on line application form?
I can fill in the type rating section just fine, but it will not let me answer the 3 questions below. It doesn't let me click in the box to type out my answers. |
Originally Posted by Redthruster
(Post 10145001)
Yeah I'm having exactly the same issue. Just been on hold to BA I.T. dept for over an hour but no one is answering! Any idea when the closing date is, can't find it on the application.
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Originally Posted by Shadyxc1
(Post 10145516)
Did you have any luck getting this sorted? Fill in your hours. Use the Tab key to move the cursor down. |
Originally Posted by Redthruster
(Post 10145001)
Yeah I'm having exactly the same issue. Just been on hold to BA I.T. dept for over an hour but no one is answering! Any idea when the closing date is, can't find it on the application.
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Originally Posted by The Foss
(Post 10146488)
I got an email offering an assessment but when I click to book it says “no entries”. Has anyone had any experience of this? Do they email you when more dates become available or do you just need to keep checking it yourself? |
Originally Posted by The Foss
(Post 10146488)
I got an email offering an assessment but when I click to book it says “no entries”. Has anyone had any experience of this? Do they email you when more dates become available or do you just need to keep checking it yourself? |
BA application should be carefully considered and not rushed.HR department can recognise that immediately. |
QUOTE=The Foss;10147068] I think there was only the odd place on those dates as I know a guy who booked onto one of them a week or so ago. I could see three as soon as I got the email then by the time I’d checked when I could make it (only 10 mins or so) all were gone. Sent an email too. I am having the same issues. Checked it couple of time it still show “no entries so far” |
Can anyone recommend what to use to prep for day 1, latestpilotjobs.com any good?
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More dates available now.
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Originally Posted by AIMINGHIGH123
(Post 10147447)
What so you’re saying because I had everything ready for when it opened this is rushed? Anyone who is in the industry who is interested would have known it was opening. Last time I missed out, work got in the way and I spent ages getting everything ready then they closed it early!!! Rushed!! No just had everything prepared. |
I should not even be on this thread, but, as an early retired and inconsequential Canadian, who flew numerous general aviation aircraft, and numerous airliners, mostly for charter operators (think britannia, monarch, and the like), long haul and short haul, big and narrowbody, and one asian national carrier doing long haul, I must say that being a pilot in the UK sounds awfully complicated. And yes, have flown into the UK numerous times, along with the rest of Europe. Just part of the job.
After a fair amount of outright bankruptcies, mass layoffs, and constant seasonal layoffs, it just so turned out that I had to get many new type ratings with the new employer, and all paid by the employer. So, none of this type rated requirement was going on. At the end of the day, it was just another airplane to learn. People of my ilk actually got fed up by going onto yet another course, just to fulfill employment requirements. The two main carriers here, and, all of the American carriers, hire non type rated pilots all the time, and they provide all of the training. However, there are no cadet programs, people tend to have at the very least, 2000 to 5000 hours of flying time in anything that flies. Even if you had a type rating on one of their aircraft, it would mean little or nothing, since initial job awards are solely based on seniority driven openings. I feel for you guys, aviation life in Britain sounds very hard........... Cheers |
Nope. Born in Canada and it is the only passport I have. So could never work in Europe in any case, pointless to even pursue an EASA/JAA/UK license or type rating. Do have two european born parents though, so I could have gotten the passport at least, but again, no point since I was installed in a life and a job over here.
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Can any swimmers confirm if there has been any comms to the holdpool of late? I received an email back in Feb informing me that other people had been offered jobs (something about salt and wounds). 2 years of swimming now and no idea if i’ve a gold badge or indeed drowned. Have I missed the most recent Webinar? |
Hi guys,
This is my first time getting through to the first assessment. For those that have done it before, it is similar to the way other airlines programme their computer based tests or is it something totally different? cheers. |
Originally Posted by JV
(Post 10148968)
I should not even be on this thread, but, as an early retired and inconsequential Canadian, who flew numerous general aviation aircraft, and numerous airliners, mostly for charter operators (think britannia, monarch, and the like), long haul and short haul, big and narrowbody, and one asian national carrier doing long haul, I must say that being a pilot in the UK sounds awfully complicated. And yes, have flown into the UK numerous times, along with the rest of Europe. Just part of the job.
After a fair amount of outright bankruptcies, mass layoffs, and constant seasonal layoffs, it just so turned out that I had to get many new type ratings with the new employer, and all paid by the employer. So, none of this type rated requirement was going on. At the end of the day, it was just another airplane to learn. People of my ilk actually got fed up by going onto yet another course, just to fulfill employment requirements. The two main carriers here, and, all of the American carriers, hire non type rated pilots all the time, and they provide all of the training. However, there are no cadet programs, people tend to have at the very least, 2000 to 5000 hours of flying time in anything that flies. Even if you had a type rating on one of their aircraft, it would mean little or nothing, since initial job awards are solely based on seniority driven openings. I feel for you guys, aviation life in Britain sounds very hard........... Cheers Not complicated at all! It’s a buyers market at the moment lots of recruitment too few pilots. Most Legacy airlines have a well trodden recruitment process to get the best applicants and weed out the weak. In the UK we even take on non type rated pilots with 250 ish total hours out of reputable training schools and put them straight onto A320/B737 types. |
Originally Posted by cessnapete
(Post 10149532)
J V Not complicated at all! It’s a buyers market at the moment lots of recruitment too few pilots. Most Legacy airlines have a well trodden recruitment process to get the best applicants and weed out the weak. In the UK we even take on non type rated pilots with 250 ish total hours out of reputable training schools and put them straight onto A320/B737 types. |
Can anyone confirm the current time to command on long haul in BA? Many thanks.
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