What is the pay for DEC's?

Music to the managements ears! I'm not criticising but this is why Jet2 get away with paying so little. However:

... is also why Jet2 will always have a very high attrition rate and hence why 60% admitted they see themselves leaving within 2 years.

510orbust

You state the FO wage is £42932. You then say after the pittance that is paid during line training you are then on the full pay which would equate to over £50000. I can't see how you work this out even with sector pay.

Management Laugh
 

Everytime someone has a positive opinion they must be management. I am not management, but on the other hand, I am not like 60 percent of the people on here that need a good cry and moan.......

Butthead
 

With a name like that its no wonder you cant figure out how F/O's make 50000 a year.

Butt head, you tell me what you think is a fair wage for a direct entry type rated F/O

You will also notice Butt Head, he said before becoming qualified!!!!

Again people not understanding what people are saying!!!!!

I have been in Jet2 for over three years now and i can say that generally they are a good employer. Yes there is a reduced wage whilst you are training but have you looked at what is happening at easyjet or ryanair and their pay to fly schemes? The salarys at Jet2 do need improving and i think that management are beginning to see that, as the company is growing it now needs to develop its terms and conditions to become a career airline as the training inconvenience as well as cost will become to much to manage on a yearly basis with the size of the airline. As others have said it is a friendly airline to work for and really does have its good points, all it needs is to grow out of its teenage years and mature and it will be great.

510orbust

Crikey man. Take a deep breath!! I am not about to get into a slanging match with you or name calling. I asked a genuine question as to how you make up over £7000 on the basic. This cannot be sector pay alone. If you can sell days off then fair enough but hence why the question was asked.

As for your question to me, the average (fair) wage for a type rated DE experienced FO in the UK for a 737/757/A320 type job is around the £48-50k mark + sector pay & benefits. That's based on what the likes of Monarch, EasyJet, TCX, Thomson, bmi, DHL pay.

And you've gotta love:

And not forgetting, the title...

510 and flat broke -
(*Delete as applicable)
*Jet2 Accounts / *Management / *Desperate / *Out of Work / *From Another Planet / *Paying To Fly / *15 years of age

A matter of weeks (I would suspect a lot more with the amount of on-going training and Trainer availability) or not, it's professionally humilitaing, degrading and everything that is wrong with the UK aviation industry...and as a Pro Pilot you are supporting it?!? Mr Meeson saw you coming didn't he...

As things improve and as various strike ballots begin to appear, Jet2 will either change or be nothing more than a training environment for those who can't afford the easJet MPL scheme...

P.s If you leave in a few years for a better paid job, we'd all love to hear about it!

T/C
 

Jet2 is also the new boy on the block in regards to the other airlines mentioned, and as the other gent said, they will mature, and in my opinion for the better.

With all thats included, and the pension, which to me is part of the wage, it equates to just over 50k on the 100 percent contract.

I have the perfect base (for me), my work schedule allows me to have a life, there are NO deep over nights (latest is the mail run), no 4 am starts, home every night (no hotels), so to me all is good. All these things are worth well over a base pay of 50k plus benefits.

How do you put a price on being home every night. I think people need to look at the big picture and not just the once mighty shrinking pound.

Oh Mr. moderator, again talking out of the huge two way orifice, as soon as someone comments on something they know nothing about, it shows me the amount of intellect. Commenting on my financial status, if it makes you feel better to believe I am broke then go for it. Maybe I took Jet2 because I am not, and I don't need the money, guess you will never know LOL

Moderator = lonely old man sitting on top of his cyber sand pile with nothing better to do than play on a PC. Get a hobby, I would start with a life personally!

Glad it suits you 510, but 60% of pilots don't agree!!!

I'm with you 510orbust!

Jet2 is a pleasant place to work, good people to fly with, a not-too-taxing roster and home every night.

Yes, we all could do with some more money, but I'd much rather work for Jet2 than any other LoCo and (as I can't be bothered negotiating the M25 every time I go to work) domestically it works a lot better than a LHR or LGW position.

Of course it remains to be seen how things will/may change as the airline grows, but so far I'm happy!:ok:

It was a pun on your PPRuNe name, not your financial status - a bit subtle for you maybe...

We'll leave it there as 510orbust has reduced it to nothing more than pathetic childish comments...

Cheers
JB

60 percent
 

Hey three bars, no matter which company someone works for there will always be someone that is not happy, that thinks the grass is greener, or that has only worked for one airline, and really has no idea what other companies are like.

Many are leaving for the Sand Pit, yet how many guys are there wishing they were back in the UK? I know guys that went to BA that are not happy there either.

This 60 percent figure, where did you get it? did you ask 10 guys and six said they were not happy, or did you talk to all the hundreds of pilots and ask them?

Again personally I don't put numbers or say things on this forum that I am not 100 percent sure about. I am also a huge believer in, "if you are not happy fix it"

yes Mr. moderator you are correct, would not want childish comments on here would we!

510 - 60% figure from Balpa...you're obviously not a member!

I've worked with many different airlines and yes, none are perfect, but you must accept that perhaps Jet2 won't suit everyone.:ugh:

Also, I'm Fixing it!

Balpa
 

I am a member actually, again talking about something you are not sure about!

I wish you all the best in your new job and I hope it makes you happy.

PS. Instead of using figures that you found off a website, I would suggest asking the guys you fly with and getting the information first hand!

Thanks for the advice. Like JB, I've had enough of you...you must be a barrel of laughs to fly with. :E

Sandy pit, take me away from this madness :ugh:

510...You say you don't post anything unless your 100% sure....So

"As far as the comment that says, they are not accepting people that used to work for the company, its not true, people are returning that realized the grass is not always greener in different pastures"

My comment was in relation to one of the flightcrew that got right "royally" shafted when J2 closed the Stansted base. Even though he was type rated...TWE didn't want him...obviously his type rating was good enough for B.A though :ok:

And the Company is mature, not a new boy on the block as you state...read/investigate the history of Dart group and its origins from a north London car park flogging 2CV's to BMW 3 series on the Fulham Rd to Regional Airways...onto Twin Otters from Cardiff...Furniture Vans stuffed with flowers from Bournemouth up to Covent Garden...The movement of a Herald airframe with no engines to start up the Channel Islands air cargo routes....It all has one common thread...A business man who uses the same modus operandi of a second hand car salesman...and that is not a knock at PM...because it works...Its just that some costs he can control..i.e you, others he can't Fuel...He can hedge all he wants....Have fuel tables for crews and special planning procedures..but at the end of the day...the gas guzzling classics will have to make way for next gen technology and that will cost you big time...If your happy with your T+C's great...but they saw you coming and always will and that attitude won't change which is why the turnover of crew continues...Just remember when Human Remains pro-actively engages with you..... you're a cost not an asset !

No it's not! It's a benefit. It's extra. Is your staff car parking space part of your annual wage? Private healthcare? Loss of licence? If I go for a job and they say 'the starting wage is £50k' I don't expect pension contributions to be part of that. You tried to make me look silly by saying I couldn't figure out how an FO makes 50k a year at Jet2 out of a basic wage of £43k. Forgive me for not including pension and benefits in the wage packet. The only thing I do agree with is that money certainly isn't everything and if you're happy then good for you but 60% of your colleagues think otherwise for a reason.

Freightdoggy dog puts it very well and knows the company better than most.

Shafted
 

Who do you work for Butt head?
Freight Doggy who do you work for?

When did you guys last work for Jet2?


Life assurance yes
Do I pay for staff parking no

510 or bust
 

much that i applaud the loyalty to your employer i must say that you have risen to the bait! As i have said before generally Jet2 is a good employer BUT as in any workplace improvements can be made. Yes as someone else has pointed out it comes from an old and bit of an arthur dayley background but the model works! Just a few tweaks and it will be really good.

JB007 i am a little dissapointed in your reaction and almost aggressive posts, yes 510 did cross the line but as a moderator you should perhaps moderate your reaction, after all you have the power to edit or remove, the rest of us do not.

now...for those who are interested in the topic of this thread, Jet2 are recruiting, the choice is yours, personally i like it :-)

'510orbust' got the replies he deserved quite frankly - it's great Jet2.com works for people and the expansion plans for the holiday business are great news. With the amount of people they now employ, I hope it's a success.

But don't come on here defending Jet2's attitude to pilots with it's T & C's with comments like 'Get Real...' - they are the worsed jet terms in the United Kingdom - FACT! And as long as they can keep employing people who are deficient in worldy wisdom and understanding, showing unaffected simplicity towards what they are offering as anywhere near acceptable, nothing will change industry wide...

If you're out of work, it's simply better than nothing...

Well i've been here for over 5 years and yes some of the smaller things could so easily be better. But i do about 500 hours a year for just under £3,000 a month, and i am left alone to get on with my job, as are my friends and colleagues who are all nice decent folk. Just my observation based upon what i have seen.

A question... about requirements for non type rated DECs, the Jet2 website says:

"A minimum of 3,000 flying hours, of which 1,000 hours must be command time on a medium to heavy commercial or military multi-crew, multi-engine jet or heavy multi-crew, multi-engine turbo-prop aircraft"

Does anybody know what their cut off point for a "heavy" turboprop is? Would this mean aircraft like the Hercules or Electra, or would a Q400 be "heavy" enough at 29,000Kgs?

Thanks in advance.

Does anyone know if you need to have completed your mcc to apply to jet2?

They set a DEC on who was J41 skipper at Eastern so if you are interested just go for it :)

This is second hand info, but no I dont think he did. Some Hawker right seat time with Netjets I believe.

Can anyone in Jet2 inform me if they insist on 1000 hours jet command time for DEC? I currently have 500 command on A319/A320, but i am type rated on 737NG with 750 hrs RHS, 6000 TT. Only really interested in a NCL base.

Cheers

Don't hold your breath
 

With 7500 hours on the B737 (5000 in command) I put an application into Jet2 at the start of the year, apart from the email to say they had receved the application I have had no further contact.

I can only think that they don't need pilots or the personel department can't get it's act together.

A and C, many applications seemed to go astray I believe a new system is being put in place in an effort to prevent this in the future.

Max power flap78

So if they are losing online applications what is the point recruiting online?

Will they answer the phone if you call them?

A and C - My guess is that you are "too experienced" to really be bothered with them in the long, or even short, term and they know it. Just a guess though...

4 Screw
 

Thanks for the info about the applications that go missing I was surprized that I had not got even a "no thank you" note from Jet2.

In the end it was all for the best as I now have a LGW based job so no need to buy a flat cap & whippet.

Yeah, I mean, Heaven forbid anyone tries to improve their lot by starting a business. That surely must be gross misconduct..........:mad:

What was so bad about it? Did she call it Jet1.com or something?

And why was she sacked? The website seems OK.

No obvious conflict of interest, so I'm a little confused. Lots of people in our industry have such businesses on the side. Not saying I agree with the need for them, or some of their motives, but this is not exactly a hanging offence.

Or is it?

510orbust...Why do you ask ?

And because you ask then you don't know Jet2 and never will.....Lets just say I'm now involved in the major uncontrollable cost in Aviation and smile when I see the facts go across my desk . I am thankful that I can pick and choose and that OGEM is where its at...

Arthur Daley economics...luv it...I can see the bunting hanging outside LFFH now...Classic 737's never raced or rallied with a quick spray over/ filler and a new m.o.t, sold by a slick salesman who has been a GDF' er

As for running a business on the side....plenty of that going on from aircraft brokering offshore , G.S equipment sold to Gadafi Duck, Engineering manpower contractors....It is the way of the world, some are better at doing it than others. I mean who would flog Spanish chocolate off a market barrow...I'm sure J.L is a lot happier running her own show.

Tut tut A+C, 7000 Hrs on B737 Classics and NG...and an ex-employee...you know full well where that application went when e-mailed to Human Remains. I mean, they were sending mobile phone texts to the Stansted flight crew today ( they were made redundant 14 months ago) asking if they could come in tomorrow and help out with the volcano flight disruptions :ugh:

Yes it needs tweaking Tonker...The herd definitely needs trimming...time for the thrusting young bucks to come up with another 5 year plan lol !

Blimey, after not hearing anything for months, I've finally got a PFO email today !!.

They claim they had over 3,000 applicants from the last round of recruitment.

In that case there's something not right with the Jet2 assessment/recruitment process because I've heard from the inside that they've really been scraping the barrel in terms of who they can recruit due to the lack of suitable pilots, resulting in some problems and chopping going on in initial training. I refuse to believe that if there were 3000 applications.

I guess it's more a case of a lack of suitable applicants who were also prepared to pay for a type rating and/or be bonded and/or be on a crappy 70% contract.

Got the same e-mail today......
it is the second in a couple of weeks, this one asking me to reapply in July(the first one said to do it in June) as they were not able to progress my application further due to the high number of applicants.
Let's try again! :ugh:

'I guess it's more a case of a lack of suitable applicants who were also prepared to pay for a type rating and/or be bonded and/or be on a crappy 70% contract.'

I was one of the very early casualties of the last recruitment drive who gave too many 'no' responses when they were (at first) playing hard ball with regard to the factors mentioned above. I'm sure many other capable and suitably qualified people, who stuck to their guns, also fell by the wayside.

I spoke to their very helpful HR department last week and was told that all recruitment for this year was complete and the next 'drive' would start towards the end of the summer. I was invited to reapply when the system was up and running.

It would appear that if you went out at that awful phone interview stage there appears to be no reason recorded by Jet2's system as to why your application was not progressed.

Those with 757/767 ratings might want to take a look at the latest requirement from BA.

:ok:

Regarding the next intake of pilots later in the year. Do people think they will take on any 250 hour fATPL's. I heard they had but with a large payment for the TR, then they decided to go for the Mil pilots instead.

Is it a case that eventually the Mil & qualified pilot supply will run out and also the fATPL's willing to pay £15000+ for the TR? Whats the chances of them ever taking on low hours recently qualified pilots again and paying their TR's?

Regards