Turbowhat

An interesting question. I am not sure, but my gut feeling is, once your staff travel has been suspended, ( for however long ) regardless whether it is a paper ticket or an e-ticket, you may encounter a problem as your travel will be traceable, I don't know where you are going, if its short or long haul trip, by that I mean if you are in Europe, its not a big deal, if you are some remote island in the Indian Ocean, or the Caribbean, for example,where flights are very restricted and usually oversold, that could cost you some time and expense, so if it looks like a strike may happen, I would have thought, it may be better, for peace of mind, just to buy a standard fare. Clearly, if there is a strike, you won't be paid by Flybe, which may be something to consider. What ever happpens, I hope you have a good holiday.

Perhaps some of the BA Cabin Crew may wish to comment on this one, as they have recent experience of this situation.

A few final reminders from the Prospectus as you consider your ballot.

• Each of the Executive Directors is being awarded options over a significant number of shares within 6 weeks of the float (eg Jim F £500k; Knuckey , Rutter, Strong £250k) (page 223 of prospectus)
• The remuneration of the Directors in the Q and A email dated 27th Jan excludes the significant paper gains that each will of them will have made on the floatation on the shares they bought with the interest free loans. Trust me ..these gains will be big !
• Just in case you've forgotten, page 229 of the prospectus gives each Directors pay by person for 2009/10. If you assume that these figures included significant bonuses (as advised by the Q and A) then the new employment contracts signed by each of the Directors on 9th December (page 229) must surely include a significant increase in their basic pay levels

Not so fair after all is it?

FlyingTinCans

Absolutely spot on. That is why we HAVE to vote no, all of us. There is no way this will lead to a strike.

Remove Staff Travel - well there's a big loss, must remember to use my J ticket before this all kicks off then :rolleyes:

Thanks for the replys chaps!

Guess it's regular tickets for a while! Although with a 6% pay rise I could
Afford to go places without staff travel!

Bluffoldseadog,

I was not aware Flybe had J class travel.

Think you missed the irony there. When we were BACon we got said seat allocation, we miss it to a man, but Flybe's staff travel is not as well regarded or utilised

As for base Captains or managers giving a good kicking to anyone who votes to reject the deal I hope he's got strong boots because if you assume out of 720 pilots that 70-80% are in BALPA then that's around 500 pilots eligible to vote.

If you believe the results of a recent poll on flyingbe then around 90% of those who have voted in that poll have indicated they are rejecting the deal so I reckon the company is facing 450 of the 500 voting pilots saying 'no'.

DP

Bluffosd

Ah, okay.

Excuse the thread drift.... Flybe staff travel is in fact excellent. An agreement with most major airlines you can name, Low Zed travel with Virgin & BA meaning the fare you pay is only slightly more than the ID90 fare an employee with that company would pay. True, we don't have J class staff tickets in our own airline, but then of course we're not BA!

Back to the crap that actually matters...

Its pretty good on company services, its !!!!! for any other worldwide travel!

Methinks we're drifting a bit off topic!

this is such an important subject ..................and the threads drifts to staff travel (thats :mad: anyway ) no surprise why flybe crew got into this state to start with !!!!!!!!!!!!

Think you'll find that most have already voted on this important matter, PPrune is where we vent our spleens not necessarily debate, balpa's forum and, for those that aren't members, the FlyingBE forums are a little more private

Shadow Walker - what else can we say? There will be a NO vote. Crews don't want this pay deal and don't want to be tied to subpart Q as they know that their lives will be changed a lot (for the worst).
There will be industrial action - it's inevitable now.

doodle
you are right of course there will be a NO vote and so it should be. It is such a pity though it could be a good company to work for if it wasnt for the greed of management me thinks!

I do think the result will be a NO vote, however talking to people who know the following points were raised.

EXT pilots seem to vote yes just for a quiet life (happy to be proved wrong but that's what an ext pilot told me)

Management at EXT still seem to feel that pilots are the Bain of their life. They see us as a problem to be dealt with as opposed to a vital and important resource!

Pilot managers lean more towards middle management feelings than their pilot sides.

I felt these demonstrated how pilots at Flybe are considered, more understanding as to the type of deal that would ever be offered!!

I have not met anybody in ext crewroom who have voted yes!!!

Come on then people, what's it going to take for a Yes vote?

15% over 3years, no SPS, end of lates to earlies, extra leave??!

A minimum of RPI, uncapped, over the next three years would do it for me.

Mind you I don't work there anymore.

I know Cathy is a great airline, but Flybe seem to have done very well for a UK company, workforce however still seem to get screwed!!

Cathay Pilot Union accepted 15% increase, average 4 yr FO on about 74K GBP plus HK housing allowance, up to 7000 HKD a month paid (approx 5600GBP) overtime payments usually increase take home by up to 50%.
Captains, clearly lot more.

I know people are all predicting a huge outflow from FLYBE. But how many people are actually leaving FlyBE at the moment?

Not many, because I'm sure you're aware you need 6 weeks off and £22k to buy a bus rating to get anywhere.

Not many leaving at present due to the above. But IF that changes anytime soon it will be ALOT even given the 175 arrivals…

From chatting to people on line I'd say 20-30% of Captains and 80% of First Officers are actively looking for jobs elsewhere - the terms and conditions are so far below market rate!!

FO's here take home £1600 a month, SFO's £2000 a month, Captains £3000 - Factor in 9 days off a month and 4 sectors per day and people are knackered, fed up and poor. I now of several pilots here who have been to see their Doctor because they feel ill most of the time - the Doctor takes one look at the roster and says - "of course you do... short term this will leave you feeling grumpy and knackered, long term it is detrimental to your health".

The recent union pay and rostering negotiations have exposed the company as either stupid or uncaring - they just do not understand why anyone wants more than 56 hours off at the weekend and seem to believe that we're well paid for what we do.

The consequence of all this is that we are inevitably heading for industrial action. The latest poll indicates 88% have rejected the company's 'final position'.

DP

They do mate, afterall every other employee of the company gets at least that. What you meant to say was they don't give a flying fist f*ck if you think you should have the same.

How many Jet f/o`s and Capts will be tempted by the improved conditions offered in the current job adds for EMB170/190 pilots for Gulf ??!!

As more are rated on the EMB, i think a large number will use this as their ticket out of Flybe!!

Those that did the secondments last year could see a huge difference between the two companies (pay, rosters, crew food), one could say a real GULF!!! :}

absolutely right desk pilot. I've met lots and lots of people who are tired , fed up and generally feeling unwell all due to the roster pattern. The way we get treated by screwing oh sorry i meant crewing is a disgrace most of the time. The difference between the amount of money the company make and pay themselves and what we get paid is huge .......................basically its down to greed,and lack of respect for the people that are actually making the money for them

Yep its a lovely relaxing place to work !!

Eastern are not comparable. For comparable think Cityjet, BMI regional, Eurowings.

Comparability to those are even debatable now
1. We are heading towards an all jet fleet
2. Some of our colleagues have been working for major airlines (Olympic and Gulf Air ) how much was made from that !!!
3. Keep being told we are the biggest regional airline in europe
4. Our esteemed leader earns more tham Mr Walsh !!!!!

And finally we cant be treated like British Airways et al (the reason i've heard) because we are a completely different type of business model .............. REALLY !!so why are some people in our company earning (allegedly) more than W.W.


WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH!!!!!!

D-day
 

Well, don't know about you but the last couple of weeks since I put a cross in the box have dragged! Anyway tomorrow is nearly upon us and apparently Balpa won't take long to count and let us know!
Looking forward to seeing what the company will do/offer in response?!
Have they prepared anything?
Will they dig their heels in?
Interesting times ahead.

How and when will find out you think?

2011 if we're lucky.
Smoke signals, carrier pigeon or royal mail, depending on the wind would be my guess!

Reps advise that we'll hear within days if not hours

Bumped into a rep during the base meetings. He suggested that once the results are in, they will go back to company before letting us know what the story is...

We all know the result is though don't we. It's just down to how crushing it actually will be.

industrial action at Flybe
 

All the votes should be in now. Lets hope its a landslide result. The spotlight will be on BALPA as well as the company. To give due credit, BALPA have put a lot of work into the preposals that were forwarded to management and managed to keep cost to a minimum. If its a NO to the company offer, the union must negotiate a good deal for the pilots, not just a satisfactory one, and prove once and for all that they are value for money in an ever changing world not just a no- guarantee semi-insurance policy to call on in case the :mad: hits the fan. Time for the company to shed its skin in terms of small mindedness when it comes to T's and C's. If we're a European Operator now, then reward us appropriately. Stop comparing us to Eastern or Loganair when it suits.

just thinkin out loud.

Just make sure you read the small print in the next deal. Historically they will look like they are offering you a better deal but at the same time make subtle changes to the scheduling.

Don't rush in even if it you do get 10%!

Everyone have a read of this fantastic post at the

DG and P Reporting points forum in the Australian section.

Its a post titled 'Another Jetstar whistleblower'

The author states a brilliant case against the latest airline drives for cutting costs and includes the hiring of such low time pilots as well as engineering. It describes very similar circumstances to flybe pilots.

Remember that these jetstar guys get a lot more money than flybe pilots.

Ah the small print. Removing leave protection (lates to earlies) That's a big NO from me just on that sneaky one. Try again Jim.

Removing that basically snatches a few more days of our lives.