Well now Brokkenrider & ZBBoy, I am really puzzled by your latest posts which appear to defending easyjet while at the same time slagging them off. Although there may be some truth in what Brokkenrider says about LoCo and Balpa, anyone reading these posts cannot but fail to be impressed by the way any discussions by these "professional" pilots always seem to degenerate into childish slanging matches.
I wonder, are these guys are actually allowed to command passenger carrying jet airliners?

Well, my point is that we are our own worst enemy by not sticking together, and EZY is using that in a very effective way against us.

I'm not defending EZY though...reread my post(s) please!

Sorry I just can't see the contradiction between the fact that I enjoy my job, and the fact that I believe pilots deserve a tad more recognition in the orange world. What we asked wasn't much. Don't worry this won't affect your bonus, Santa. I would never slag easyJet off, as you say. The company is much, much more than just it's management, which you seem to be part of.

If you can't understand this you need to get your head checked...

ZBMAN

"Without the goodwill we show everyday not a single eJ aircraft would depart on time"

I agree with Santas Little Helper on this one, and I am sorry to differ! Is that not what you are paid to do??

I believe all other airlines report 1 hour before departure.

"We could also give up trying to improve slots, negotiate direct routings with ATC, or chase up a missing fuel truck or caterer. There are many examples of how our "goodwill" enables the company to maintain a decent-ish schedule"

Is this not called being a PROFESSIONAL pilot??

"I am quite satisfied. I've got the base I want, and I love my job, and the people I work with"

All this and a stable roster and you still moan.

As I said before some people will never be happy. I am sure if you got the unrealistic pay deal that you expect you will only find something else to maon about.

"This is why we NEED to secure the best pay deal now".

I consider that now will not satisfy you, and you will be moaning about your pay every year.

Bokkenrijder

I think it is about time you left LoCo flying. It is clearly not for you.

It is dissappointing to see some of the comments and abuse nuageblanc is getting. I think some people on this forum need to take a "chill Pill".

It also disappointing that anyone who disagrees with the few negative comments here are either accused of being management or that they need to get their head checked. Given that there are over 1500 pilots in easyjet (so my mate says), the percentage posting about this issue is extremely low. Maybe it is not such a big issue for others but I am sure time will tell.

I think strike action will pi** o** a lot of people not least your customers and you need their loyalty to survive this very competative industry. You will also not get any sympathy from the public because they consider that you are already paid enough for the job you do.

I think it's about time you join EZY! ;)

Anyway, since you have nothing useful to say on this subject I will put you on the ignore list. (Wonderful feature!)

Enjoy your current job, have lot's of interesting chats with your 'mate' about how great EZY is and good luck with your next attempts to pass the EZY selection! :ok:

Zbman wrote:
Zbman, ( my friend Jean -Marc C.), before Easyjet you were a CTC cadet at Monarch out of manchester (always complaining), and before that you were a wanabee somewhere in the East of France ! so please be honest with you, be honest with us !
I think you are a bit young, you need to learn what life is, and you will find out that Easyjet is not so bad, and if Easyjet is very bad, just leave it and you will be replaced by one of the thousands guys in the current deep holding pool :ok:

Guillaume.

I tell you what ZB MAN - if I were in your shoes I would be dying to give a very few of the posters on this site their "totties" as they say up my way. I trust you and the family are well.

Best regards,

Office Pest

Ezy Deal
 

Hello All,

Would someone mind private messaging me the current deal for U.K based EZY pilots.
I used to fly for EZY based at LTN and am now overseas however keen to return at some stage.
Good luck to all at EZY and BALPA!!

Toolongincruise,

there is no "Deal for UK based pilots"?!
What do you mean exactly?

Nuageblanc you just crossed the line. No need to identify anyone, whole idea is to speak your mind without fearing repercussions. I'm no Inspector Cluseau but have identified the target of your misplaced, ill informed crock of !!!!!e. If you want to play that game tell us your name if not shut the :mad: up and go start an argument on a forum that actually applies to you

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Nuage blanc

Tes un bel enfoire!!

If there ever is a ballot in this seemingly unending saga, I would be most surprised if the vote is any better than 30% in favour of a strike.
Some people, even some French people, seem to be born to strike. It is in their reactionary and revolutionary genes but most of the time they spout rhetoric which makes a lot of noise but means very little.
Get on with it, for heaven's sake.

rubik101
 

People don't vote in favour of a strike, people vote against a lousy pay offer. There's a fundamental difference in that...

Not this time they didn't :ugh:

No, not this time either...:uhoh: Gotto be nice to be manager in ezy, you can pull just about any b****t because the pilot force will just roll over and accept it anyway!

Members have accepted pay offer - 68% voted yes.

I'm not surprised, same old story...
First offer strongly rejected, second marginally better offer (and I do mean marginally!) is then accepted....
Not sure there is going to be any powder left for future battles now, but if at least the CC wouldn't "recommend" offers in the future, thereby forcing the pilot community to use their brains!
How the company managed to blackmail the CC in accepting this offer, I will never know!
:ugh: :ouch:

So,
Could someone possibly explain the offer that has just been accepted to someone currently floating in the hold pool?
:p

FunFlyin:

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=285690

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Me too. Need to get some explanation about this deal?(not clear) and what is the main advantage to join Balpa. Iam Currently in the holding pool As Fo Direct entry.

thanks futur colleague really need information.

Hi all,
It's a 2 years deal.
We will get 4,7% payrise on the basic gross salary (as from 01/10/08) and the RPI (official increase in the cost of living) which is about 4% on the sector pay.
Next year it will be RPI +0,5% on basic gross and on RPI only on sector pay.
We get sick pay extension from 3 to 6 months.
Also slight increase on the pension.
All the rest remain the same as on the web site.
Hope this help.
Regards

01/10/2007?

Sorry,

4,7% as from 01/10/07

RPI + 0,5% as from 01/10/08

I hate to say 'I told you so' but I will anyway.

If there ever is a ballot in this seemingly unending saga, I would be most surprised if the vote is any better than 30% in favour of a strike.

rubik 101

just to make you not to "overconfident", but if all continent ballot papers would have been arrived, the percentage number probably could be a different one.
However, I admit, it still would have been a YES vote.
Still wondering, if comparing the airline union activities on the continent compared to EZY pilot community (see LH, DBA, LTU, AB).
Anyway: TILT - GAME OVER for the pilots.
For management: MORE BONUSES for sure.

End of story!:\

I hate to say 'I told you so'
 

Very good points Kraut.

Congrats to the likes of Rubik101! I hope you are happy that you avoided industrial action by chickening out and 'keeping your powder dry for the next battle.' This pay deal was not so much about numbers (nickel and dimeing about 0.5% here or there), it was more a show of strength (or rather weakness...) and now it's clear who the winner is.

The @sses of the pilot community have been presented on a golden plater to the management and the door is now wide open for: local EU contracts, random rostering, less leave, no loyalty bonus etc. The worldwide economy is slowing down, it only takes one big airline (Alitalia?) to go t!ts up and then management/Cor will be able to dictate the terms in 2008/2009 under the motto "take it or leave it."

As for local European contracts: don't underestimate the effect this will have on the BALPA membership numbers. Most in Italy, Germany, France and Spain will not see a reason to either join or stay with BALPA.

This in turn will further weaken BALPA, so I hope people are not so naive to think that random rostering in combination with some kind of bidding system will be a taboo subject in the near future.

Don't start crying when this whole lifestyle issue (or any further deterioration in terms and conditions) blows up in your face next year. Just try to remember the following: "we told you so!" :ouch:

Bokkenrijder,

If you spent less time being angry and more time considering the implications of reduced Balpa membership then you'd realise that it is precisely this point that has resulted in you feeling soooo hard-done by.

Bob Crowe of the RMT is currently engaged in a "show of strength" with TfL over the Metronet issue. He came out with a priceless soundbite yesterday - he said: "We're goin' on strike 'coz they ain't givin' us wot we want!"

Presumably Bokka you'd prefer to have the RMT conducting your negotiations and instigating strike action - it might work once but in the process you'd alienate all your passengers and destroy whatever goodwill has been built up with the management, then easyJet would become just like Ryanair.

The only "show of strength" you want is 95-100% Balpa membership so maybe you'd be better off getting recruiting and venting your spleen at all those who don't pay Union subs rather than those that do!!

EZY already is hard on the way to becoming another Ryanair. The more it looks like Ryanair, the bigger the bonuses for management! That's the whole point!

Anyway, I hope I'm wrong, but I fear that Dutchjock was right when he was talking about orange harps a couple of pages back in this same thread.

Let's agree to disagree. The future will tell who's right and who's wrong. :\

Just wait for the announcement that Easy have made RECORD RECORD RECORD profits over the summer period.

How stupid are we gonna feel after accepting such a rubbish pay offer after the announcement on profits, and a two year deal as well !!!!

We are stuck with it now. So glad we kept our powder dry :ugh:

Maybe we should vote YES to random rostering and 1100 hrs a year. Well it will make the company more profitable and give the managers more bonuses so why not. :eek:

To be honest Macky I have resigned myself to the fact that I will have a random roster ( with an alleviation to allow me to do 5 earlies in a row!), will do 1100 hours a year, will never see a pension contribution in double figures, will never see private medical/health insurance, will continue to eat crappy crew food etc etc etc for as long as I stay at EZY.

Then Andy Harrison and the rest will applaud each other when we announce £200+ million in profits this year ( his prediction of 193mill was conservative I believe). Give each other bonuses of 3 times their salaries, 900 grand in AH case, and pop off to claridges for a spot of lunch on the company credit card.

I have resigned myself to this because we have just allowed one hell of a s**t deal to be put through. I dont know when the rot is going to stop but I am now making a determined effort to get out.

Ezy could be a great company but it never will be....a great company recognises its employees worth.....I am worth a damn sight more than this!!

Jetjockey - out of interest, where are you going to go that's so much better than easy?

.................the future looKs terrible????????????????

Not really, but it doesn´t look bright either. Improvements will not easily (if at all!?) be achieved!
Our lovely dutch COO made his breakthrough (supported by the majority of pilots). I am sure, he will continue to prove how smart he is!
And the PLC board sure will love him!

50 above- Dont know yet really. Trying to weigh up the options. Cathay, BA, EK,EY, Virgin.....Air wales!!!!! Really dont know. Not sure anywhere is ' so much better than ezy'....maybe I have had enough of the bulls**t having an orange tinge to it!!......do you know what I mean?

I would never say that EZY is the worst company out there, its not. I really do hope that it carries on in its success because alot of F/D and C/C have worked damned hard to make it achieve that success. But I cant stay here any longer, I am oranged out!!!

Where will I go? Who knows.......just hoping that someone will have me!!!

Why don't you join Ryanair where you get random rostering, even though they say its 5/3 or 5/4 when you join, pay for your own rating and sim ride, don't get any mileage to get to the sim, no hotel if you need an overnight, pay for your own medical, pay for your own uniform, pay for you car park pass, do five earlies (IAA rules), get all leave applications rejected, lose 12 days of stolen leave each year, leaving you wih just 16 of your own choice, ignored queries to management, no mechanism to negotiate with said so-called management and DOL sits on 190 million pounds or euros or whatever. Come on over to the green side!
You really need to do some research before you bitch quite as much about your T&Cs and just where does it say that management don't deserve the bonuses thay are paid?

If you care to read my thread rubik you will see that I did not mention ryan on my list of possible employers. Definitely not for me for all the reasons you have mentioned. Why do these forums degenerate into a 'my lot is worse than your lot' style debate?

I dont know what It is going to take but I really do hope that there is a huge change in T+Cs generally across the board...will it happen? I doubt it...

JET737, my post wasn't aimed at you, just readers in general who might be considering RYR as an alternative.

Rubik, the whole point is to stop EZY from becoming another Ryanair... :hmm:

JJ737, I see things the same way as you do. Wait till the Dec. share options (if we get them) and make a contingency plan for 2008.

AH says something about us getting our options in his summer update today....pinch of salt until the dollar is in my bank.

bokrider- sounds like a plan. Think I am just fed up with all the crap!!!

Hey Easy Jet guys, can anyone please confirm the latest rumour floating around in India that around 20 A320 pilots from Easy Jet are going to India next month to fly with one of the new airlines there for a period of six months.:confused:

That rumour is a fact Casper ;)