Amazing that this is the best we can get in a red-hot pilot market... :confused:

Next on the agenda: local contracts for EU bases?

oh my dear
 

this is the end of Balpa in Easyjet, the management showed a much stronger position and from now on everything will be harder...

About local contracts, this is the reason why the CC has pushed for collective bargain in any bases....
The future???

P.S. want to get an extra 1%???

Well it looks that BALPA has not only lost the negotiation deal for the UK, but it appears that the have had to let MAD go to achieve what they got.:}
And all that with the full support of their members.:confused:
I thought we were going for a strike to achieve what we wanted.:ouch:

Let´s wait for the ballot about this "offer". Then it will be clear where we are going!

The hint to gain 1% is one of cheapest hints which will lead to nothing at the end!

Crap deal but I sense there is more to this. Could the CC be claiming the moral high ground by balloting members with the reasonable degree of certainty that the result will be no? Would this not leave them in a stronger position after the ballot? Failing that they have either misjudged the feelings of their membership or realise that when the red letter day arrives maybe all the supermillitants will not actually have the bottle to strike. Who knows but stay tuned for another thrilling installment of notreallyeasyatallJet.com :ugh:

Pay Deal
 

I hear that the pay and conditions at ezy are good, I dream of a 5/3/5/4 and a stable roster.

Instead of striking if you really do not like the company then perhaps you should leave. From what I hear there would not be any shortage of replacements.

Say NO to the latest offer, YES to IA and the cc will have to go back to management with a stronger mandate. Just because they put a recommend on it does not mean it's a done deal. Now is the time to bring T&C's towards what they should be after all the reductions in the past.

Hapzim

what reductions in the past? Captains on what is it? Nearly £100 grand a year! Don't live in the past - look to the future.

Some battles are worth fighting but this one certainly is not.

albertoli, you're clearly clueless as to the reality of salaries in EZY. Do you work for the Daily Mail ?

Cor... interesting profile details. :suspect:

Albertoli,

Even if it was 100 grand a year for a captain, what would be wrong with that?
EasyJet captains do a tremendous job of flying around one of the busiest airspace in the world, multiple sectors in all sorts of weather conditions, flying into well dodgy places, all this with a tremendous safety record. So yes in my opinion they would deserve at least 100 grand a year, and much more if you ask me. The bean counters in their office know nothing about what it is like to have 150 lives times 4 in their hands everytime they come in to work! Yet they seem to reep most of the company's success, even though it is us, the flight and cabin crew who make the whole thing work.

It is time we stand up for ourselves, and restore the consideration our profession deserves.

*polite applause*

One suspects that a new member whose only posts discourage Industrial Action might have an agenda of some sort. :confused:

ZBMAN, stop it, you are making us crying :{
most of us here are flying in the same airspace with same weather. If you are not happy with easy, go to another company ...

Nuageblanc & Albertoli,

leave this matter to the EZY pilots and take care about your own business/airline!:=

Some people will never be happy regardless of how much they earn.

You are not talking about yourself are you? Because with 350hrs TT and NO commercial experience whatsoever I fail to grasp how you can understand the conditions in which we fly.

My suggestion: change your attitude. It is a small world and one day or another people will remember your ludicrous posts on pprune.

Just so that everyone knows who we are talking to, please refer to the topic "EZY future hiring". Very interesting.

:rolleyes:

Now Now.

He may be inexperienced but his point is valid, I do not think that the Jet 2 guys get paid as much as the guys in easy but we all still fly in the same airspace and weather.

Difference is..... I do know what I am talking about.

So instead of working to improve conditions in a profitable airline we should think about those who are paid less for doing the same job elsewhere? Here is one, most wannabes would kill to fly a jet without having to pay for it themselves... I rest my case....:ugh:

No my point is that if you are not happy then don't strike just go somewhere else. This would leave some slots for the pilots at Thomas Cook and MYT who may have to leave their employment in the very near future.

It id ok to be happy with your lot.

Again, ALBERTOLI,

leave it up to the pilots of EZY! It is quite normal, first you try to improve conditions in your present company and if that doesn´t work out, than it is time to look for a new emplyment!
And the pilots from Thomas Cook and MYT or JET2 could have joint at the last recruiting round. If they wanted to!?
There is a new recruiting round at EZY. If you like EZY´s working condition, come on and join the orange world!

Clone
 

Kraut, Albertoni is a management clone. He and his type are responsible for the constant degradation in the pilot workforce terms and conditions. 20 + years ago we got reasonable recognition for our way of life, responsibilities, and hard work. This is the time to grasp the nettle, not wimp out and move somewhere else. Our moving on is what the bean counters prefer rather than paying the price (The price they pay is training costs, lack of continuity, and safety). 20 years of erosion has to be recompensed. They stamp on us when we are down. Lets stamp back. Done 2 years + LHS in easy by the way, before Albertoli starts.

Shame that you don't seem to know how industrial relations work... Are you a Balpa member? Thought not!

And I reiterate, I do believe that we, easyJet crews, work in very trying conditions. I don't think there are many days in excess of 4 sectors in Jet 2. Do the Jet 2 crews fly 900hrs a year? Last time I spoke to of the Jet 2 guys I was surprised to learn that they flew much less than we did. Perhaps some fly more, but this is not the point. The point is it is our right to try and improve our package. It is thanks to the EZY Balpa CC and all their efforts through collective bargaining that we have the package that we now enjoy. Your reasoning of 'take it or leave it' is exactly what has lead our profession down the drain year by year, and is shockingly similar to the kind of reasoning our beloved ops dir, CV and his sidekicks seem to hold. If we don't stand up for ourselves when the company is doing really well, what's to become of us when things go wrong?

By all means, join the company, if you think the pakage is better, but remember it is thanks to the efforts of the members and the CC that you might be able to enjoy those terms and conditions.

This is not directly about EZY, but it really gets my goat when the standard response from Apathy Incorporated is if you don't like it then leave. Pathetic! Once again; the career minded people in an airline are generally the flight crews and engineers. They want the airline to succeed and strengthen. They want to be able to have a longterm rewarding career. They want to put down some roots for their family and invest time and effort in the company. They do not want to up sticks every 5 years. They do not want to be taken for granted and be screwed at every turn because they are vocational workers in a psecialised profession. They wnat to strengthen the financial base of the company. They wnat to make it attractive for new comers to join and the old lags to stay. They have every right to fight to achieve the ideal. It is the short-term thinking managers who don't give a toss. They are not in it for the duration. They are not specialised. They could operate their cut-throat antics in a chocolate factory if they wanted. As long as their bonuses and share options are coming on time they have no long-term ambitions at all. It doesn't matter what type of company it is, the workforce who are there for the long-term have a duty not to let the company be milked in the short term for the benefit of a few grabbing don't cares. Airlines have not gone bust due to greedy pilots!! It is useless greedy managers who have taken them down.

Well said RAT, MOL and ryr should take note...

Hi Studi

That's pretty much what it's about .......

Well said RAT 5

This is not the point I was trying to make. The point is that whatever the conditions in other airlines, it canot be a reason for us to be weak and just roll over with every threat our "management" makes, simply because other airlines have lesser T&Cs
Also, if we manage to improve our lot, it WILL increase the chances of the pilots in Jet2, Monarch, Flybe etc to imrove THEIR lot.

ZBMAN, big shame on you and on your poor argument against myself because since then, I have joined a big french company which is part of Air France and I have now successfully passed my line check on CRJ :cool:
So once again, I can tell you that all of us are flying in the same airspace with the same weather conditions, and correct me if I am wrong but dont you operate CATIII landing at easy ?
You have good conditions and salary so stop your bull!!!! and change company if you are not happy with your current one !
Best regards !

Congratulations on your linecheck! (amazing!?)

But, please grow up, get experience before you start to bother with EZY pilots!
Fly your CRJ, take care of your own airline, little white cloud!

Nuageblanc

Why don't you do the same, if you don't like the so called bull!!!! in this thread. Go somewhere else, because I don't think any serious poster is really interested in your views.

JB

oh dear :rolleyes:

Great you've passed your line check... amazing! So now you must have about 450 hrs... You still have EVERYTHING to learn. You've been flying for a few months and you have the cheek to claim that you know the type of flying we do? Come back after 2000hrs. Maybe you'll understand then. In the meantime please start treating your colleagues with respect and do not try and talk about things you know nothing about.

And what has the fact that we do CATIIIb landings got to do with anything?:confused:

yup
 

et nuage blanc detents toi tu parles comme un puceau arrogant.

Always done so, so far:ugh:

Incomming!!!!!!!!

Little white cloud. I know you are just out of "nappies", but you might just have to get your met books out again. ZBMan said I don't want to p1ss on your parade but there is more bad weather than just fog.
But please don't go away, you are very entertaining....and I always think you need a village idiot to make the rest of us look good. Bon Chance!

oh sorry it is not only lvp but also gust and xwinds and Ra !!:}

Poor ezy guys you are not lucky !! all of us are flying in CAVOK conditions, wind calm !
go on strike guys !!:ok:

Nuageblanc

Why don´t you do all of us a favor here .....

Get the hell out of this forum, which is by the way a forum for professional pilots and not for kids like you that think since they can fly their MS Flight sim they know what it´s all about.

After all it´s people like you that are responsible for the pay conditions we are operating under.

All I can say is, that I hope that I never ever have to fly with people like you on the flight deck.

Cheers :yuk:

Saaby:yuk:

All the best to the easy pilots!

Look at the guys at LTU going on strike at the summer holiday.

Its sad we have to go so far just to get a 4 or 5% salary increase while companies make millions of pounds without investing some in their personnel (such as pilots or CC).

All the best

Pardon the ignorance here but isn't the same 'crew loving' CEO still in charge at easy? Apparently the guy even wears the uniform to work to show his respect and affinity. Not so long ago this forum was full of praise and admiration, so what has happened?:hmm:

A dutch guy, well known in aviation industry entered the scene as COO.
And as it looks, he is getting his first victory in EASY. AH was not seen!
Lot of EZY pilots thinking about special tactical care this time, and believe the battle will be won next time.:confused:
If they have the chance for it!