Easyjet Strike?
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No, we just want fair market rate compensation for our trade, given the very healthy state of the companies profits and the consequent obscenely huge bonuses for all the managers riding on the backs of the very high productivity of our crews.
As someone said, we didn't just come down the river riding on the latest bubble.
GM01 No but until aviation starts to treat Pilots & Cabin Crew and Engineers like human beings Employees will fight for their terms & conditions.
IMHO there is a cartel within the UK that is trying to drive crews salaries down into the gutter.
Lets keep the pressure on until somebody wakes up.
Before anyone jumps down my neck about being human. Why is it that it is deemed OK for Pilots to land an aircraft after being up(awake) for20 hrs and then drive home,(stby + duty) whereas a lorry driver would be charged by the police. Or position somewhere then operate e.g. Position in the back economy seating to banjul then immediatly jump in the cockpit and operate back. Most crew have seen all of this and more.
We deserve proper pay and conditions just like everybody else. Oh & if I make a mistake I can't just tear it up and throw it in the bin and start again!
IMHO there is a cartel within the UK that is trying to drive crews salaries down into the gutter.
Lets keep the pressure on until somebody wakes up.
Before anyone jumps down my neck about being human. Why is it that it is deemed OK for Pilots to land an aircraft after being up(awake) for20 hrs and then drive home,(stby + duty) whereas a lorry driver would be charged by the police. Or position somewhere then operate e.g. Position in the back economy seating to banjul then immediatly jump in the cockpit and operate back. Most crew have seen all of this and more.
We deserve proper pay and conditions just like everybody else. Oh & if I make a mistake I can't just tear it up and throw it in the bin and start again!
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From the outside it looks that we just had a rise so we should be quite, the reality is that the last 4% was worth nothing when the RBI as been close to 4.5% in the last 12 months.
Then all we wanted was to have an improved package with more benefits.
We are asking better pensions (probably the worse in the industry), LOL, life insurance, sick pay etc...
Are we asking too much?
If you want to fly 350 a/C around europe you don't thing we should get a very competitive package?
Our is only good on surface, if you go deep it's just not good enough!
The problem is that so far pilots consider U2 just a step for their carreer not a long term prospect (thats' why we have so ****ty benefits) do we want to change it?
The company says yeas! so what we have to improve?
Just read above and you get your answer!!!
Speevy
Then all we wanted was to have an improved package with more benefits.
We are asking better pensions (probably the worse in the industry), LOL, life insurance, sick pay etc...
Are we asking too much?
If you want to fly 350 a/C around europe you don't thing we should get a very competitive package?
Our is only good on surface, if you go deep it's just not good enough!
The problem is that so far pilots consider U2 just a step for their carreer not a long term prospect (thats' why we have so ****ty benefits) do we want to change it?
The company says yeas! so what we have to improve?
Just read above and you get your answer!!!
Speevy
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Hurrah.....at last, I am glad you guys on threatening a strike, if your T&C's improve then everybody else will have to follow suit. When Easy became the dominant force in the market all T&C's were dumbed down with cost cutting hence salaries have suffered. You will have huge support from all the pilot community, it is about time we were paid a fair salary to compensate us for working very hard at very unsociable times of the day and night. Beat the management into submission and do not listen to all the spin that flies around it is all B....s..t! It makes it worse that the management are freeloading and getting huge reward for pushing bits of paper around!! You must stick together and send a message in no uncertain terms. For all the low houred guys who are keen to get on...try not to be tempted to side with the company because in years to come you will regret it. It is about time the pilot profession was reinstated as such. Too much dumbing down in this country.
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power to you guys, i only wish that we on the other side of the irish sea could get that well organished. I totally agree with the right to strike, if complaints to managerment about terms and conditions are fulling on deaf ears in the hope that you will go away, then it is fair enough that a ballot to strike gets held, sure it is then down to the company is it not, whether the strike goes ahead.
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Best of luck lads and ladies. I salute your cojones and I can only hope that your stance might cause the apathetic muppets in ryanair to consider their position.
Nobody said it was the worst company- it isn't,by a long shot. But it is extremely profitable, and we seek a reasonable share of that bounty to reflect our part in that.The flying is the easy bit (no pun,etc.)-the hard bit is the turnrounds with minimal support from mgt to achieve OTP-loads of c*** on paper,but no faces on the ramp kicking butt.....sound familiar?
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I wonder if a majority of airline company councils ( BALPA/IPA ) could join forces in a common assault on general T&C's within the industry and perhaps go for a mass walkout/ threat of strike action. As we all know, we are working a lot harder for less money, law of diminishing returns!! The situation is unlikely to improve unless we do something a little more extreme? It is time to stand up to be counted.
It is time to stand up to be counted.
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Monarch pilots are very close to a strike for similar reasons to those described above. We are trying to get our pay and conditions UP to the level of easyJet's current condiditons!!
Not saying you easy people shouldn't fight for a decent pay and lifestyle package, just reinforcing the view that nost UK companies have been making money and expanding on the basis of stiffling pilot pay and conditions over the last few years. In fact Monarch's Managing Director said precisely that to the Company Council at the start of present negotiations - how to p*ss off a workforce in one easy step!
All pilot workforces should be prepared to face down management over the coming year as we've reached a pivotal point in this industry. Either we take some of the power back or we sign on for decreasing T's and C's for the rest of our careers. That means facing down management no matter how long it takes!
Not saying you easy people shouldn't fight for a decent pay and lifestyle package, just reinforcing the view that nost UK companies have been making money and expanding on the basis of stiffling pilot pay and conditions over the last few years. In fact Monarch's Managing Director said precisely that to the Company Council at the start of present negotiations - how to p*ss off a workforce in one easy step!
All pilot workforces should be prepared to face down management over the coming year as we've reached a pivotal point in this industry. Either we take some of the power back or we sign on for decreasing T's and C's for the rest of our careers. That means facing down management no matter how long it takes!
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I know from Europe, that once a year most airline chiefpilots (FBL) had a meeting at a nice, decent place. Talking about a lot of issues.
The same happened with tour operators.
Maybe there is a "combined acknowledgment" between some british airline managements to counter the attempt of pilots to improve their needs in a pilot shortage period?
Would not be surprised!
The same happened with tour operators.
Maybe there is a "combined acknowledgment" between some british airline managements to counter the attempt of pilots to improve their needs in a pilot shortage period?
Would not be surprised!
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Unity
Remember, if we don't stick together now and we will pay the conseguences in the future...
Speevy
- No lifestyle improvement, maybe the company will decide that to keep the cost low is better to go 5254 (this one is coming from somebody in LTN)..
- Then we will forget any RBI for 2008 and so on...
- Local contracts for every base (which means some European bases will be overcrewed and cheaper workforce will be used in UK)
- Balpa will loose power and T&C will go down
Speevy