They found some guys for questionable T&C´s!!:confused:
Again, our management will shake their hands and laugh about those smart pilots. And THEY make money on that contract!
Another battle lost! But, I am told, we have our powder dry for the next one!:eek:
Ha, ha!

Yea, makes me wonder a bit. BALPA CLEARLY pointed out some quite big issues and "holes" in the so called contract for India. Still people signed up. :confused: They did not even have to read the through the contract, it was all laid out to the members by BALPA. "Life style opportunity" my a**! :eek:

Well well.

68% yes vote, pretty conclusive.

Albertoli,
as usual, you are not following the thread closely. If you quote the 68% as a fix number, you obviously did not read my posting, that lot of overseas votes did not get to the BALPA HQ.
I am sure, if all european votes received, the figure 68% would not be valid! For sure less!
But doesn´t matter anymore.

albertoli

Gloat if you like, all the result shows is that a majority of EZY pilots (though perhaps a smaller majority than 68%, as Kraut has explained) agree with the idea that they ought to be satisfied with their terms and conditions.

Since we've now demonstrated that you are right, can you now please STFU, go away, and let grownups who actually give a f*** about EZY have their own discussion.

....and (but) it was 68% out of the 67% who voted...
"68% yes vote, pretty conclusive. " -..not sure how conclusive that is...:ugh:

I am not gloating at all at the result at all.

Gary Lager

There is absolutely no need to be rude, even though I do not agree with some of the threads here I have not been rude to anyone about what they have said. You may be a grown up but you do not appear to be very mature in what you say.

Given that you insinuate that you care you have only posted once on this thread. Perhaps it is you that needs to grow up and learn to listen to other people's points of view whether you agree with them or not! When you do it will be nice to hear from you - in a few years time.

The fact of the matter is.

1. The " union " pushed for this deal.

2. There is a period of economic uncertainty around the corner.

3. Gone are the good old days ( I certainly havent experienced them )


I earn £ 77 000 per annum + sector pay + poor pension contribution + whatever other benefits. S*it life is not bad. Can we all get a reality caption.

For all you millitants out there I worked for the military for 14 years and easyjet for 8 years if you are unhappy do yourselves a favour and get a job that you enjoy.

Lets not pretend management give a f**k. I certainly dont give a £110000 f**k but I have a grand home life and have a laugh at work.

Jesus there a some really awful jobs out there.

Incoming

Apparently the Dutchman is going around some crew rooms (MXP) saying that he wants to stop 5-3-5-4.

Has anyone heard the same, or are the heads still firmly stuck in the sand?

.The guys opposing the deal were asking to have a participation of the the present "healthy financial year"

3. Where did you experience them? At EZY???

You are probably a 737 pilot? If you are on the Airbus, maybe the future will show, that you will not be that often at home!?

I totally agree!! But why should I orientate myself at "awful jobs"??
Why not trying to improve my present job??

Anyway, I said it already, our dutch guy got strong due to this paydeal. We will hear more of his "thoughts"!

What are you implying? Night stops in lieu of new continental bases to avoid the contractual mess overshadowing present EU bases? :}

Another thing the Dutch man said it's that nightstop will increase since it will be more efficient for the company.
His words on the roster were: the fixed roster has to go, it doesn't work.

In that case I think many of us will also go!

Speevy

where do you want to go ?
You are just a number and you will be replaced as soon as you go ;)

Who let the child out to play again?
:}

ezydriver, be careful not to go off topic :)

Good idea, maybe I should start one dedicated to yourself, then maybe you will see how you are viewed by your peers.:mad:

Yep just a number
 

That's right, but trust me if needed I can find something else...
One of the reasons why many of us are here it's the fixed roster...
And it's also the reason why they can replace us so fast!
If it's back to ramdon roster do you think they will be able to actract enough "qualified" pilots to keep those a/c flying?

Mind the magic word: qualified..

Speevy

oh yeah, no prob.
At Vueling, Wizzair, Skyeurope, LTE, Air Italy, Jet 2, Aigle Azur, Air Mediterrannée, etc, etc, lots of pilots will be happy to earn more money with EZY, regardless rosters.

Aer Arann, Flybe, etc, etc are full of JAR25 pilots looking for a brand new A319 to fly all over europe and north africa :D

And remember, EZY will always look for cadets like Zbman (:}) that rapidly become what you call "experienced and qualified pilots".


Good nite,

Guillaume :O

So nuageblanc and albertoli? What are you waiting for? Here's your (second?) chance! Provided that you qualify of course, but since you guys 'know it all' that should be not a problem... :rolleyes:

Now please get your nappy changed and let the rest of us get back to topic...

There was a massive amount of Whizz Air guys assessed last year - guess what? They all failed.

Meerly holding the License doesn't make you the preferred candidate.

That's a great argument indeed ! just tell the EZY managers that you are the best ones and nobody can replace you :} :} not even wizzair pilots :{

NB: by the way, how many guys are there in the current holding pool ? :ooh:
and how many guys are there waiting for an interview with EZY ? :ooh:
And how many guys flying A320/330s in Africa and Asia and middle East looking for a base in their home country ? (France, Germany, Italy, Spain, UK, ...) :ooh:

.........or the rating.

.........or a PPRuNe username ;)

How many?
 

How many guys would still be interested if:

1. No Fixed Roster
2. Local Contracts with T&C benchmarked to the local level
3. No union power, which will soon lead us to become another FR

And who know if the list would stop there?

By the way Gulieme (nice one, I think lots of people would remember it ;) )
even Vuelling is now offering 5-3-5-4, this means that other airline are trying to match our current package, to keep their pilots, and if our conditions get worse maybe others don't have to work so hard to offer a proper deal :(

that's the one ! you've found your future airline mate ! :ok:

(But please, stop saying EZY is crap, hundreds and hundreds of people fancy the Orange style)

You're right! Hundreds of people fancy it because many people in EZY (like myself) are complaining and pushing the envelop in order to improve things. That the whole point why EZY is better than many other low cost airline and that is the reason why we should fight hard (yes, even industrial action if needed) to keep it that way.

That is also the reason why people like yourself want to join in the first place, however with your mentality you would probably end up bringing EZY down to the same crappy level as the crap airline you want to leave right now! So you might as well save yourself the trouble of moving and stay where you are now. :rolleyes: You contradict yourself in every possible way.

You are indeed your own worst enemy. :D

I am happy with my current company, and I am not planning to apply with EZY. However, I think EZY is a very good company due to the possibility to be based in your home country, fly modern aircraft, lots of routes all over Europe and North Africa, and money is very good.
So If you are interested in a 5453 roster, go to Vueling ! they are looking for pilots but you wont be paid as much as in EZY, and it seems that their new roster patern is not helping them at all to make money :E

So do something constructive: instead of posting so much about a company you don't even work for, why not try to improve the package of the company you DO work for? Who do you fly for anyway?

Microsoft by the sounds of it!

it s better to complain and ask more and always more,than to be satisfied and see one day all your privileges being wiped off.

My last job offer come from a company in Istanbul asking me 10'500$ to fly the airbus for 150h.Is it what we want? certainly not.

is it what eazyjet wish? I let you answer.

we live in a period where jobs go to china, so unscrupulous big boss can make millions a year to buy nice boats and have cocktail parties on the french riviera.

Everybody loves Ezy
 

Gulieme,
I love my job, never said it's crap, have I?
But I wouldn't keep the same opinion if they change the roster, the money and everything else they fancy bcause it would be more efficient!
Never said I want to go to Vuelling! I said that at the moment many in the industry are trying to catch up with our T&Cs to be more attractive to pilots and if the situation change in Easy maybe for them it would be easier to recruit!
By the way, G, If you like it that much let me know, you shoudl apply, I will reccomend you and maybe I get 250£ for it, or maybe not!
Bon courage Speevy

P.S. I am not your mate! never been and never will! I don't like people that have no respect, even when posting on a forum!

ok
 

Nuage blanc why are talking about EZY you dont work for them?? you have just completed your line training ... you should study sops or your fcom 1a bit more BETTER idea NO??

what are talking about man?????

ps Iam not you mate or even your colleague...

stay away from this forum specially this one about EZY you are ridiculous almost funny maybe a bit pathetic nothing much...

bye bye

Funny thing
 

I might be very slow but just found out how to make the whole pprune thing a much better and fun thing to read: I put Nuageblanc on ignore, and vupti, all the treads here makes much more sence with only half the daft comments as normal.

I can recommend this for everybody :ok:

By the way, to all the complainers: I agree that we shall still work hard to improve our conditions with EZY and not let them drag us down to FR levels. Things can, and must improve.
BUT please spare me for all this about that EZY is crap. If that is your attitude then it is too long time since you tried to work for another airline (EZY is one of the better in the industry with lifestyle), OR you have never tried to work outside the cockpit in a "normal" job.

I really think some people here needs to come down to reality and open their eyes in the real world of slavery that we ALL live in.

Having said that, we should never give up improving things :ok:

"There was a massive amount of Whizz Air guys assessed last year - guess what? They all failed."

Not too sure about that, the 2 Storm guys with whom I did the first part of my rating with last year, Flew for Wizz and then went on to Easy no probs.
The only hiccup they had was getting air-side passes.:hmm:

BR.

"There was a massive amount of Whizz Air guys assessed last year - guess what? They all failed."

That's what I heard as well. Although I know of 4 ex-Wizz pilots flying for easyJet. That's myself included.
Isn't getting an airside-pass a hick-up for everyone?

I have never been a "Cadet". Please stop posting lies. When I applied for ej I had a 1500 hrs and an ATPL.

Sorry JM, you joined Monach as a CTC cadet and you were already complaining ! now you are at EZ and you are still complaining :ugh:
That is tipical french attitude isnt it ? :O

Well, let's go back to the topic.

Why do you think guys that the roster 5453 cant work any longer ?

that ignore thing is great, cheers
Speevy

P.S I know at lest 2 ex wizzair, great guys

How is 5354 (or fixed rosters in general) more costly to the company than the alternatives?

Clearly I should clarify my previous.

A very large number of Whizz pilots were assessed, and a approx 95% were not offered contracts.

No mention of Whizz or ex Whizz pilots being good guys or other wise, just statement of fact with no malice intended.