PLEASE HAVE A LISTEN.......... AND YOU ALL KNOW THIS IS ONLY THE HALF OF WHAT "O'LIAR"Y IS UP TO FOR CIRCA 20 YEARS NOW


https://amp.lbc.co.uk/radio/presente...bc-on-working/

Brave brave man ! Speak up ! It's the only way employers are going to listen

There are plenty of cadets in the market and honestly who cares, they are completely useless if there is no experience left in the airline. What they need is captains that stay and can train the new recruits and fos who are upgradable to the left seat. If O'Leary doesn't want to hit the rock bottom, he better work his game with pilots and really fast, so far it appear that he still doesn't get it. Experience is leaving...:D

Well done RYA pilots for speaking publicly and for challenging the management, the whole industry is behind you and supports you.

The only way it is going to get better for all the Ryanair pilots is if they unionize, and good on them if they can include cadets in the negotiations, make go away the pay up front type rating and actually negotiate a decent a pay that starts with training. Don't trust MOL, he has proven not to be trustworthy.


https://amp.independent.ie/business/...-36161115.html

GC with all respect here but the evidence points in the other direction that pilots are leaving.

Saw a passegner on Euronews the other day complaining he couldnt get home... can't remember if he was in Rodez or Burgas...

Don't get me wrong - I hope the guys & girls at Ryanair are able to achieve an improvement in terms for themselves. It was more of a comment relating to the article posted above which pinned the future of FR on the passengers when it appears that it is finally the employees / contractors that need to carpe diem.

If they are successful then it is likely to lift T&Cs for everyone in the industry in Europe as they are such a large player.

Best of luck to all involved.

As SLF I am appalled by the apparently inevitable lowering of standards likely to be the outcome of Ryanair plugging gaps in the pilot numbers.

I can just force myself to use that airline when my desired flights cannot be met by alternative providers [a recent trip to Salzburg for example] but hitherto my objections to Ryanair have been on comfort in flight.

Hitherto I have felt safe in the air.

Should I worry in future? There can be little more hazardous than very tired and very unsettled pilots.

What is important to realise is that a possible action by ryr pilots and cabin crew (let’s not forget the hardworking girls and boys in the back! They are grossly underpaid!) will have am effect on all terms and conditions in th European aviation industry. It would be nice to see if ALL pilot and cabin crew unions throughout Europe will vocally back any actions made by RYR crew.

There is still no sign that the public at large give a monkeys about any of this - apart from those directly affected who are rightly livid about it.

Everyone I know books with this operator. They know what is going on, they know the risk to being stranded or cancelled, and they ALL, to a person, still book with them.

Because they are the cheapest.

This will change if and when they have to put prices up.

It's exactly the same as selling cheap milk. Why do people buy it? Price. They don't care where it comes from; how the cows are treated; the effect on the people who work in the industry; where the profits go. It's just cheap - and it works better than any other form of marketing.

End of.

What the pilots & cabin crew MUST do is not let this become a campaign perceived to be for higher salaries. It is much more than that. The debacle is about not having enough crews- full stop. Why, is a follow up issue. It is not about pilots having to have extra leave; and what about leave for cabin crew? They have not had a mention, but I assume are equally affected.
The cancelling of flights has brought the lack of pilots issue into focus. That has then thrown up the manner in which pilots are contracted etc. Not enough pilots is a management issue. Why too few? Is it purely about T's & C's? Could well be because the shortage is about pilots leaving faster than can be replaced. That is exacerbated by a too rapid expansion: that is a management decision. if the airline consolidated its position then recruitment might keep up with departures. But RYR has to expand to survive. It's the nature of the beast, and that is not the fault of the pilots.
Why so many are leaving is about general T's & C's & zero hour contracts. If RYR can spin tis into a pay rise dispute the pilots will lose public support. The pilots have to 'get the truth out there' and refute with facts the drivel that is being spouted about the situation. RYR's pronouncements are getting all the media attention. There needs to be rebuttals of equal strength.

Interestingly there is a Corporate commitment to a Code of Business Conduct and Ethics 2016, S10 of which makes the 'public' pronouncement to meeting requirements of the Modern Slavery Act 2015, with respect to forced labour and human trafficking - https://investorryanair.azureedge.ne...6.pdf?yes=here. Sounds like they do not understand what it means to have unethical practices 'in any part of the business or supply chain'. Curiously for a statement which the legal provisions set requirement for it to be made publicly available....it is well hidden!!

Very true, and although the IAA will maintain that 'safety' and 'working conditions' are completely independant qualities, only one of which is within the scope of a regulator - many believe this view is naive. Though, any mention of the S-word will bring MOL's mutant legal team down on your head. This gagging aspect is an impediment to public support.

seems like the ERC structure that has been used for so many years to fragment the bases and set each one apart is being used to unify the pilot community. STN pilots have organised themselves and are sending communications the other ERC's, their union, Ryanair and the press. well done all Ryanair STN based pilots - keep unity, keep strong.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...h-o-deary-jibe


Lufthansa giving "O'Dreary" a taste of his own medicine! :D

Ryanair
 

I retired 19 years ago from an employer who treated us decently. I have no complaints about my pension (Except losing out a proportion that had to be hived off to ex-wife! My fault if I am honest).

I was well aware that Ryanair treats its staff in a “strange” manner. But – and I might have misunderstood – to require pilots to pay for accommodation when routinely checked in the Sim and to have to buy water when flying, simply beggars belief

There seems to be worldwide a shortage of pilots. It’s easy for me, happy in retirement, to say what you should be doing now. But it is ESSENTIAL that you stand up to O’Leary, not just as Ryanair employees, but as representatives of pilots worldwide. He needs you and he can’t simply be allowed bribe you with cash. Call his bluff.

There is no charge for interviews and Ryanair does not charge for training. Ryanair does not have any ‘zero hour contracts’ and no pilots are flying for “€20 an hour” and free filtered water is available to all crew.

How can a spokesman from Ryanair has no shame to say so much bull**** and lie in the press ? I always wondered if those kind of men sleep well after selling their own families for few extra pound ...

Read most of this now and I flew for Ryanair for nearly 8 years as Cadet. F/O then Captain.

And I have to say its just gone south since day 1 and I would rather go bankrupt with no flying job and go back to working in McDonalds than return there.

MOL clearly has zero respect for pilots from his comments in the media (Goodies) I mean seriously.

He needs forcing out by the pilots and passengers for losing money and causing hassle and stress. There is no other way. He knows no other way clearly.

I really don't get it. If I had built such a business that makes so much money id be bored by now.... He knows he can do it..... Id want to try been the best employer and lose the huge legal team for a change and see what happens. New challenge.

But never going to happen until he's left the building and a few of his minions along with him.

Once again, get unionised all together, go on strike all together and no RYR aircraft should leave the ramp till not only the terms and conditions has been solved, but also till big moron f...ing clown O Lairy and the rest of his management are no longer at the controls of this airline.
You all deserve a better management!

I've flown with Ryanair on average twice a year since 2003. Being in the aircraft industry, I've known of some of their dodgy employment practices but hadn't realised it was quite so bad. We always plan our holiday trips well in advance and we had been planning to use Ryanair again in 2018 but that has all changed. We will be using Eurostar next year. A major factor in this decision is that we usually book our hotels on a non-refundable basis so we would lose all our money if the flight was cancelled but the way Ryanair treat their staff is also a major factor. I hope that the repugnant MOL goes and that all their staff get the decent employer they deserve.

"I tell my employees that we're in the service business, and it's incidental that we fly airplanes. ... The spirit of Southwest Airlines is exuberant, it's caring, it's dedicated, it's diligent, it's fun, it's rewarding, it's a joy. ... You can't have a mid-life crisis in the airline ...Herb Kelleher"
I don't think MOL was listening too well all those years ago.I think his people skills are terrible and this is the end result.Should go and play with his herds of racehorses.
I bet Southwest lose 1/100th of the pilots RYR do.

A principle...... , sadly completely non existent in the Ryanair management philosophy.



https://youtu.be/lmyZMtPVodo

I implore all fr drivers, all types of contracts, join your local associations.

This is our time, and its clear what is happening in stn is not indicative of the masses, just the few that are keeping the norm.

Look we must all have it wrong. It is O'Leary who is underpaid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpnaVqGgN2g

I was comparing the fact that miners are/were prepared to take strike action.

No sign of high sickness or a sudden work to rule just yet then? This opportunity will soon be missed. This man surely knows he's got everyone by the balls??? 400 aircraft, nearly 100 million pax and a very, very rich man! He clearly has lots of powerful and rich friends Who take on those that can't and daren't fight back, "his staff"!!! These guys are the pits of society and the very lowest of the low! A real life 21st Century "SCROOGE"! Ryanair have never had it so good with all this press coverage! And just a bloody nose in return. So what happens next? I'd go down the "Paddy Power" betting shop and place a few Irish Euros on the result being "business as usual"! Now doesn't O'Leary have a stake in Paddy Power? This is no different to MacDonalds, Costa Coffee, Amazon etc etc, exploitation "within the so called LAW"! Now how do you go about changing that?

IMHO what is s scary is if the plots & cabin crew back down and do not improve matters during this, they might expect the mother of all retribution to descend upon them and T's & C's reduce even further. Their mettle will have been tested and found wanting. We must hope that doesn't happen.

Called Brexit. You were told it wasn't going to be an easy divorce.

Give them €15 fares to where they want to go and there will never be an opportunity.

O'leary says in the Times today ' we may have got Pilot pay a little on the low side'

Just a Tad .

Of course there is no sign of the FR crew doing anything to force an improvement in T&C. When did they ever have a backbone and stood up to MOL? I suspect they will just bend over and will be business as usual for Ryanair.

Does anyone know if planes were grounded yesterday or this morning, because of "sick"/late pilots ?

If not, well...
it's over already

Are any wheels in motion by the pilots at any of the bases? Hear a lot of meetings are going on - just hope you all support each other, if things don't change now management know they can do whatever they damn like going into the future.

Best of luck to all staff and their families - you have support of all pilots worldwide

Dear All
 

I would like to point out that RYR would not be were they are now if it was not for all the pilots that payed for the typerating .

That is now the industry standard.
It would not be like this if it was not for you.

So this is the time for YOU , that helped RYR and the other greedy LOC CEOs ,to make amends.

Support your local ALPA and help us make RYR a great place to work, like South West.

That will make for a safe and prosperous company. Not only for RYR.
But for all the wannabe LOCOs in Europe and the rest of the world.

And for Gods sake : Put on a proper uniform so I can tell the difference between you and a Cadet! ( sorry, just had to add that)

The fact that you payed for your Type rating does not make you a traitor to me, but if You dont act now,,,,,,
Well then it is up for review!

I have held back on this for a long time, but this is the truth and historic fact!

Putting on my old helmet and standing by for incoming!

Good luck to all.

Give them some time people
 

I am sure they are getting organized, O'Leary is screwed for the next few weeks anyways.

INteresting links

RYR ? waiting for the other shoe to drop « cockpitseeker

and

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/...ares-1.3110409

was he preparing for it ? is it legal ?

That's insider dealing. I'd be surprised if thats not picked up by the authorities...

Ryanair pilots - Your time is "RIGHT NOW"! A one off chance to save not only your own terms and conditions but this whole industry from being ruined by one smug bugger of an Irishman with a bloody great ego and his airline that has slowly brought down Ts & Cs across the UK Airline industry! And why? Because other CEOs are following his example and getting away with it! This "rush to the bottom" didn't just happen, Ryanair started it, EasyJet followed and slowly but surely others are following by example. Worst of all, he's got away with it! Ryanair might have more passengers than most other UK airlines put together and a fleet that will number over 500 in the next few years but at what cost? Only you can be the judge of that! Pilot Ts & Cs will never recover if this is allowed to continue. You might as well have Donald Trump running your airline!!! As for pilot representation - words fail me! Without BALPA it could have been much worse for the rest of us, well just like Ryanair in fact! Just ask any Thomas Cook pilot right now!

Dreamers
 

I started off with a flag carrier where one of the union reps sold us out and went straight into management..this was after a near strike which led to Britian's worse disaster and an airline that lost seven hulls in the six years I worked for them. Few appeared at the public inquiry and the main witness was drummed out of the airline and went on to work for club Med teaching sailing dinghys.

I eventually joined The European Airline..fantastic salary,conditions and pension. A loco was set up without our standards and on my post command course I witnessed a fellow captain haranguing the chief pilot about safety. He was taken aside and read the riot act. The loco subsequently lost two aircraft through pilot error.

A colleague took the airline to court as some of us hadn't had leave for eighteen months and won (local law minimum of two weeks leave). Another colleague failed him on a sim check so they could sack him.

The airline decided to replace 25% of the fleet within less than a year which lead to a massive pilot shortage..most of the trainers resigned but there are always your mates who will dump on you.

We had managers resign and some who were sacked who refused to comply with some of the sh&t descending from above.

End result airline went skint and loco carried on..not forgetting that the morons voted for one of our ex chief pilots to run the pension fund.

I fly with Ryaniar and mostly it's a better product than my first employer from whom I receive a small pension. I avoid them. The exception was nearly two weeks ago on the day after my flight was cancelled to Nice where the captain was a disgrace as said zero after the precabin briefing in spite of sitting on the taxiway in dublin for 15 minutes. Professional ..no way.

I also have some contact with a very experienced avaitor whom I respect and has insider information that Ryaniar standards are very high.

Yes I will continue to fly with them even though I have the ackkers to go elsewhere. I do have no fly operators.

I don't expect that the majority of the pilots will take action because (we) are a self centred bunch.

I note that the FR pilot didn't mention top end salaries on the radio interview...hundred plus grand after tax? For 5 on 4 off...yes please.

Command after four years! Took me and a lot of my mates twenty years...and we were professionals!

And don't forget the tax fiddle for Brits who live in frog but fly out of the uk!

Exactly - I have just booked 4 more FR flights at 9,99 € each. If they are cancelled, I'll get a refund, I have nothing to lose.

Um......Since you've used the present tense I'd point out the way Foreign crew (certainly the Brits) who live in France are taxed changed a while ago.

Now back to the thread.....