If you want to work for Ryanair work for them, if you don't, then don't.

I don't get all the MOL bashing. He runs a VERY successful business with a business model that delivers.
My only criticism is there seem to be no 'family values' as part of the strategy, but that is their choice.

I know that's controversial, but that is modern transport - it's about moving people cheaply.

Because you don't get it does not mean others don't. Who started the race to the bottom on this side of the Atlantic ? With a strategy that is aimed at eliminating opposition by whatever means and a CEO who openly casts doubt on the ability of others to survive for no other reason than to further damage those operations, it is very reasonable to develop a bit of a dislike of the man. And when the strategy has succeeded what price cheap seats then ?

Comes on a professional pilot forum with heavy European focus and wonders why those who are directly subsidising her flights, and those indirectly affected, aren't equally enthused. Genius.

Tone deaf.

Is there an online forum where some anonymity is traded for members submitting CP/ATP licence details to gain access?

Dozens of cancellations for today and tomorrow as well.

https://www.cloud.scorebuddy.co.uk/r...ate=2017-09-15

It seems that sh*t is starting to hit the fan down in FR

Only 80 flights cancelled today,

And another 80 so far tomorrow.

MOL must be going absolutely apoplectic over this. Oh to be a fly on the wall.

How much to cancel a flight? 30-50k at least? He just doesnt get it.....offer a day off payment to contractors and increase the payment for ryanair staff and maybe people will work a day off. Then address the fact why 100s are leaving.

For such a so called clever bright man, has he heard the phrase you "reap what you sow" before?

Seems like BA, Midland, Easy all cancelled flights due to ATC strike, why do you assume FR is due to crew shortages?

I didnt realise the stn-edi routes passed tgrough france. The french strike is a blessing in disguise

Because the strikes finished two days ago.

These flights are for today, the French aren't on strike today.

I suspect that most wouldn't be able to work a day off as most won't have the hours available to do so.

:ok: and haven't been for a few days, so I'm not sure why some posters are using the present tense.

It was a "one dayer", kicked in late Monday night, finished around Midnight Tuesday. At least one other airline operated full services into, out of and over France from Wednesday onwards and I flew into a French airport on Wednesday night.......so no, any FR cancellations today are not down to French ATC being on strike.

Mind you just so MOL and others can get their excuses in early they might want to be aware there is another "day of action" next Thursday...not sure of the level of ATC involvement.

"Ryanair’s Irish fiction refuted by European Court of Justice.

GS Capture: please supply a link. The next question: is this ruling binding and if so, what are the authorities going to do about enforcing it? And what recompense and other refunds can the victims claim back? If they have incurred expenses which should have been at the employer's cost then surely they should be refundable. There is also a question about lost 'are time' or time off. The commuters were on duty positioning in their own time and so were not operating according to a correct contact.
Will this can or worms ever be opened?

RYR only need to hang on until the clocks change and then enjoy another 6 month respite before the next season starts.

Having spoken to a few FR guys the 100hr/28 days bit is hurting. With delays etc... one commented that the 60 hrs/7 days was not enabling working days off or swaps. The roster apparently shows standby cover but crew auctually unable to be called due hours. Throw in a few standard sickness, technicals and all is in a bit of a pickle. Crew control not answering calls. One guy said most of his base are refusing days off as the very long days with min rest between is proving a bit punishing. Guys gasping for their months off which are about to start again. Only rumours off course.....

I wouldn't be so sure about that. Anybody that I know that has left Ryanair has never looked back. The place is toxic.

Southwest can have a profitable Airline and a happy workforce that see the job as a career....why can't O'Leary?

I seriously think they underestimate how much of a problem this will be for them.

They are totally feckless. Let's not forget for the last few months they have been flying in cabin crew from dub each morning as they are short on that front as well.

I do feel sorry for the people on the phones in crewing, the bosses have ballsed up, and they along with rest of staff are having to work hard. (Oh that is probably why have of crewing have also resigned in last month!!)

I wouldn't be so sure. Their 900 calendar year reverted to start on January 1st this year (I believe), so by the end of the Summer many of them will be very high on hours - the schedule will slow down slightly but that's when the months off begin.

They may breathe a sigh of relief on January 1st, but it will be short lived. If they can't crew the aircraft now, they have no chance with expansion. It's absolutely fantastic to see, imagine how many additional flights would be cancelled if their crew had the balls to call sick or fatigued when they're...sick or fatigued.

they are cancelling about 80 flights per day
:E

I'd imagine the 737 rated DEC tree isn't baring any fruit and people are still heading for the door marked 'exit.' What's new? They'll pull through, bury their issues with PR spin and add a few extra zeros to the balance sheet for additional wet leasing costs. I wouldn't get too excited.

A link:

Ryanair loses EU court battle to keep Irish law for crew abroad | Reuters

I did try to add link on it put this site didn't allow me to do it since I haven't posted enough :hmm:

https://www.eurocockpit.be/news/ryanairs-irish-fiction-refuted-european-court-justice

Good questions and probably it's just a small start but at least it is something. I don't think nothing will ever be refunded or so but as long as it slows down or it's a once step closer to stop this kind of employment it's always a good news to hear.

Oh and heard the same, Ryanair cancelled and will cancel odd ~80 flights a day.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/irel...22671?mode=amp

Up to 50 Cancellations for 6 weeks due to staff shortage

Maybe its time for FR to face reality. 5 on 4 off is not enough anymore. I've been told that even NTR DEC are not lining up anymore. True or not who cares...

Ryanair spainish flight cancelled for Sunday 17th not able to contact "the live chat line for re-routing. BUSY ????
Anybody any idea was it ???

(1) lack of staff.

(2) what if any compensation a passenger might get. ( according to the web site if you make your own way home you will have to claim from your travel insurance). But what choice does one have.

Now Ryanair have sent all pilots a memo that "to improve productivity, they may have to change the roster pattern", and some pilots have already gone on to 5/3 with today's roster.

Just saw this in the news..... I am going to spend the next 10 mins on the floor after falling off my chair laughing then ill come back for a full read of the rumours lol........ After 8 years in that company before jumping ship in 2014 I can't tell you how happy I am it seems to have finally bitten them back.

Fantastic news for us Pilots.

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All I see is 5/4 being turned into 5/3 for the FR drivers.
If you're out of hours....... unpaid leave, as in Winter, is always an option.

Don't see where there is an upside here.

Good luck to all.

Plenty of upside. Either you leave, or you stand up and fight for your rights. Simples!

The upside is that the cracks are becoming holes and they will have to stop the further degrading of terms to plug the holes. This will hopefully stop the race to the bottom getting even lower.

Yes if your in FR this could suck short term but if your employed elsewhere this could change the mind of an employer saying lets not give a pay rise next year after seeing that you can't get away with it for ever.

RYR arrogance really knows no bounds, and as usual it's not their fault. Mismanaged recruitment and retention policies pure and simple. If the ECJ ruling and cnx flights due lack of staff do affect the share price then surely questions to be asked at the next AGM?

If Ryanair pilots actually grew a backbone, this situation would not 'suck' for them because they'd flat out refuse to operate duties outside of the agreed roster pattern, would offer to work days off for an extra 500 Euro, etc. Unfortunately, they don't have a backbone, so Ryanair still get away with doing what they want with the pilots that are left.

9000 passengers a day for six weeks would be a lot of money in compensation. At some point it's cheaper isn't it to boost salaries and conditions so people stay and fly then having to pay compensation and letting down the passengers for not being able to retain staff because of bad conditions.

Ironically the 5/3 change will probably mean easier days as you can't sustain 4 sect days on 5/3 like you can on a 5/4, so that won't be a solution.

Am praying for some serious pressure from shareholders over this and the ecj ruling that just maybe will force a regime change.....well one can only hope.

Ryanair cancelling '40 to 50 flights a day' for six weeks
http://news.sky.com/story/ryanair-cancelling-40-to-50-flights-a-day-for-six-weeks-11037187

To be honest anyone who joined FR in the last 10years went in with their eyes open or otherwise had been living in a cave.

They went in there paying for their type rating, sleeping in airport car parks and paying to fly simply to tread on anyone in their path. They are as guilty as MOL in reducing T&C's.

So anyone on here who willingly applied to FR for a job and are complaining or laughing at FR's predicament should simply STFU and take a look in the mirror to see where it all went wrong.

Oh, grow up! Tell that to the bank and your family who's house will be taken away after you've bounded it to a loan if you don't start working. It's the management's fault. Sickening stuff goes on there. They're working in their office with slides and pool tables in blissful ignorance while people are having their careers ruined and their lives as well.

The Daily Wail is now on the case, and with (for them) only a minor distortion, i.e. "Ryanair cancels up to EIGHTY flights a day for six weeks because their staff haven't taken enough holiday" ?

Ryanair cancels up to eighty flights a day for six weeks | Daily Mail Online


Also Ryanair's Facebook page is getting swamped with complaints - interesting times.

Lets hope that this will improve T and C´s...... Holidays? What is that?

Mumkin Airways
 

Perhaps the chickens are coming home to roost, at long last.

600 ++ Ex Air Berlin B737 rated pilots should sort out any shortages. Seen it all before with Air Europe, for those who can remember.

According to this article in the Guardian, "The airline is changing its internal calendar as part of increases in holiday allowances for pilots and cabin staff, which has contributed to the backlog." Anyone noticed "increases in holiday allowances" recently?

https://www.theguardian.com/business...ve-punctuality