More pressure for Oliary


We are cruising at 36,000ft and I hate these bastards even more than you do, announces Ryanair pilot

GOOD QUESTION:ok:

No.

EASA can audit a national authority and issue findings and require the NAA to shape up. However, EASA has no mandate to take any real action such as revoking an NAAs oversight and right to issue licenses or certificates. If EASA finds that an NAA is not complying with the regulations, EASA will report to the EU Commission whom together with the Council of ministers have the power to take any real action. Given the status of some NAAs in Europe that have been reported earlier, it's more likely that MOL will get on his knees and apologise for the past 20 years than the EU-C and Council taking any action.

my two cents
 

If Ryanair pilots (and cabin crew) fail to seize the momentum, if there is a momentum at all, they might have to prepare for the backfire of their actions.

Imagine the psychological impact of a management victory over the first ever collective industrial action across all bases by pilots and cabin crew. Then it will be the last of any action by employees for years, decades to come. A lot at stake here.

Something else to think about: what if the management decides to single out individual pilots and cabin crew who have been identified as partaking in any form of industrial action action (work to rule, calling sick, reporting late, operate slow or inefficient, etc...) and fire them, tell them their services are no longer required ? Call them one by one, news will spread like a wildfire.

Will their colleagues be strong enough and stand foot ? Strike and demand fired colleagues to be rehired unconditionally ? Is there such a momentum ? Are pilots and cabin crew that much ready as a group ? If not, there is a very predictable outcome to all of this.

It's a pity that it's taken 15 years or so to finally stand up to this obnoxious bully. It's a pity that had a stand been made then, the decay in T&Cs led by Ryanair and Easyjet might just have been stemmed. BA's acquiescence to Walsh didn't help, either, more recently.

I think I speak for the entire industry, pilots and professionals alike when.....

https://youtu.be/aB2yqeD0Nus

The quote above is from the latest guardian article.

Someone people on here could be right about O'Leary. FR is no longer a start up or growing airline. O'Leary helped to revolutionise (hate it or love it) the airline sector in Europe, but the revolution is over and the revolutionaries are usualy the first causlities of the revolution. Ryanair is now a very profitable and established airline, it may need a more pragmatic and stable management to allow it to grow into the future. O'Leary has maybe overstayed his welcome. You could argue that O'Leary is a fundamentalist and an idealist, but usually those sort of personalities aren't the best people to run large established organisations.

Interesting to note from the above quote that some investors are genuinely concerned about the employment model.

I do think with the amount of heat on Ryanair and O'Leary, he has got to be feeling the pressure to keep his job. It's a shambolic mess and all the mud is being thrown. Whilst it would have been unimaginable that O'Leary would be leaving Ryanair anytime soon, the past 48 hours to me suggests there is a real possibility he could be pushed, especially if the crews hold firm by not going that extra mile. O'Leary can be replaced easily without any disruption, much harder with the crews.

Absolutely Maverick. It is time for Ryanair to grow up and live up to its position in the market. Time to say goodbye to MOL.

Throwing sickies isn't the way to do it. Start sticking to your (alleged) 45 min reporting times, don't allow yourselves to be rushed, question every single 'load sheet', blah blah blah. Make the company realise how much your good will has allowed them to fly so many sectors. In 70s Britain, we called this a work to rule.

Killer blow to Ryanair? hahaha. You, sir, are deluded!

cgb, whilst I agree entirely with your sentiments the problem here are the "Martini" pilots (you know, any place, any time etc) who would not do this. Also because of the lack of union recognition individuals would be singled out for "special treatment" - fancy a base in Kaunus?

If there is a good chance of the plane making it to the other end in one piece, there will ALWAYS be folk who want the cheapest ticket going.

£40 for a ticket to Malaga? "Outrageous!" I don't want to pay more than £19.99 (plus £500 for a suitcase).

That is not going to change any time soon.

The only solution, as I see it, is for the sea ferry company's to seriously up their game and provide some quality alternatives.

Combine journey with duty free, and you can close all those expensive airports too. We don't want a third runway at Heathrow we need to be digging at least one of the runways up and building the houses the country so desperately needs for all the jobs created in the wave of new dock-building.

Win-win-win.

Goodnight.

Looks like there is no shortage of staff in the Ryanair PR department at least.

It's easy to see through all that fear mongering for what this really is, just an attempt trying to dissuade pilots from getting some very much needed changes that are long overdue.

Safe to say that there are many many behind you in this, best of luck!

The time for the gutless FR pilots to strike is long overdue. (Many individuals are not gutless, of course, but as a group, the FR Pilot Group has no spine)

MOL is a foul-mouthed plebeian with greed running all the way through his shameless self. And he is supported indirectly by your tacit acceptance of his abuse and shaming of his pilot workforce. You his pilots.

Shame on you all. You could strike, you could work to rule, and instead you submit and meekly accept the terms and conditions laid down by this unpleasant SOB and his acquiescent managers.

Go on, stop pussyfooting and beating about the bush, tell us what you really think.

This is sailing too close to Godwin's law.

I think its time for IALPA to openly defend and invite the ryr pilots to join their union. By Irish law one is allowed to seek representation by unions.

Although I take no pleasure in doing so, I have to agree that much of what hargreaves99 said is correct. We, as a collective pilot body, are pretty much useless at "standing together", individual circumstances and looking after oneself will always prevail. Other industries aren't like that but for some reason we are and O'Leary knows that.

Funnily enough, someone I know and don't like very much said last year that O'Leary should become the Taoiseach because "things would get done and would work properly". Same individual rubbished other airlines which he said were too expensive, I pointed out to much laughter that I'd rather fly with an airline which treats it's crew well. Funny how these things work out...

I think as has been pointed out, the cost of training itself is one of the things that keeps pilots from organising. Odds are, from the beginning a lot of folk see Ryanair as a stepping stone, get in, keep ones head down, do a few years and move on. With a load of debt and a lack of long-term commitment, it won't be easy to get everyone to put their head above the parapet though I hope the T&Cs are improved.

Ryanair flights cancelled
 

A bit of old news now, but many thousands of Ryanair flights have been cancelled, in the last week, due to Pilot shortages. Apparently pilots have been leaving Ryanair for other companies, and also there has been a 'mix up' with the pilot holidays.


Ryanair boss Michael O'Leary plans to make the pilots delay their holidays, and has offered a 10,000 Euro financial incentive to them, if they help ease the backlog. It is estimated that this situation will last for at least the next six weeks.

Under some pressure from the CAA -

Ryanair agrees to put passengers on other airlines' flights

To borrow and add to a phrase from Graham Taylor, do I think Mr O'Leary will not like that.

Really?

Wow, that's a development!!. I'd be really surprised if there weren't several threads already covering such a scenario.:ugh:

Over 400 messages in this thread:

http://www.pprune.org/terms-endearme...g-flights.html

Can anyone please tell me the fundamental difference between Ryanair and the other lc carriers the likes of Easyjet, Wizz, BlueAir just to name a few of the them?
I mean are the terms so different or poor at Ryanair versus the others?
Do forgive me for asking but not living in the EU and not being associated with any EU carriers we here don't get to hear or read much about the discontent about pilots at other airlines.
Just curious. ..
Thanks

In my company, that is one you mentioned, and not the best one, the salary is lower than in Ryanair after taxes, but, I do have a local contract with HP, sick leave, social security and taxes paid, and all the usual stuff. The only money I paid out of my pocket were 80 euros for the two hotel nights during the interview. That's it. When I go out of base for any reason the company is paying everything and arranges all you need. I have night crew car service any duty day. The company pays for medical and license renewal.
As far as I know in Ryanair you have to pay for the interview (I mean you have to pay Ryanair to interviewing you), you have to pay 30k upfront for your 737 type. You are self employed (like the plumber), so you fly you get money, you don't fly, for any reason, you get nothing. Out of base you need to find your own accomodation, you pay your recurrent sim, license, medical, transportation and uniform. You are self employed, aren't you ?
Here is not the best place, and I do not think we are in a better shape than Ryan, but, espacially as first officer, the deal is better than Ryan.

That seems unnecessarily mean.

RAFAT Other industries aren't like that but for some reason we are and O'Leary knows that.

I work in one of those industries, and the amount of bullying and harassment that goes on is unreal. Unfortunately very few speak up for fear of being chastised by the rest of the workforce.

The days of 'brotherhood' are long gone. Look after your own career - sod everyone else!!

I really thought the old US model worked quite well for highly trained and skilled people. i.e. If one is still in the same job after two years, and below the age of 45, chances are you have already entered the spiral dive to obscurity. Of course if you have not upskilled in that time may it's time to change horses completely. :(

italian stallion - there is one massive difference and that is the presence of unions. Ryanair actively prevent the presence of unions in their company and the others do not. We can get into a long discussion about how they achieve what is essentially illegal, but that is what they do. I work for easyJet and it is not perfect, but it is very good. All the contracts are visible and published - you know exactly what you get in each country. The other key difference is who runs it. Michael O'Leary is a hard-nosed, tough, aggressive individual who does not care whether his employees live or die - they are simply pawns in the game. Any pilot who does low cost in Europe knows how utterly exhausting it can be. Here is what Michael O'Leary has to say about pilot fatigue -


https://twitter.com/DMcCaffreySKY/st...02221738151936

I would strongly suggest you would be hard put to find another airline boss who would say that. This is the Victorian mill owner translated into the airline industry of today.

O'Leary is claiming in the Irish times that pilots are overpaid for doing a simple automated job..

The pay scales quoted are Captains €150,000 to €180,000
FOs. €80,000 to €120,000

Are these correct or is he trying to turn the punters against the pilots by making them seem like overpaid madonnas?


https://www.irishtimes.com/business/...29047?mode=amp

It seems ironic that MOL and his gang are waiting in the wings so to speak and pick up the pieces of Alitalia if things go wrong. How the hell is he going to crew such a base given the present situation.

Well, if Alitalia breaks there will be 10.000 unemployed pilots right there. (I don't know the real number of pilots employed, but it is many). They will all be screaming for a job, and as many cannot get jobs with other airlines, MOL will be able to set the conditions as he likes.

Yes there have been some threads...but they seem to disappear into a dark downstairs cupboard of pprune. Why would this be when Ryanair's crew shortage is by far the top aviation story there's been for some time?

A quick search on wikipedia reveals that in 2014 Alitalia had just over 11,000 employees in total and currently has 98 aircraft. Therefore there isn't going to be even close to "10.000 unemployed pilots right there" so what is the point in spouting these kind of grossly inaccurate figures?

I really don't think so, Italian are proud pilot, most of them will prefer to stay redundant instead of being employed by RYR :=
Furthermore, Alitalia doesn't operate 737, you should know that !

There are currently 3 threads running on Ryanair. This in itself contradicts PPRuNe rules, but the mods have recognised that there are several separate issues involved and have, to their credit, made an exception in this particular case. I don't think we need any additional threads.

Simple question from a simpleton. Does Ryr have a board of directors? If so, what are they doing whilst the chief clown and his HR/Crewing lackeys steer the ship towards the rocks? And judging from noises from other airlines, the flying hours versus leave versus crew numbers is not only affecting Ryr!

Now where did I put that cruise ship brochure...........?

Ryanair pilots should not expect any regulatory intervention. European oversight is a bureaucratic gravy train with some Excepted Airlines and Special Arrangements for those in charge.

The Guardian article mentioned several airlines offering Ryanair pilots better “employment”. Norwegian was not one of them, nor can it be.

Irrespective of free uniforms, it is a fact that directly employed Ryanair pilots leaving to be employed by OSM or Rishworth agencies and temporarily rented to a Norwegian airline, will have even fewer labor rights and labor principles than they do now. Other than Scandinavia, Norwegian pilots have neither union representation nor a collective agreement with the airline. From the ‘pot to the frying pan’ may never be more appropriate.

Pilots on Ryanair contracts have a legal right to organize and obtain trade union representation to the airline. Pilots on atypical contracts, such as Norwegian, have no such right. Rather than run away ALL Ryanair pilots at ALL bases should immediately and individually join the Irish Airline Pilots Association via the internet:

https://ialpa.net/forums/index.php?a...ction=register

As membership increases IALPA can organize a representation vote - permitted without prejudice under ILO convention 98, to which Ireland is a signatory:

http://blue.lim.ilo.org/cariblex/pdf...vention_98.pdf

Such action will determine if Ryanair pilots wish to remain divided slaves or united masters of their destiny.

I’d write more, but more important than any megalomaniac collector of broken fridges and cookers, I’m watching KUWK and there’s a chance I may snatch a glance of Kendal Jenner’s hamster.

Furious RyanAir Pilot Calls LBC To Reveal All About Working Conditions

Well worth a listen to!