I hear a rumour Qatar are flying in to the rescue again!

I'd like to see Qatar do a 25 min turn-around.

Cabincrew is not happy as well...

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/cons...34310?mode=amp

I think it would be far more interesting to hear what is the average or median salary instead of the response there in the end of the article where Ryanair is saying they earn up to 40k. So it could be anything from 0 to 40k...

So this pops up on the 'Joining Ryanair' thread dated 6 days ago at the height of the crisis. Could the ECA,BALPA,IALPA,SEPLA etc not issue a statement requesting a recruitment ban until Ryanair sort out the pilot contracts and concern. Anyone joining now and undermining the current employees position should at least be 'highlighted':ugh:

dd - that is not legally possible as there is no union representation at RYR, by design. But the :mad: who made that post showed complete contempt of his potential future colleagues and those posting on this thread.

But picking up on one of RAT's previous posts - You do have to wonder why RYR's staff leave. Any company that heamorages experienced, valuable staff should really be worrying about how they are managing their operation. It shows their current regime has little value for their staff. If it suits them, they stay, if not they go. I'll suggest the same applies to their passengers and suppliers. The entire operation is little more than a giant favelka built on sand with no investment in its foundation. Only so long as it can generate cash today it has a value and recent events show it has no resilience, a requirement for genuine long term value as well as existence.

This all seems to be blowing over pretty quick. Normal operation will resume very shortly I fear.

His potential future colleagues who have done the exact same thing in the past you mean? You cannot expect sympathy there mate. They have done the exact same thing and used RYR to shortcut their careers. They happily accepted the T&Cs.

Having said that, if they really want to change their working conditions. NOW is the time to act and you have my full support! (For whatever that is worth.) An increase in T&C's in one of Europe's biggest aviation "employer" is good for the whole industry.

And also thumbs up for the cabin crewmembers who are stepping up. Compared to how they are treated the pilots are treated like little princesitas.

IALPA should in my view come out with a statement as RYR is the biggest AOC holder in Ireland. The only association who as openly condemned the practices at RYR is the ECA. Kudo's to them!

I tend to agree and it’s only a matter of time before investors figure that out, some already have; one pension fund has already sold €300m worth of shares.

What’s happening at Ryanair will simply not go away, regardless of what the pilots do, as Ryanair have exhausted their supply of experienced pilots who are willing to accept rubbish T&Cs.

The stock exchange will soon enough read into it.

Exactly, it is only a matter of times. Industrial action takes weeks to prepare.

https://www.theguardian.com/business...sted-edinburgh

Not going away anytime soon

It gets worse: BBC lunchtime TV news says more cancellations, few thousand flights, 30-something routes closed for winter.

Edit: oh, cross-posted with post just above, more detail there

I see in that article they are still not admitting to the fact it’s a pilot shortage problem, still trying to divert attention and make it seems like it’s an annual leave issue. Any punter with half a brain cell will see through it though, if you haven’t enough staff to cover annual leave; then bottom line is you haven’t enough staff!

400,000 booked tickets.

November 2017 to march 2018

With this new cancellations it looks like the efforts of the pilots and cabin crew is getting noticed. First in the news, then at the stock exchange and finally at the negotiating table. So keep up the good work guys and gals!:)

I was quite surprised last week when on BBC's The One Show, some journalist I've never seen before said this was basically a dispute between pilots and the airline.

That seemed to me to go well beyond over-simplification. Add it to O'Leary's comments about 18 hours not bring hard work and so on, and there seem to be efforts by some to shape opinions of the proportion of the population that tend to be mainly anti-union etc

On the other hand, all of the show's preceding short video clips of cancelled passengers complaining showed them all criticising only the company.

My concern is that when the inevitable financial crisis hits (which it will, and soon), Ryanair will once again having all manner of experienced guys and girls battering their door down for a job.

Woooow!
 

Half a million pax will be affected.

Ryanair extends flight cancellation plans to mid-March

So, as I saw on spanish news, there have been several cancellations due to 25 airplanes being shutdown/replaced until march 2018 or so. Obviusly, they don't say anything at all about pilot shortage or any kind of negotiation within the company.

One thing to be pointed out is that, spanish tv has also re-emited the reportage about ryanair workers, their undercovered bad situation, etc... I'd gladly read news about an enhance on their roasters/salary/overaltreatmen as a result of everything that is happening right now.

Hi,

I wrote several of The Guardian's stories about the pilot/crew dispute with Ryanair last week.

A colleague has done an early version of our story about the latest cancellations, affecting 400k passengers.

I'm now looking to add to the story and expand upon it. I'm most interested in whether there could be more cancellations if pilots don't succeed in securing improved terms.

Last week, Ryanair flat out denied there would be any more cancellations and yet here we are.

What to pilots think about this latest development? Have we seen the last of cancelled flights? What else am I missing?

From the Telegraph

A spokesman said: "This slower growth will provide stability to pilot rosters from November to March. We will not need pilots to give up one week of their well-earned annual leave from November onwards."

Quite a change in tone from the Pikey King and his 18 hours a week nonsense.

Is this further reduction on top of the normal transition to a less busy winter schedule?

So the person to fix rostering is the same that made his name working down the baggage handler strike of 98. Who's normal solution is to offer the same contract to everybody whether they are a cabin crew, pilot or manager, only each and every one with a different pay. Wonder if he has even seen the rosteering system or what training it takes to know it's potential.

Why is 95% of the media coverage about this whole issue coming from RYR management sources and so little repost & response from the flight crew being reported? Why is there so much alleged mis-information or 'being economical with the truth' 'alternative facts' being reported with no counter/balanced arguments being aired? If IALPA or BALPA have such a sleepy or inept PR department then they are missing an opportunity to help themselves big time. Equally, the media need only do a 'fact check' themselves to ridicule the rubbish (e.g. 18hr weeks and €150,000pa salaries, no zero hour contracts etc.) and then publish the truth. It is amazing how this situation is being played out. The 2% affected pax are screaming and the rest are blind-eyeing it and possibly believing 'the company line'. Perhaps there are some fireworks in the pipeline. I still expect this to carry on until next summer and then it might all unravel.
I found it amusing to read RYR are cancelling the STN EDI/GLA routes for the winter and offering alternative flights (or refunds). If you really want to go to Scotland on business I wonder which alternative flights could be interesting? Let the train take the strain. Door to door it'll be the same and in better comfort. Let easy jet resurrect The Scottish Shuttle from LTN & STN. On the hour every hour alternating LTN/STN. Go for it Orange: back to your roots(routes; it's how you started)

"In addititon, ten days after saying it was preparing to buy the Italian carrier Alitalia, it today announced that it was dropping its bid in order to "eliminate all management distractions"."

Interesting. I thought MOL was looking to absorb as many 'injured' airlines as possible?

As the telegraph said, more to follow ...

Didn't he say that Norwegian will probably only last another 4 or 5 months, and certainly not survive the winter?

Are we sure that MOL wasn't referring to his own airline with those words...

Ryanair is a long way from being insolvent. Alas because so much of what O'Leary says is pr bilge any truth hidden in his waffles gets lost. He's right about Norwegian. Their balance sheet looks awful but somebody else will go bust first and sooner rather than later.

About time passengers stop being exploited.
CAA expedites enforcement action against Ryanair for persistently misleading passengers | UK Civil Aviation Authority

Further cancellations
 

The market responded well to the announcement of further cancellations.
It’ll all be forgotten by Paddy’s Day.
It’s now or never boys, good luck.

You're missing the correct grammar for a start considering you're a journalist. :E I'm just joking, but you need to take a look at the things Ryanair are doing, what the truth really is, and why the UK CAA would issue a statement today if they didn't think things were being done in, lets say, a slightly underhanded way. You're a journalist aren't you? You have access to the internet?

Google should be your friend. Start with 'Ryanair' and maybe add 'Brookfield.' How about 'Ryanair Pilot Group' or 'IALPA' or even 'REPA'

Unfortunately an unprecedented amount of information exists on the web portraying a less than hormoneius relationship between the airline and its pilots.

I think a lot of it also has to do with asking the right questions. RYR are experts at PR spin and love to be pedantic as accountants normally are. I suspect they actually believe some of the BS they spout.

Only 100 captains and 160 f/o's leaving RYR? I think not, but maybe those are the ones on the Ryanair contracts, I wonder how many on the storm and brookfield contracts?

Just like when they say they are investing 100 million into xyz airport. They are quoting list price of a new Boeing. I might as well advise how I am investing 30k into my local airport when parking my car there. My car is not worth more than 2k, but if I quote the new list price it always sounds great.


As I said it is all about asking the right questions...

The CAA seem a little hacked off and they don't seem to mind who knows it.

https://www.caa.co.uk/uploadedFiles/...r%20270917.pdf

Bet they are putting in some overtime tonight then.

Well spotted Util bus.

Another observation of lies in the press today is the statement of the cancellation of 400.000 passengers and that thát would equate to less than 1 flight per day. Only if those flights would be full (189) that would mean 2116 sectors, or 1058 flight pairs.... over 151 days....

Further to the CAA taking action I cannot help but feel that this whole action by Ryanair smacks of fraud and mis-selling. If thousands of people are misled into buying tickets to arrange transportation for their holidays/leave and then find they are cancelled surely this is taking money under false pretences?

Maxfli any thoughts about the sharebuyback, they bought shares over the last weeks again.

"Such purchases under a share buy-back programme usually tend to drive up a company's share price. Ryanair's shares closed 1.2pc higher in Dublin yesterday at €16.94. There's nothing untoward about the share dealing, with a company's brokers - in Ryanair's case, Citigroup and Davy Stockbrokers - typically taking advantage of any share weakness during a buy-back programme to acquire shares for cancellation on behalf of their client. By buying shares in itself now, Ryanair saved approximately €1m compared to if it had bought them before the controversy of recent days."

Airline capitalises on slump by buying back ?12m of its shares - Independent.ie

The big issue here is whether staff at Ryanair will finally make the push to establish a trade union to represent them. My reading of the irish law is that staff are free to join trade unions and automatically win an unfair dismissal case if they are dismissed as a result of joining one. Trade unions

The only way you will ever have any real influence is through a trade union and if you ask me this is the best chance you're ever going to get so use it and join one...

What would be really clever is for those of you who already have job offers outside to openly declare you have joined a union, wait to be sacked and when sacked take Ryanair to a tribunal which you will win for compensation.

You will end up not working your notice
You will end up being paid probably a significant lump sum in compensation for not working
You will tie up Ryanair resources in a time of company crisis
Or he will be forced to accept and recognise your TU membership as legitimate.

I wish it were that easy to be sacked and cash in, but the company line has always been "if you want to waste your money on a union feel free, but we will never recognise them and if legally obliged to talk to them, we will simply twiddle our thumbs and not listen"