Pilot shortage at Ryanair.
 

Does anyone know the real story behind the flight cancelations. Did the company really not know the pilots had vacations coming or is Ryanair having retention or recruitment issues?

http://www.bnn.ca/ryanair-shares-tumble-as-airline-cancels-scores-of-flights-amid-pilot-shortage-1.859340

Alot came over to Thomson in the last four years and many have since transferred onto 787 and 75/76 fleets.

Everything is :mad:. Especially the latest memo.

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Buying back leave is not going to help if a pilot is on 900hrs the max rolling limit. In fact giving the pilot leave is the best option because each week off allows the pilot to move away from the 900hr max by circa 20hr for the week off.
I suspect MOL has been refusing leave slots through the summer, with all pilots now on 900hrs he has hit the buffers, he needs to recruit more. it will be very difficult to get out of this hole.

"Ryanair cancelling flights due pilot leave" was on our morning national (Downunder!!) news earlier today. Quite brief but Ryanair blaming new leave requirements for pilots and pilots blaming lack of resource (pilot resource I guess from what I read on this thread).

Simple get out of hole plan on the way no doubt.....cancel more flights!
Have they been pulling guys out the training department to crew flights? If so that might increase the training backlog which slows entry of new guys... line training etc... Besides a new 73 rated pilot starting today now would only be available after ground school, sim, line training, 3 months time?

Actually, the cause of the crash was a result of icing on the wings. The pilots noticed the icing but failed to do anything about it as they believed it was safe. They also failed to react properly to the aircraft stalling.

Yes the flight crew were understandably fatigued but it was their lack of training (especially the captain's poor simulator performances) which caused that accident through and through.

MOL's take on the pilot shortage........listen to the arrogance just 12 months ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6ytmFxB1ec

Irish newspaper believes RYR have lost 700 pilots in the last financial year..https://www.irishtimes.com/news/irel...25145?mode=amp

It is already make no sense to pay for your type rating in order to work, but even more ridiculous if you have airline experience.

Don't EZY do the same!? Even DECs still have to stump up the cash don't they?
Norwegian ask for the same initially however pay it back over three years so if you do your time it isn't so bad from what I heard.

Captain had 3000+FT, and would thus not be affected by the 'new' 1500h rule. And fatigue was definitely they main catalyst.

Whenever we talk about FR it's the same debate about guys with 200h in the cockpit and a disaster waiting to happen. P2F is immoral (and in many countries probably illegal), but it simply doesn't have anything to do with safety. I understand why unions are against it (and I support them), but the safety angle is BS.

Hello folks, apologies for butting in with an SLF type question but I am trying to comprehend the core issue amongst all the debate here. Is it the case that the problem has been triggered because Ryan Air had to change their concept of calendar year to be an actual calendar year rather than their company year, causing pilots to have reached/exceeded their 900hrs / year limit due to having to include hours from Q1?

That is the party line however many of us speculate it's a bit of a stretch and they're simply short of pilots. So instead of acknowledging that they're insidiously saying "pilots are cancelling your holidays so they can have their own!"... thereby setting up a strawman for the future.

(Disclaimer: post is entirely speculative and is not an attempt at a statement of fact)

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£400million wiped off yesterday..

£1billion today?!

It is so absurd as well as cadet recruitment process. Recruitment fee - 460 EUR just for possibility of start in recruitment process. Who has heard of such practice in any company in the world?

The recruitment process itself costs 300 hr cadets over 1000 euros (recruitment cost, simulator hire + tickets). In the meantime, Wizzair and other airlines funds the entire recruitment process, provide tickets for recruitment, hotels and give you a pernament contract of employment (with paid annual leave, insurance etc.).

Ryanair treats pilots (I speak from the perspective of the person looking for the first airline job) like piggy banks, wishing from them nearly 40,000 euros for training worth 15-20k euros.

They are loudly advertise to the world the launch of the "revolutionary" APC program, which is worse than the competition proposal which has been offering it for several years and does not require a huge contribution.

I am writing this only from the perspective of the person looking for the first job as the pilot. Maybe our correspondent from the BBC will use this point of view.

As MOL says people are queuing up to get paid £120k a year for 20hours a week.

They are working hard in the US to get this returned back to 200hours.

Where did You get this info? It seems a loro 400 mln...

If leave is spread evenly throughout the year then it has no effect, but if you force pilots to not take leave in the summer peak then you build up a potential down line problem. I am sure MOL has not given out any more leave, he has just made 1/4/17 to 31/12/17 a 3 week leave year. The 900hr max hours is a continuous rolling one, I once had to be taken off a trip as I would have infringed this CAA (legal) limit.

Here's enlightening text from IALPA about Ryanair.

https://ialpa.net/ialpa-analysis-of-...umbers-crisis/

The "leave allocations" is just a normal propaganda from Ryanair. They knew this was coming but they were too arrogant to do anything about it.

As per the article.

New joiners in 2017 = 634 ( new Fo's) mainly
Leavers 2017 = 718 (experienced)

Net loss = 80pilots over all but 700 experienced pilots gone.

New frames 2016-2017 = 100

10 pilots per frame = 1000 extra pilots needed to fly those frames..

Add in the 700 experienced guys that have left.. you could say they are 1700 experienced pilots short to run the fleet.

Obviously it can be interpreted differently but outgoing experience can not be balanced with inexperienced new pilots.

Pilots leaving Ryr is nothing new. What is interesting is over the last 3 years the calibre of people who have left it has been exponential. From lifer TRE's and trainers to young SFI 1500 hour talent. There has been a exodus of experience. Ryanair has dictated T &C's (or lack of) to an entire industry for nearly 2 decades. It seems now that the completely failed to grasp the fact that they are now the employer of last choice in a good employment market. For a company that makes over a billion euro a year they now need to consider the unthinkable ......and make their T & C's competitive. Will it happen.? My guess is they will tough it out until the winter schedule and rely on the public's goldfish memory.:ugh:

Full list of cancellations: https://static.rasset.ie/documents/n...cellations.pdf

(I'm flying DUB-EMA and back in a few weeks' time, looks like no cancellations at East Midlands at all.)

12.000 € Bonus..... https://www.rte.ie/news/business/201...us-for-pilots/
paid in October 2018 :}

And we all know what's going to happen in Sept 18 "due to predicted losses in winter 18" we will be unable to pay the bonus. They are just waiting for another airline to go under and then the pilots will be back to square one. Short term fixes.

LSE share price up 3% since the morning...

..... and Easy Jet similar numbers.

And come the next financial crisis, which is always around the corner, the shares will go up and up. We would need a regulatory solution to the mess we have, but since the Brussels is populated in part by the bureaucrats in part by the free market zealots, realistically, we are doomed to the status quo.

Majority of pilots (or at least many) are already perfectly content with being moved around Europe like cattle, with absolutely no thought given to their family life.

From the outside, it appears to be the solution that was expected - throw a bit of cash at it as a sticking plaster without addressing what appears most likely the root cause - crew retention. Which is why I personally, as an experienced 737 pilot, wouldn't even contemplate working for Ryanair even though they have a base at my local airport.

Hi GScapture. I am interested in hearing more about your experience at Ryanair.

MOL might be in for more trouble :- )

Ryanair offers pilots up to ?12,000 in one-off bonuses to work on days off - Independent.ie

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and when the pilots are threatening sickies etc to get their T+Cs improved are they also asking for the same improvements to be made to all the other Ryanair employees such as cabin staff etc?

thought not....

SO..... a co-pilot for example would get €6000 for working 10 of their days off, must complete min of 800 hours and still be employed on 01 Oct 2018 to get it.
So you can work 10 days extra for nothing if you quit before that.

Its work more and retention tied up as one. Great way to increase pilots hours. Do it next year nd save again:E:

Hahaha bunch of crooks!

don't accept anything just leave. It's time to show who has the power.

Have you seen the thriller movie "Seven" ? if you have, you'll see when I'm saying :
If you accept what FR offers, they will win. If you leave, you win.

The question is. 12000€, is it enough to keep you around an other year in an airline that has nothing to offer you, while you could build seniority elsewhere which can be critical in time to reach the eventual top scale or the left seat.

The bonus looks more like a bond.

The "bonus" is just a disgrace. They are just bonding people with even worse terms and conditions.

They need to do something now and immediately. Raise the day off payment up to 1000€ for cpt's and 500€ for FO's at least. Then on top of that the bonus without any conditions and new improved contracts. The new "extra" pay they are providing is just a one big joke, nothing more.

Well, nothing will change anyway, they will never change.

Just leave.