ha ha,
Love it when t@ats like you take the bait.

Could anyone provide an example of a typical roster for a LGW 787 FO, just in basic terms of days on/off (if there is any pattern to it)?
I've seen mention of 20 day trips, is that the norm or an extreme case?
Doesn't seem like much of a life from what I'm reading here, but I know people rarely post about the good things, only the bad. And from the outside, prospects look quite good compared to a legacy carrier.

It's entirely random, although the company is heading towards 8/6 as an aim to allow the commuters to commute.

Worst I've seen was 15-20 day trips, that seems rare now. I rarely go away more than 7 days in a row. 10 days off

Fade considering your post, ıs commute to Europe possible with the current roster pattern or more likely in the future and is uk tax deducted at source and then left to individuals to arrange any dual tax agreements with say Germany or Holland? Also are you required to be at base 24 hrs before a duty? Thanks

Thanks Fade to Grey, 8/6 sounds quite reasonable if that did ever happen. Guess as they get the crew numbers up it will get easier.

Is there any talk of permanent contracts? And if not any idea what happens after the three years are up?

Commuting is possible, and a lot of people do it.
Obviously it depends on where you are in Europe, as to how easy.

I'm not sure about the tax situation .

Rest wise, the normal rule applies of 12 hrs before duty.

I should mention of course, the possibility of different bases Europe opening up in the near future I'd think.

After three years with one agency, you are expected to move to another agency.
I don't believe th you ever be direct employment with Norwegian

Any B787 Capt that could shed light on approximate take home each month? Living in UK paying UK tax?
Cheers

Thanks, I am not too worried about direct employment and all that nonsense, more about keeping the tax affairs in order, especially with the purge on these so called Self employed pilots.. looking at the figures, based on between 10 and 11k Euro a month, converted to GBP it works out about 5k to 5.5 K a month after UK Tax, which, I think is reasonable, other astronauts may feel different, but that's their choice.

I don't work there, but the take home pay will be 4960 pounds (for a Captain) if you are married. This was using a tax calculator online.

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If you think this is "reasonable" based in one of the most expensive cities in the world, then good luck to you. We're all entitled to our opinions. With a family, renting a house in any of the suburbs within reasonable distance will cost you a fair chunk of your net pay.

If you think I'm an Astronaut for wanting/thinking the package should be significantly more, well then, I'm Neil Armstrong. Because I think it should be more, a lot more!! I mean, it's not even a permanent job FFS :ugh: I'd get laughed at trying to get a loan. By nature, contracts should pay more due to the temporary nature/lack of job security.

No wonder the industry has gone to the dogs with what is considered as reasonable by some here.

Some guys on great pensions from legacy carriers I have met, always seem happy to "top up their pension" with some of these gigs. To them it's ok, as its "fun money". They don't give a rats about guys earning this money as their sole income. They have not a clue about reality for the younger guys that didn't catch the gravy train. :ugh:

Stay away from flight school kids!!!! My son decided to be an Electrician, and I'm just so happy he won't be joining this crap circus. Tradesman over a future as an airline pilot. Easy choice these days I think.

twenty, I agree with you.
Unfortunately there are a lot people like Avenger who are taking the industry
down the tubes.
I hope they pay good for it.

Hi,
It's three years with agency, then open ended contract with another.
Captain pay after UK tax / NI is around £5.9k

Big que to join NLH now . Most DEC ex Middle East or far east inc China. Oh And the ex legacy bunch just to add to the numbers.

Based on this , Pay could actually go down. Its how the industry has operated over the last 10 yrs.

6k take home is as good as you can get working for a uk based carrier , right?
Gatwick isnt London . And driving 30 mins puts you in some affordable and adorable parts of sussex .

Very questionable attitude guys, play the ball, not the player..This is a forum, it does not mean everyone has to agree.. what is " acceptable" depends on individual circumstances, NLH seem to have plenty of applicants that know the score beforehand and one assumes they also find this " acceptable" . The pay is about 70 percent of my current pay, however, taking into account living overseas as opposed to a no mortgage house at home, not paying to store cars etc, it works out the same. With an existing FSP, anything above this is taxed at a high rate in any event. Of course, there are much younger skippers that need more money, but once again, personal choice. People like me to do "drag the industry standards down", in reality we probably raise them as our focus is towards professional standards and safe operations not simply pocket deep issues. Of course, I expect incoming flak, but I would rather fly with a contented lower paid individual than a flogged soldier constantly complaining about their lot. Personal sacrifices are made taking into account the big picture and I am happy to drive a 5 year old banger rather than the latest model BMW. Unfortunately, for some, success in this industry is not measured by what you have achieved, more by what you can buy..or afford to buy..helmet on!

Fade to grey: you say take home pay will be 5900 Pounds. How do you arrive at that figure, as I am putting in 7500 gross into an online tax calculator and its saying 4960 pounds. Admittedly each ones situation will be slightly different, but a thousand pounds is a lot? Are you including the per diem alowance? Or am i missing something?

I'm including the whole ball park in that number

Let's get this straight - it's not based in the city is it? And therefore does not come with the stratospheric cost of living well there in terms of property. You would have to be utterly mad to base yourself in central London for a LGW job. There are plenty of towns and villages in the Sussex/Surrey countryside where £5k+ take home would get you a rather nice property.

You say affordable down near gatwick for £5k - £5.5k a month...but tie in the fact that there is no pension so you have to save for your future yourself. There's a chunk coming out every month before you've even started. £6k sounds like it would be ok, but any less than £5k isn't worth it, not for a non-permanent contract. If they had a pension scheme and a permanent contract, £5k a month might be ok (ish).

Let's be honest. Most long haul FO's earn in the region of £5000 per month, many earning significantly more (and that includes a pension). For a captain to be earning that is derisory.

Yeah, it is an "ok" salary, but that is all. But for an experienced Airline Captain, your comment is ####### ridiculous. People like you make me shake my head in shame and see why the industry is, and has been well and truly F######! No pension and no permanent Job and you still think this salary is ok?! :ugh::ugh::ugh:

And by the way, how does one get a Mortgage for these "cheaper" areas exactly?? The Banks will not take to eagerly to a three year contract.

Bend over lads, smile and be happy to be paid to fly a new Jet ;)