fade,
Getting on your particular nerves is my hobby (mission accomplished).

If you translate and read the article, the report states Norwegian operates three independent airlines from the same 30 square meter office space; NAS, NLH and NAI. This does not comply with AOC regulations - but then, not complying does not seem to worry Kjos or his cronies.

Wrong again....
 

The crew room for 158 crew members are for 2 flights a day and for the 787 operation only. The 737 and 787 crew have separate crew rooms in LGW.

Greaser,
"Wrong again"........oh really ?

Why not contact the CAA investigating official, then we will see who is wrong and who is right. The public domain contact details are:

Mr. Frode Lenning, Section Manager, CAA Norway - Email: [email protected] Telephone: + 47 95215899

In the link above, Dagbladet Norway news reports:

"CAA Inspection of Norwegian's LGW base on 28 May this year ended with harsh criticism. So bad were the conditions that the authority came to the following conclusion - CAA considering the base debarred"

"Since this is by definition two different airlines under two different authorities, NAS and NAI must have two independent bases for business. This requirement has been unfulfilled. IAA does not accept a common base"

But what positive news of any 787 agency pilots being offered the Kjos promise of direct employment with Norwegian ?

Bondi.. there is a difference between " bases" and "offices". The IAA require that the facilities and resources to support the AOC are " in place" does not mean all in the same place, many airlines have remote locations for operational support and just a small crew room to collect and print off OFPs etc etc. As far as I can see there is no such legislation stating different airlines can't share the same facilities. Apart from you, who doesn't actually work for NLH I don't see anyone else complaining on such a trivial level. What's your beef with this Company.. the Devil makes work for idle hands I think!

Avenger:
"As far as I can see there is no such legislation stating different airlines can't share the same facilities"

Translate and read the report of the CAA inspection - Link: Norwegians London-base slaktet i sjokkrapport fra Luftfartstilsynet - nyheter - Dagbladet.no

If you disagree, I suggest you contact the inspecting officer, Mr. Frode Lenning, Section Manager, CAA Norway: - Email: [email protected] Telephone: + 47 95215899.

As for idle hands, I hope this is not your new agenda.

I assume no 787 agency pilot, has so far been offered the Kjos promised, direct employment with Norwegian. Anyone know why ?

Cos he's a . . . kin liar ? ? :rolleyes: just a guess . . . . .

ZZZZzzzz
 

So boring ......

Bondi, the "report" to which you refer appears to be a tabloid selective write up and is hardly condemning evidence, anyway, it is somewhat irrelevant as the UK AOC is all but complete, Gatwick Gossip says Norwegian are about to sign for new offices and they are now advertising for 787 CP to "support the New AOC". The training and admin for 737 is moving to Dublin and they are seeking trainers and managers there also. The Norway CAA has a courtesy agreement with the UK and IAA and had its knuckles wrapped last year for being 2 months late in applying for oversight extensions, so it can hardly poke the finger! The LH crews we meet, whatever their reasons for joining, seem content and we should support their choices rather than try and bring the cards crumbling down,,give up your beef!

An informative response. However, you conveniently do not respond to my question; How many agency pilots have so far been transferred to direct employment with Norwegian, as promised by Kjos in his letter to the U.S. DoT on June 1st, this year ?

"It has been and will continue to be our firm policy to offer all pilots and cabin crew employed through agencies the opportunity to transfer their employment to a company in the Norwegian Group at the end of a transitional period"

The Kjos letter, Exhibit 1, can be viewed at the following link: Regulations.gov (ref: DOT-OST-2013-0204-0203, pdf attachment)

I note from the BALPA website that Norwegian pilots are now part of a 9,000 strong family. The word 'strong' has never been so misplaced.

"The British Airline Pilots Association (BALPA) has announced that pilots from West Atlantic Airlines and Norwegian Air Shuttle have decided to be represented at work and at a national and international level by the professional association for the UK pilot family"

BALPA announcement Link: BALPA | Norwegian Air Shuttle & West Atlantic pilots join growing BALPA pilot family

Surely a 9,000 'strong' family, would have no trouble bringing Kjos to task over his signed promise to employ their member pilots directly, rather than rent pilots from third-party agencies.

Meanwhile, if you walk along Bath Road, between the LHR aircraft noise, you will hear the sound 'ca-ching ca-ching' as Norwegian pilots union dues are deposited in the BALPA cash register.

Really ? Balpa ?
Must be for the short haul lot, long haul developing their own Union.

I was in BaLPa before and they were utterly useless, and according to some friends from GsS they were useless there too .

Still doesn't change the fact you need to go to the beach Mr bonds and forget your constant bear baiting

9/4 - Dagbladet News reports the Norwegian Cockpit Association believes Norwegian's use of American and Asian crew onboard Norway registered B787 aircraft is illegal, and their intended course of action next week:

LO-forbund politianmelder Norwegians bruk av asiatiske besetninger - nyheter - Dagbladet.no

copy and paste to Google Translate

Bondi, for whatever reason you seem to have a generously-proportioned bug up your ass about the employment practises of Norwegian. I would take a guess that, despite your wishful thinking and tiresome contributions, Norwegian will continue to expand and prosper. In the course of that process, some pilots will, regrettably, feel that they have been exploited and choose to leave. However, rather more will find it more than tolerable to provide their services for the agreed remuneration - I know that must irk you but that's just how it is.

Please, no more lectures, no more links to tabloid articles and most of all no more patronising your colleagues. We're all big boys and girls.

AH - I thought that the point of Terms and Endearment was to highlight and discuss the conditions on offer in the market place from current and potential employers. Yes, DB does have a bee in his bonnet about Norwegian but I am yet to see anyone show he is wrong.

Adolf,

Not sure who you are or what you are, however, it is apparent who you think you are. Similar to your namesake, a painter/politician with aspirations of grandeur, your pathetic attempt to intimidate has not, and will never work - quite the opposite. Despite your delusion of representing the purported contented masses, most pilots are blissfully unaware of the adverse realities of Norwegian's regime, receiving only the rose-tinted perspective from self-serving employment agencies.

This thread requests information on Norwegian's 787 recruitment and working conditions. I have provided some information and will continue to do so. The fact that the Norway media regularly reports on Norwegian's circumvention of laws, regulations and abhorrent treatment of staff, should be of serious concern to any prospective applicant. Ultimately, the pilots decide for themselves based on the information available - despite your spectacularly failed efforts to obstruct its dissemination.

Here's another news headline of Norwegian's shameful and intolerable treatment of crew for you to consider:

"Dream job in Norwegian was a nightmare" - "Feel exposed to witch-hunt from Kjos"

Link: Føler seg utsatt for heksejakt fra Kjos etter Norwegian-krangel - nyheter - Dagbladet.no

associated links in the article.

Oops, I appear to have touched a nerve. Sorry, Bondi, I take it all back. Please continue your self.appointed campaign to educate us on a daily basis and protect us from ourselves. All highly entertaining and much appreciated. I would never have worked out that Norwegian has adopted the agency 'employment' model without the benefit of your insight.

Please don't stop posting.

I see Rishworth have removed the advert for cruise captains. Can someone in the know tell me if they are no longer planning to take cruise captains in the future or is this a temporary thing.

Has anyone been recruited yet for the NLH job @ Gatwick and actually got a confirmed start date?
You are Brave if you have given in your EK / THY / SQ / QR / KE / CX notice , based on what we read about NLH

Firm start dates have been given. As far as being brave, a few years in the sandpit, dealing with ever changing rules, constant influx of DEC, non-compliance with contractual terms when and where it serves companies agenda and a living environment where your family members are seen by the locals as slaves and subhumans, make your choice.

RCA
 

HI aviators,

I Passed the assesment for an RCA. Rishworth offered courses end of the year. Now I got a mail, that NAS Cpt take the Slots end of the year and possible Start Dates for me Are sometime in spring 2016.

Good luck to all of you

Zapper

Firm start dates have been given. As far as being brave, a few years in the sandpit, dealing with ever changing rules, constant influx of DEC, non-compliance with contractual terms when and where it serves companies agenda and a living environment where your family members are seen by the locals as slaves and subhumans, make your choice.

change "sandpit to sussex" and thats pretty much spot on for Norwegian Gatwick