Hard to believe pilots still hand over 40k euro for this gig. The "P2L (pay to leave)" description is appropriate. Any airline participating in such a scheme is making a clear statement - and that statement is:- We have a history of poor labor relations, and have no confidence in our ability to retain you for a 3-year term without subjecting you to a severe financial penalty - (did someone say added stress and anxiety). However....

"a new contract with improved conditions by the end of June"

Crew are presently employed via a double circumvention of employment laws through an agency's broom cupboard affiliate. Any new arrangement may simply remove the broom cupboard element. The circumvention of employment laws will remain, as evidenced by the selective termination of four cabin crew by Norwegian, via instructions to their employer, OSM. Link:-

Flyvertinne slår tilbake mot Norwegian - avviser påstander om illojalitet - nyheter - Dagbladet.no

Use Google Translate and read all the associated links in the article. Once again, it is interesting to note that the biggest critic of Norwegian's treatment of staff, is the Norway media.

Hopefully, any new contract will create a positive, cooperative and energetic work environment, making the overall flying experience extremely pleasant for both customers and crew.

Direct Bondi; I take it you didn't apply? Your posts are a little on the negative side. I'm curious where you get the energy and time from, writing on this thread so much and clearly doesn't want to join? ;)

Well, I am happy in the company. Far from all pilots are happy, but I would say many are. I believe the conditions will improve. If they don't, I was wrong.

Regarding results from the online tests, my friend was told when asked, that there will be no feedback unless you failed. Moreover, the recruitment process will last for months including several months' of screening. Until all is finished he wouldn't get any feedback.

Not a personal attack, but I gather both Fade to Grey and Boeing operator were unemployed immidiatly prior to signing for NLH, @ BKK base.
They were desperate and perhaps are now suffering from the Stockholm syndrome ?

I can understand this, but its all boils down to making your own luck and ensuring you dont join a company that lays you off or goes bust after a few years. Something that maybe deja vu for the two above, if the euro crisis rumbles on for a couple of more years.

I still cannot believe that this company does not pay any medical insurance , loss of licence, bonus , 13 th month ,
Adequate sick leave , dental cover, hotel allowances?

Can anyone not having hard times seriously consider joining?
Unless you got lucky at the lotto. lol

Not often do I react to comments made on here but every now and then something gets stated that is just annoying.

Why write…………...

"but its all boils down to making your own luck and ensuring you dont join a company that lays you off or goes bust after a few years."

Bloody hell. Maybe today EJ, RYR, BA look nice and safe and are recruiting. But will they always be recruiting and when they are not where do you go ? I know your comment is aimed at NLH of which I know sod all except what is on this thread but pilot recruitment has not always been the happy playing field it is just at the moment. Look behind you highfive - there may be an XL pilot nearby.

Yeah, I was that desperate I was down to my last 30k....
Think about it.
What I was being offered was contracts in the wrong places, or God forbid the sand.

I was desperate not to go there.

Give it another two weeks and the terms and conditions have changed. Flight Ops has promised a new contract with improved conditions by the end of June.
Boring , err i mean Boeing , hows your wishful thinking coming along? I think with the deluge of experienced guys queing up, i do hope they renew your contract with an increase to compensate for 3 years of inflation and some? :D

How do you know that there is a deluge of experienced guys applying?

Does Rishworth keep you informed?

PM's . Info frm Middle east / Far east forum . Simple
And mates from KE / THY
Go figure . :D:D

Interview in July. Im easa 787 TRI.
Many rated Skippers from Qatar and even LOT

B777 guys will be interviewed much later, unless you have a Tre tri badge.

If you on the buss, pack yer bags and naff off . No a hope in hell you will get an interview lol .

Very odd post to say the least! anyway, Rishworth no nothing of moving to OSM, maybe LNIDA has some secret knowledge on this? in any event, i,m current 777 and they offered interview towards end of month, I can't make that and when they discovered I have 3 months notice they seemed less interested. Bond issue was not covered as it is common type, but they mentioned a " training bond" for conversion course? no idea what that means. Final decision is to stay where I am as the T+Cs not quite right at the moment taking into account LOL and Medical, Staff travel etc etc. Good wishes to the rest

A wise decision, Avenger.

Other than the many contractual shortcomings, the following is the reality

Monthly income €10000
equates to Yearly £87000
take home per month, after NI / std rate tax = £5300

My kids education is currently just under half that. And paid for.
Although obviously a basic state school would have to suffice if working for NLH, Plus a modest terrace house somewhere outta town.

My guess , many of the applicants are old n single, divorcees or young and dumb wannabes!

Hi Five and Avenger
 

You make a lot of sense. Congrats!
The T&Cs are just ridiculously outrageous.
It disonour our profession and the ones that gladly take it.

High five,
Your figures are wrong.
Your impression of who works here is wrong.
Your impression of my house is wrong.

You are wrong.

I guess you're one of the luckier ones.

http://www.pprune.org/terms-endearme...ng-winter.html

Hi Fade to Grey.
You seem to be 'in the know'. Any chance you could post the correct figures as im struggling to find a post with the actual £ take home pay for the LGW based guys.

Many thanks,
85

Given the apparent accuracy of the new thread confirmed by insiders why the hell would it actually matter what the correct figures are. Just cannot imagine why anyone gives them a second thought.

Jaxofmarlow

Luckily for you then you dont have to think on behalf of everyone else and wonder why they might be interested in a particular job. Clearly you are a skygod earning 20K£ a month for 500 hrs/yr. Lucky you but we are not all lucky enough to be in your privileged position :yuk:

Now if you could let the man provide us with the information we are looking for then that would be much appreciated.

Regards,

Fair enough.
Done my time in sandpits and certainly no skygod, what ever that is. Love your figures - would be happy with that.
If you are still prepared to consider this company after what they did last year and are apparently repeating this then OK. With the worst conditions in the UK I think it is a fair question to ask. And as long as they continue to have a queue at their door I guess they will only go one way.
Didn't think I was stopping anyone from answering your question.
You should check out the other current Norwegian thread. Plenty of others for you to admonish there.

Jax, and therein lies the heart of this issue, one mans rubbish is another's etc etc.
So long as people find this treatment acceptable, then there will be no shortage of takers.
Personally I just don't see it being a viable rate of pay for a new joiner with significant debt, I see it as a way for ex sandpit/Asia/and the occasional legacy driver to come home, or top off the pension.

You are probably right Monarch Man. It is very sad. It is unbelievable to me that a company has the balls to continue to advertise for 787 drivers at the same time as laying off dozens of the same already recruited. It has been "explained" that this is because they do not actually want them for this winter and all will be wonderful for all next summer. Oh Yeah.