UK AOC
 

Eventually all 787 & 737's will be G reg opening up many new doors.....

Norwegian’s UK AOC:

Norwegian has made NO announcement of any date to employ pilots at LGW in 2016 or beyond.

Norwegian continues to source pilots on a temporary basis from various agency employers and may ‘return’ those pilots to the agency at any time, without reason, and without recourse. Any notice period is with the employer agency, not Norwegian. Additionally, contracts may contain a clause indemnifying the agency from any obligation, including a notice period, due to action by its client airline. This arrangement or scheme permits Norwegian to circumvent employment laws, labor rights and labor principles.

With the alleged expansion, now is the time for the Norwegian Pilot Group to be a force rather than a farce.

Unfortunately, in respect of pilot unity, it appears Norwegian’s long-haul pilots wish to separate from their short-haul colleagues. Compare the declarations from the respective websites:

https://nlhpa.org/public/news/pilot-association-founded-norwegian-long-haul-pilots

http://www.norwegianpilotgroup.com/

Apparently, the pilots are already divided, making any future conquering that much easier for Kjos.

I received an invite to do the online assessments again. Anyone else?

I understand that the deal is 3 years contract?
Then what ? Is Bondi correct in saying they return you to the agency ? Makes no sense. Or do you sign another 3 year deal?

I was asked to re submit the online tests. But once i told them i had already done them they , eventually, acknowledged that I didn't have to do again .

I applied 6 months ago lol . Jokers.

So far no one person has been offered a LGW contract. Period.

Highfive; I don't really understand. You write that no one got a LGW contract so far? About 150 Norwegian B787 pilots are on a LGW contract. The rest of them in BKK.

After three years you'll get offered a permanent contract with OSM Aviation.

It has been discussed here before if you must do the online tests twice. I suggest you read the invitation more careful where it should clearly say that if you have done the tests within a year you don't have to do them again. Quite simple.

The Norwegian guys employed are already in Norwegian. Im talking about new joining that are not currently employed by Norwegian wether Sh or LH.

Wonder what the reason is they dont send out the thanks but no thanks letter? Guess many are looking but not so serious as to leave EK when push comes to shove.

The layover hotels are only 3 Star. The crews are all asian gals. Good luck with those Asian night stops ;)

What the hell are you talking about ?
The crews are not all ' Asian gals '. We have crew bases in America and gatwick as well.

As for night stops in Asia ( that's just bkk ) , the bkk crew go home strangely enough.....

Time to command
 

Hi guys,
How long does it take to get in line for the CPT upgrade starting as FO with long haul experience in the past?

Thank you

Past experience, however relevant, seems largely irrelevant wrt speed of upgrade. If you join as an FO, you can bank on at least three years stuck as FO, then cruise capt for x more years. Yes, big expansion, but the limited training resources will be dedicated to feeding in direct entry Capts and PICCs. Terrible "bond" arrangement too. Best way in is to grab a handful of widebody command somewhere (eg A300 or 767) then join as a full Captain.

According latest info from ppjn, 787 typerating is now payed by norwegian but you are bonded two years..
Isn’t that diffrent from previous (ie bank guarantee produced by applicant and bond payed back after three years?)

No - I believe its worse than that (unless its changed very recently) - They expect you to take out a loan in your own account, for 30k(?) which you pay to them up front, and they pay back to you 10k every year for 3 years. So the interest is your loss.

I looked into this recently as a DECC and after 5mins on the phone my thoughts were F*** that!!!

The bond required was a pain in the hole going to the bank for. The pay less than I am on now. And the base not 100% as probably be in Norway a lot of the time. Plus cost of housing down there was another sod that.

Ill be giving it a big miss. Thanks but no thanks. Its an offer good enough to miss

Oh i guess let's say, 6 years at least to stay in the queue to have the upgrade.
I am considering Norwegian just to come back in Europe after period in Asia who maked me mad. at the same time I have maked my family.

I have also Ryanair to consider but I already know that in few years, even after getting cpt position, will be thirsty of long haul adventures.

The money is a bit less so I prefer the plastic dream.
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How long does the Type Rating course last, converting from the B757/767?

I thought they'd stopped recruiting cruise Captains but from the emails I've been receiving they've started again? I'd this because of the "big expansion"?

So what if..
 

So what if you join as a Relief Captain do you log the time as PIC or same as F/O PICUS..?:ooh:

Thats the question. Being stuck on the right seat for years while DEC etc are passing you all the time is probably the correct answer. Once they get you in i think nobody gives a smallest thought about your career progression after that. I am talking in general now. Too risky for the bananas they are offering.

Your not talking in general, your talking bollocks northern driver.

There has been massive upgrading of all ranks .period

With the large amount of aircraft coming everyone who is eligible will get their chance.

I don't understand the constant ' when will I get promoted ' lines. If you joined BA or virgin you'd have to wait decades. If you join and it's less than that you should be pleased.

I seriously hope our selection process is still working

fade "talking bollocks".......

Unlike BA or Virgin you do not "join' Norwegian, you join an employer agency. Your services are rented to Norwegian similar to contracted cleaning staff.

Although you may indeed wait years for upgrade at BA or Virgin, you will gain seniority, pension, benefits and, most importantly, have all the employment law, labor rights and labor principles of a direct employment relationship. Notwithstanding, union representation and collective agreement with your airline employer.

On upgrading: "everyone who is eligible will get their chance"

Does your agency employment contract provide for any seniority system with the lessee airline, Norwegian? - Answer: No it does not.

"I seriously hope our selection process is still working"

Is that the selection process which assesses if the applicant has enough funds to pay for their training?

Yes, bondi, we get it ( series of 1000).

We work for an agency, that's unlikely to change.

There is a seniority list in Norwegian, we are on it.

You'd be surprised the % that do not pass the selection .

I'm still trying to work out what your interest is, other than someone with too much time on their hands......please give it a rest. We' be heard you argue the same point dozens of times.