They are desperate I feel,
With the lowering of the weight requirements to dash 8,,,,

I was offered an interview last year, but the commuting option is rubbish as is the pay....thus why they can't get captains

Indeed, currently the worst contract around, with 6000 euro for Captains:ugh::rolleyes: and only 7 days OFF each month:hmm:.

Salary needs to go up by at least 2000 euro and 10 days OFF to get even remotely interesting for any experienced B737 Captain.

...that's 6000Euro AFTER tax and a guaranteed 7 day block off each month, not 7 days total.

Not that bad really.

No that is a target of 7 days, the few months that you get more than 7 days off is for the annual/quarter off-days that are mandatory. This is for the regular contract. Schooling for kids is at least €1300 a month per kid and you won't get any ID tickets with Turkish until after a year of employment.

For the commuting usually you get a very late flight the day before your block and a morning flight directly after. You are expected to deal with your vacinations, medicals, bureaucracy etc during your block off. Outside of the block off expect 6/1 rostering with minimum rest. Sick days are counted as off days.

The pay is pretty low considering the amount of work you do and the rostering is terrible. Other than that there are much worse places to be. Nice people, expanding company with a good economy giving somewhat of a security for the coming decade until the number of locals ready for upgrade catches up.

Be prepared for very hard work and a very limited social life :E

Thats tax in Turkey I guess .... Also getting email after email for 737 command, but yes !!!! Salary is rubbish

Does anyone have any contact details for sun express Germany? Please PM me thanks

Some nonsense here guys… the commuting contract from Ankara guarantees block off 7 days off plus the mandatory days as required by SHT ops, for this contract the basic salary is lower ( 6000) but with overtime payments on factored hours is still good for a commute contract around 8000 net. For the full time contracts the minimum days off are 7 a month, paired as 2/1 2/ 1,1 . The full time contract starts at 6300 plus overtime, around 9000 Euro net. Obviously as winter approaches the overtime will drop a lot.Once you fly past 80 hrs the factor kicks in..This summer I am told the average Full time Captain was about 9300 net and the average full time FO 5800 net. The seem to be able to recruit at the moment with about 60 crews in training and some 20 FOs in the upgrade process. The only really commutable option is Ankara, although we regularly see the guys on THY flights to Europe as standby PAS.. but THY rules state they have to have been in the company for a whole year to get THY tickets. LTH tickets are available from the start I believe. I am not aware of another contract paying the "Net amount" as high as the THY and SXS contracts, including medical cover and loss of licence plus crew transport., not to mention the group hotel discounts?

Okey maybe the pay is not as high it should be for a EXPERIENCED 737 Captain, But for most of the guys in Sunexpress its a great deal, Nearly all captains from Ankara base and now from SAW base come here non-type rated with hours from Dash 8 (YES DASH 8), Fokker 100 with only ILS gliding experience from German bankrupted companies struggling to find a job in Europe. Generally 97.9% are lovely people to fly with but when they start moaning about the poor system quality of the 737, FREE transportation and the 'LOW PAY' then it starts to wind me up! Its a great opportunity for them to build s**t loads of hours in a very short time in a sunny country with a very good pay and working conditions working for a considerably nice company.

I really enjoy going for layovers in Ankara (but not the open duties) but people really need to appreciate what they have been given on a plate! :ok:

Who is paying the TR for non-rated guys ? if it is the company, the new Capts should truly STFU, put 1000hr in the logbook, & spend their time refining & distributing their C.V. rather than complaining. If the candidates are paying ? well, you are bending over, so expect them to shove it up you.

"Time off allowing commuting" has traditionally been a sore point in Turkish companies (even THY ) I had 20 on 10 off in 2009 with Saga, and that (for a Turkish company ) was fairly exceptional.

For comparison to your 8000€ net, Norwegian pays 8884 + 17€/block hr for Capts "Gross/Brut" so your package is not bad financially.

They just sign a bonding of €15K which reduces over 2/3 years!!!!

Can someone tell me how should I apply for FO position in this company?

I found a webpage but all in Turkish and with many troubles, was almost impossible load and progress with that website.

Regards

I see a potential for some significant savings there :E.

Would it be possible to rent a studio in Ankara at non-extortionate price? I find 1000€/m with all expenses covered nearly reasonable but 1100 sq ft is methinks just an overkill for a single guy.

SunExpress Online Application
 

Hi guys,
may I ask you a question about SunExpress Application?
I've tried to apply online, but is ALL in turkish... so after the loooong translation, it don't give me the possibility to apply because there are fiels required that I have to fill in and is mandatory.... but... if I haven't attended the university I can't fill this field...
So have U any idea how can I do???
there is a Email of human resources where I can send my CV???

Base SAW SXS
 

Are here some SXS Pilots with Base SAW and they can tell me where is a good place in Istanbul for a apartement?

Hi guys,
i would like to ask to Phenom100 and to B737air have you received any answer from sxs after you have sent them the documents required? I was contacted by them the same days as you but didn't recived any answer ....

Where can you apply for the NTR FO Position at SunExpress? Is it just possible through their website which is in turkish?

through their website in Engl. .....

Theres a lot of disinformation coming from guys already in SXS..some are married to Turks and paint a much rosier picture of this "airline" than is the truth.Some are German and have an affinity with Turks that almost no other EU people share.First off,that commuting contract wasnt even on offer to begin with.Originally they wanted you based in Syrian border with no days off except 6/1.Salary was 6600 euros and no commute.It was changed to 6k and 7 days off after they could only get desperate inexperienced guys.The reason for the abundance of non-type rated guys isnt because the Turks are a wonderfully generous people and are offering free upgrades..no no no,its because no experienced type-rated guy would put up with their nonsense(pay,rude gruff Turkish airforce trainers,fiddly SOP that are counter-intuitive).
Watch the contract also..if you dont want to get bullied by autocratic line-trainers and leave after 60 days,theyll try and sue you for remaining contract time.Theyre a nasty bunch.Ankara is a dump and the other bases on offer are like Saudi Arabia.Best bases are reserved for locals.Far be it from me to discourage pilots earning a living but I just want people to know the truth.Tread carefully.Its one of the worst Ive come across and Ive been flying 30 years.

.....there's always one.

The only other base on offer is SAW! :mad: me, I didn't know that Jeddah has as many tattoo studios, massage parlours and watering holes where rakı and Efes flow freely :}