Have a look at caulfield previous posts and everybody and everything is pathetic, stupid, etc apart from mr great pilot Caulfield himself... :ugh:

What's the latest on the payment for type rating? Bonded or self funded?

Three months ago it was 15K€ deposit (or bank guarantee) for non TR DEC, half returned after first year, half after second. EDIT: sorry, thanks to Search user's posts I can see you are asking about F/O position, I have no idea how it works for F/Os. Give the good folk at SXS a call, they will give you the truest and the latest update.

Bargain of the decade, if one can pass the screening.

Don't wail on caul field .
I fly with an experienced 737 capt who was there. He paints a picture of a steaming pile of....
I was offered an interview but the Tcs were so bad I declined .

It'll only appeal to dash8 drivers trying to get a leg up

T&C
 

Watch out for the contract!
As a Captain you are bonded for 15K (Typerating Costs) plus if you want to leave earlier than your 2 or 3 years contract you have to pay the months back you are not working for them (e.g. you're flying 1 year and want to jump to another airline, you have to pay back 7.500 E for Typerating plus about 80K for your 1 year absence :ugh:

Any guys called for F/O position recently?

2500 TT, 2000 heavy turboprop, rated on 737….heard nothing back yet.

The only foreign firstofficers that they recruit are from a contracted ab-initioschool in Holland

What is the purpose of flooding all pilot jobs website with their offers if they only hire guys from a specific school?

Sxs hires her ab initio pilots from Stella in The Netherlands. The students pay 35000 euros for a 1 year contract. And they call that a job....
30000 goes to SXS for the TR costs and 5000 goes to Stella as a ''training fee''.

50 students total; you do the math.

You gotta be kidding

Just an update about the type rating for First Officer, its 30,000 euros self funded with a 3 year contract.

They pay their TR just like at RYR and Easy etc. You will get a one year contract making appr 3000 a month in the first year. All the people who came in on a one year contract in the last 3 years had their contracts extended after the first year and the biggest group that has left are the ones that have moved on to Turkish airlines... (as Sunexpress is a Joint Venture between LuftHansa and Turkish Airlines)

If you want to complain about P2F you have to across the street to the likes of Pegasus who hire and fire after one year. Sunexpress is actually one of the few decent outfits in the region full of the likes of Atlas Air, Onur Air, etc... Granted they are not BA, Air France or KLM but for a Turkish outfit ok. I spend two nice summers flying on a contract for them and as long as you appreciate they are Turkish (CRM!) and are a LCC you are fine. :ok:

Maybe the Mods should ban anymore boring repetitive discussions on PTF! The SXS deal is NOT PTF… the fee covers the type rating, line training, OCC course, recurrent training, 2 days sim every 6 months OPC/LPC and all the admin costs of work permits, DGCA approvals etc etc. During the year they earn good salaries ( average net with O/T 4500 Euros) and after 1 year will have 900 hrs plus on type and nearly all get contracts extended.. so what's the beef.. Year 2 they are back in positive cash flow, that's a whole lot better than sitting around wishing and waiting for the " good old days" to come back. IF you can pass the assessment , its a great start to an aviation career. Of course, with nearly 100 guys in training, places are now limited..

sun express pilot recruitment
 

hello dude
i am geting the some problem. i am B737 FO and i wanna to apply Sun Express, but i have the same problem, i can not do the application because they require a University degree in Turkey.

SO , can you pls help me !!

How did you deal with it ?

thank you for your attention

Pupo, here's the question, current SXS recruitment is either via Stella as ventilated above or if you are ex-military Turkish you don't pay all the costs up front but have a lower wage as the costs are cut from the salary… is this still PTF? If it's about cash flow and you are already in debt as you were " sold the dream" by some initial training outfit preaching the " great pilot shortage myth" you will probably appreciate the extra salary, on the other hand if you are a 50 year old ex major with little debt the reduced salary won't matter too much. It's not a perfect world for sure but at least some guys are getting a break. The argument that this practice stops the " talented" getting in the airlines is nonsense, we see many many applications from integrated school guys that have been waiting two or three years, have increased their debt to "keep current" and are now on the back foot. Yes, in an ideal world the airlines should carry the cost, alas they have learnt they don't have to and are unlikely to change. Why is no one claiming the Tui Fly type rating and flying at 110000 e is " pay to fly" ? maybe the Belgium and Dutch think differently, or just take a different view towards getting a job..of course, if you have the luxury of no overheads, no kids to support and no mortgage and are living off the parents then I guess it's easy to pontificate. I'm waiting for the curd to hit the fan when NAS get the A320 type rating scheme going!

pay
 

I have heard that those commuting contracted captains have earnt around 8 to 9k per month last year with over flights.

application
 

They have a simple mail adress for the application : [email protected] :D

T&C
Watch out for the contract!
As a Captain you are bonded for 15K (Typerating Costs) plus if you want to leave earlier than your 2 or 3 years contract you have to pay the months back you are not working for them (e.g. you're flying 1 year and want to jump to another airline, you have to pay back 7.500 E for Typerating plus about 80K for your 1 year absence

IT IS A BILETERAL CONDOTOIN, IF THEY KICK YOU OUT, THEY SHOULD YOU PAY IT.:=

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The SXS deal is NOT PTF… the fee covers the type rating, line training, OCC course, recurrent training, 2 days sim every 6 months OPC/LPC and all the admin costs of work permits, DGCA approvals etc etc.
Youre surely being ironic!? That is PTF and no mistake. These are company costs, not employee costs in any sane world.


Sick, you are really aout of today's world. Any company pays anymore these costs:ugh:

It's 6/1 roster pretty much with one week off in the middle of nowhere with a night return the day before the block-off followed by an 0800lt checkin. Only Ankara base.