NorthEast (L1011) MIA shysters-update
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No good just bleating on here, adinfinitum!
Can I make a suggestion? Get yourselves together, exchange email addresses, appoint a leader, decide how much you need, to pursue these people and then go for it.
Together you probably make a formidable force, alone you stand to get nothing.
Get yourselves organised. The Dan Air pilots did just that and brought BA to the negotiating table.
Otherwise, your words will be lost in the internet etherspace and will be yesterdays news.
JTL
Can I make a suggestion? Get yourselves together, exchange email addresses, appoint a leader, decide how much you need, to pursue these people and then go for it.
Together you probably make a formidable force, alone you stand to get nothing.
Get yourselves organised. The Dan Air pilots did just that and brought BA to the negotiating table.
Otherwise, your words will be lost in the internet etherspace and will be yesterdays news.
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There are thousands of American citizen pilots who have been screwed out of pay, screwed out of entitlements and screwed out of retirement funds when Braniff, Eastern and Pan Am apruptly went down the tubes!
Do any of you ex Northeasterners still imagine that somehow the U.S. courts will magically make this company or its elusive owners cough up the cash that you are owed?
Keep on dreaming.
Do any of you ex Northeasterners still imagine that somehow the U.S. courts will magically make this company or its elusive owners cough up the cash that you are owed?
Keep on dreaming.
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Correct me if I'm wrong; as I read it here, the airline in question is still operating and in business. That's a very different situation from one that has already gone out of business, such as the ones you quote!
Anyone who thought they could pursue a bankrupt company for money through the courts, couldn't really expect to pass his next airline medical on grounds of sanity, could he??? Forgive me, if I've missed something here.
If an airline is still up and running and you reckon you have the legal right to pursue them, then go for it....that might just force them into liquidation, but that's the risk you have to assess.
My point is, stop whinging and do something about the situation. If you can't, accept your losses, lick your wounds and live to fight another day. Loose the chips off the shoulders and present yourselves as level headed types to your next prospective employer!
You might not like the advice, but I reckon that it is financially constructive advice; if you don't fly, you get no dimes!
Correct me if I'm wrong; as I read it here, the airline in question is still operating and in business. That's a very different situation from one that has already gone out of business, such as the ones you quote!
Anyone who thought they could pursue a bankrupt company for money through the courts, couldn't really expect to pass his next airline medical on grounds of sanity, could he??? Forgive me, if I've missed something here.
If an airline is still up and running and you reckon you have the legal right to pursue them, then go for it....that might just force them into liquidation, but that's the risk you have to assess.
My point is, stop whinging and do something about the situation. If you can't, accept your losses, lick your wounds and live to fight another day. Loose the chips off the shoulders and present yourselves as level headed types to your next prospective employer!
You might not like the advice, but I reckon that it is financially constructive advice; if you don't fly, you get no dimes!
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LUANDA DC-8 3D-ETM
I was the Flight Engineer on the DC-8, # 3D-ETM, in Luanda. After 3 weeks of telephone calls to Eric, David and Rashied, listening to lies, broken promises etc. I never received one penny of compensation for 6 weeks of work with theses people and delivering this DC-8 to Africa. In jeopardy of losing my home in the states I finally had to pull the plug and come home at my own expense, $2000.00 USD, which believe me I could not afford. The Captain and Co-Pilot remained hoping to get paid; as of right now, 6 June 2003, I have no idea how they have faired in that endeavor.
I would hope that anyone reading this does not ever answer an ad from NORTHEAST AIRLINE!!! They will promise you the world, act like the most sincere people in the world, tell you of past troubles and tell you all the problems are past and they are all fixed now. They will sweet-talk you like you have never heard, DO NOT BELIEVE ONE WORD. They are evil and prey on the misfortune of out of work airline workers. They have no conception of truth, fair play, honor, decency and play by a rule book that is make up moment by moment. If you do go against this advice and accept work from NORTHEAST make sure you have the money promised in your hand BEFORE you ever leave home, if you don’t, you have fallen into their web and you too will be adding your sad tale of woe on this forum!!!!
I would hope that anyone reading this does not ever answer an ad from NORTHEAST AIRLINE!!! They will promise you the world, act like the most sincere people in the world, tell you of past troubles and tell you all the problems are past and they are all fixed now. They will sweet-talk you like you have never heard, DO NOT BELIEVE ONE WORD. They are evil and prey on the misfortune of out of work airline workers. They have no conception of truth, fair play, honor, decency and play by a rule book that is make up moment by moment. If you do go against this advice and accept work from NORTHEAST make sure you have the money promised in your hand BEFORE you ever leave home, if you don’t, you have fallen into their web and you too will be adding your sad tale of woe on this forum!!!!
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Gluball are you thinking that all crew members are to take a loss as in the bankrupt companys.
These jerks are trying to rip off more crewmembers, and are saying they are a legal and abiding company.
They need to be stopped.
If someone out of work an has no knowledge of Pprune needs to pay the bills then they are subject to working for nothing.
We all know it cost money to make money.
Do you realize how much out of pocket expense crew members pay in hopes of getting enough back to pay the bills.
My little stay in Jeddah cost me quite a bit.
Lucky for me my airline called me back.
I even gave money to one Captain that was down to his last Riyal.
This guy cannot even pay for his house.
Are you even thinking correctly here?
Or are you one of those retired guys that made all your money before things went bad, if they ever were good!
These jerks are trying to rip off more crewmembers, and are saying they are a legal and abiding company.
They need to be stopped.
If someone out of work an has no knowledge of Pprune needs to pay the bills then they are subject to working for nothing.
We all know it cost money to make money.
Do you realize how much out of pocket expense crew members pay in hopes of getting enough back to pay the bills.
My little stay in Jeddah cost me quite a bit.
Lucky for me my airline called me back.
I even gave money to one Captain that was down to his last Riyal.
This guy cannot even pay for his house.
Are you even thinking correctly here?
Or are you one of those retired guys that made all your money before things went bad, if they ever were good!
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Northeast looking at DC10's
Northeast are now looking at DC10's. A confindential ad has appeared on Climbto350 for DC10's crews. The wording of the ad is very similar to Northeast's original ad for L1011 crew.
If you apply to the DC10 ad MAKE SURE YOU ASK IF ANY OF THE NORTHEAST SHYSTER OWNER/MANAGERS ARE INVOLVED.
Rumour has it that Northeast have vacated their offices at, 6405 NW 36th Street, Suite 109 in Miami. This office is near Cisco's next to MIA, perhaps someone could confirm this.
We can all thank Northeast for one thing; moving junk aircraft out of the USA..................
If you apply to the DC10 ad MAKE SURE YOU ASK IF ANY OF THE NORTHEAST SHYSTER OWNER/MANAGERS ARE INVOLVED.
Rumour has it that Northeast have vacated their offices at, 6405 NW 36th Street, Suite 109 in Miami. This office is near Cisco's next to MIA, perhaps someone could confirm this.
We can all thank Northeast for one thing; moving junk aircraft out of the USA..................
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MIA Offices
Got back from MIA yesterday.Has some time after my PC and tried to find the "Shyster" Orifice. No luck Office is empty. They have a new address in Ft. Lauderdale.
"The Flightstar Group, Inc.
John Poindexter, President/CEO
1100 Lee Wagener Blvd, Suite 204
(NEW ADDRESS EFFECTIVE 6/2003)
33315 - Fort Lauderdale
Florida
USA"
Cheers
JJ
"The Flightstar Group, Inc.
John Poindexter, President/CEO
1100 Lee Wagener Blvd, Suite 204
(NEW ADDRESS EFFECTIVE 6/2003)
33315 - Fort Lauderdale
Florida
USA"
Cheers
JJ
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Here's their website...and another listing...
http://www.flightstargroup.com/
http://www.aviatorsale.com/seller/431/Profile.asp
http://www.flightstargroup.com/
http://www.aviatorsale.com/seller/431/Profile.asp
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Thanks JJflyer......
Thank you very much for the update on the orifice address JJflyer.
With cooperation from Ppruners like you, Northeast will be hounded out of business, never to leave crew stranded and unpaid again.
Northeast are on a Watch List with the GCC (Gulf Cooperative Coucil) States and they will be in for a surprise the next time they show up in Sharjah with one of their Shystars or any aircraft registered to NEA.
There is a very unhappy landlord in Sharjah looking for a "fat bloke" who owes him rent...........
With cooperation from Ppruners like you, Northeast will be hounded out of business, never to leave crew stranded and unpaid again.
Northeast are on a Watch List with the GCC (Gulf Cooperative Coucil) States and they will be in for a surprise the next time they show up in Sharjah with one of their Shystars or any aircraft registered to NEA.
There is a very unhappy landlord in Sharjah looking for a "fat bloke" who owes him rent...........
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Northeast Shysters
Very interesting, This "fat bloke" is well known in Miami and other places as a rip off artist. He was in jail in the UAE for operating a charter for the UN without carrying the proper insurance among other things. I know where he is, and time is running out for him and his "business associates"
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*** NorthEast Office is still there ***
For those of you interested. Northeast is still in the very same office. If you want to see them you may have to pitch a tent outside their door. They do not spend much time there, but they are still there.
The address posted is for an independent aircraft broker who had past involvement with NorthEast. He has moved out due to bad $$$ relations with them as well.
The NorthEast L-1011 still remains in OUA
The address posted is for an independent aircraft broker who had past involvement with NorthEast. He has moved out due to bad $$$ relations with them as well.
The NorthEast L-1011 still remains in OUA
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I went to an Airliner Show for enthusiasts this weekend at LAX, and there were photos of that NEA 1011 in yellow/white for sale. 8x10s, 5x7s and others. I guess that is the one impounded.
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NorthEast (L1011) MIA shysters-update
I am one of the guys back from Angola - Eric F. Paillet is a "fan" of this site, and he will read with pleasure our progress here... Shall I say, he really enjoys reading all of you...
xxx
I have known CEO Glenn since over 2 years ago, initially it was to be a 747 captain for an ACMI (Hajj) in Nigeria for Chief Kabo's brother Garba "Freedom Air" - Glenn got me a fresh PC, paid my hotel, and round trip back home, and gave me my $500 per diem for showing up... But he did not get the deal...
xxx
We had stayed in touch... Then nearly a year ago, Glenn again mentions another 747 ACMI (Hajj) contract, this time in SHJ, and I answered yes, call me when you need me. I got unemployed by September, and planned to relocate from Los Angeles to Miami. I sent my wife first, to look for a job for her, and rent a studio. Got all our belongings in a storage in L.A. and late November took my car and drove to settle in Ft Lauderdale.
xxx
The 747 did not materialize, I am not 1011 qualified, but I was a DC8 captain some 13 years ago, this qualifies me at least as per FAR 61.55 as DC8 F/O, and they were "about" to operate a DC8 to Angola, end of December. I accepted that assignment, besides I can handle Portuguese quite well (my wife is Brazilian) which is a plus besides my perfect French and Spanish.
xxx
Looks like they were busy in the office, putting the 1011 deal together, and needed money, I was offered "minimum wages" for survival until we went to Angola, since I have quite a few years in operations management and chief pilot, I was of assistance in the office, and kept my ears and eyes wide open... Paillet lives a few miles up the 95 (North Broward) so I went to the office 2 or 3 times a week with him, 1 hour drive to go, 1 hour back, had the time to learn a lot about Paillet's acrobatics in airline financial management. The things were definitely not moving for the DC8, and busy trying to launch that 1011 in GSO, select the crews etc.
xxx
Weeks, months went by, January, February, I constantly had to beg for a check to survive with my wife in a miserable studio, but Paillet told me I was in fat city with a wife making $800/mo as a motel room service maid and cleaner... During that period of time, I heard (Paillet's speaker phone) and the desperate calls from Rashid Mustafa in Angola crying for delivery of "his" DC8. Nothing was done to that DC8 (parked in Opa Locka), the money that Rashid sent Paillet got shuffled into the 1011 operation rather than preparing the DC8 (Paillet, you were darned good at lying to Rashid)... Then... the 1011 got seized in OUA... oh boy...
xxx
Felt bad for the guys there, but Paillet insisted all was fine, that crews would be paid, and get travel home, etc. Then suddenly, it was paillet calling Rashid for more money to get the DC8 ready. They rushed through April and half of month of May to get this old DC8 ready, maintenance work and coordination was a zoo, was like the Keystone Cops... nothing progressed much each day. And getting a F/E was not easy, shall we say...
xxx
Paillet said first that he would jump seat with us to Angola, but a change of tune, Rashid went to OUA to "fund" the release of the 1011 (Rashid is in the diamond trade, supposedly). Paillet said he would meet Rashid in OUA, we would fly the DC8 to Angola, and we would receive a 1 month salary advance upon arrival...
xxx
This is what I assume happened. Paillet made a deal with Rashid, something like "you bail the 1011 out, and we give you a piece of the deal"... probably a worthless piece of paper putting Rashid in this succesful airline management team). Paillet made us in the DC8 feel (with almost a real little tear in his eye) that arriving, in Angola would save it all for the company, you guys salaries in the 1011, what a masterpiece of theatre, Mr. Paillet. I believed you.
xxx
We arrived in Luanda... No money... our "palace" (as it had been described to Paillet by Rashid) was a prefab bungalow. We demanded to be moved to the hotel... Then the calls were daily to Paillet in OUA, where is the money... Rashid is coming, he is coming... after 2 or 3 weeks, ronDC8 went home... we stayed, we could not pay for a ticket... We never got the money, we were repatriated by the U.S. Embassy, we owe the money ($2,000) to Uncle Sam, until then our passports are stamped "not valid for travel") - that is forced unemployment for us, pilots, without a passport...
xxx
But, Mr. Paillet, you are dealing with me... and I am a tough one to bite... We will see you in court, law suit against Northeast, and YOU personally, back salaries, reimbursement of travel, forced unemployment, reinstatement of passport, damages, legal costs, and God knows what our lawyer will dream about.
xxx
The wheels of justice are slow, but we are patient. Sell your SUV, your BMW 740, and your Porsche Mr. Paillet, and probably your house too... hope you have nice equity in it...
xxx
If any of you need legal help, contact me, I the end of my years of university, I made one year of International Air Law, and made friends with a lot of aviation lawyers, it is a friend who will be on our side... Sorry Glenn, I think you are a nice guy, sincere, but Paillet was a bad choice as a partner...
xxx
I have known CEO Glenn since over 2 years ago, initially it was to be a 747 captain for an ACMI (Hajj) in Nigeria for Chief Kabo's brother Garba "Freedom Air" - Glenn got me a fresh PC, paid my hotel, and round trip back home, and gave me my $500 per diem for showing up... But he did not get the deal...
xxx
We had stayed in touch... Then nearly a year ago, Glenn again mentions another 747 ACMI (Hajj) contract, this time in SHJ, and I answered yes, call me when you need me. I got unemployed by September, and planned to relocate from Los Angeles to Miami. I sent my wife first, to look for a job for her, and rent a studio. Got all our belongings in a storage in L.A. and late November took my car and drove to settle in Ft Lauderdale.
xxx
The 747 did not materialize, I am not 1011 qualified, but I was a DC8 captain some 13 years ago, this qualifies me at least as per FAR 61.55 as DC8 F/O, and they were "about" to operate a DC8 to Angola, end of December. I accepted that assignment, besides I can handle Portuguese quite well (my wife is Brazilian) which is a plus besides my perfect French and Spanish.
xxx
Looks like they were busy in the office, putting the 1011 deal together, and needed money, I was offered "minimum wages" for survival until we went to Angola, since I have quite a few years in operations management and chief pilot, I was of assistance in the office, and kept my ears and eyes wide open... Paillet lives a few miles up the 95 (North Broward) so I went to the office 2 or 3 times a week with him, 1 hour drive to go, 1 hour back, had the time to learn a lot about Paillet's acrobatics in airline financial management. The things were definitely not moving for the DC8, and busy trying to launch that 1011 in GSO, select the crews etc.
xxx
Weeks, months went by, January, February, I constantly had to beg for a check to survive with my wife in a miserable studio, but Paillet told me I was in fat city with a wife making $800/mo as a motel room service maid and cleaner... During that period of time, I heard (Paillet's speaker phone) and the desperate calls from Rashid Mustafa in Angola crying for delivery of "his" DC8. Nothing was done to that DC8 (parked in Opa Locka), the money that Rashid sent Paillet got shuffled into the 1011 operation rather than preparing the DC8 (Paillet, you were darned good at lying to Rashid)... Then... the 1011 got seized in OUA... oh boy...
xxx
Felt bad for the guys there, but Paillet insisted all was fine, that crews would be paid, and get travel home, etc. Then suddenly, it was paillet calling Rashid for more money to get the DC8 ready. They rushed through April and half of month of May to get this old DC8 ready, maintenance work and coordination was a zoo, was like the Keystone Cops... nothing progressed much each day. And getting a F/E was not easy, shall we say...
xxx
Paillet said first that he would jump seat with us to Angola, but a change of tune, Rashid went to OUA to "fund" the release of the 1011 (Rashid is in the diamond trade, supposedly). Paillet said he would meet Rashid in OUA, we would fly the DC8 to Angola, and we would receive a 1 month salary advance upon arrival...
xxx
This is what I assume happened. Paillet made a deal with Rashid, something like "you bail the 1011 out, and we give you a piece of the deal"... probably a worthless piece of paper putting Rashid in this succesful airline management team). Paillet made us in the DC8 feel (with almost a real little tear in his eye) that arriving, in Angola would save it all for the company, you guys salaries in the 1011, what a masterpiece of theatre, Mr. Paillet. I believed you.
xxx
We arrived in Luanda... No money... our "palace" (as it had been described to Paillet by Rashid) was a prefab bungalow. We demanded to be moved to the hotel... Then the calls were daily to Paillet in OUA, where is the money... Rashid is coming, he is coming... after 2 or 3 weeks, ronDC8 went home... we stayed, we could not pay for a ticket... We never got the money, we were repatriated by the U.S. Embassy, we owe the money ($2,000) to Uncle Sam, until then our passports are stamped "not valid for travel") - that is forced unemployment for us, pilots, without a passport...
xxx
But, Mr. Paillet, you are dealing with me... and I am a tough one to bite... We will see you in court, law suit against Northeast, and YOU personally, back salaries, reimbursement of travel, forced unemployment, reinstatement of passport, damages, legal costs, and God knows what our lawyer will dream about.
xxx
The wheels of justice are slow, but we are patient. Sell your SUV, your BMW 740, and your Porsche Mr. Paillet, and probably your house too... hope you have nice equity in it...
xxx
If any of you need legal help, contact me, I the end of my years of university, I made one year of International Air Law, and made friends with a lot of aviation lawyers, it is a friend who will be on our side... Sorry Glenn, I think you are a nice guy, sincere, but Paillet was a bad choice as a partner...
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Does your lawyer have any interest in handling the 747 issue that happened prior to the Tri-star and DC-8 fraud.
Northeast claims they had nothing to do with this, yet we all sat in Jed, cockpit crews an 130 cabin crew, no pay no aircraft etc.
We all had valid N/E ID cards, our Saudia tickets said N/E.
Our 6 month visa was issued under the name of N/E.
Even the contract presented to us to sign said N/E.
N/E even requested copies of our license.
Yet somehow they claim that this was all done without their knowledge.
The cockpit had to pay their own way home.
I heard that Saudia provided travel to the cabin.
They blame all this on the Egyption Anwar Cadri.
Northeast claims they had nothing to do with this, yet we all sat in Jed, cockpit crews an 130 cabin crew, no pay no aircraft etc.
We all had valid N/E ID cards, our Saudia tickets said N/E.
Our 6 month visa was issued under the name of N/E.
Even the contract presented to us to sign said N/E.
N/E even requested copies of our license.
Yet somehow they claim that this was all done without their knowledge.
The cockpit had to pay their own way home.
I heard that Saudia provided travel to the cabin.
They blame all this on the Egyption Anwar Cadri.
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Not likely to happen...
Unfortunately, in these types of situations, the complaining parties, no matter how justified or well intended, are not likely to prevail in any civil action (criminal...out of the question), simply because most of these fly-by-night companies have little or no assets that can be attached, even if a civil suit was successful.
Our company has prevailed in the past with the MIA crowd (leasing company) simply because we held the aircraft with a federal restraining order...could not be moved or sold, unless we were paid.
They pay up in the majority of these cases.
Suspect that NEA will not pay a dime....nor can they be forced to do so.
Our company has prevailed in the past with the MIA crowd (leasing company) simply because we held the aircraft with a federal restraining order...could not be moved or sold, unless we were paid.
They pay up in the majority of these cases.
Suspect that NEA will not pay a dime....nor can they be forced to do so.
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411A: Well, a Federal restraining order works in the USA, but once the airplane is off shore you'd be at the mercy of the respective foreign legal system. And when in Africa, you'll need to bring bags of cash to get your machine back.
Just because there is a fancy placard on the cockpit door that says: "This aircraft is owned by ABC Leasing Co. and no liens shall be attached," doesn't mean diddle debob.
Just because there is a fancy placard on the cockpit door that says: "This aircraft is owned by ABC Leasing Co. and no liens shall be attached," doesn't mean diddle debob.