NorthEast (L1011) MIA shysters-update
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A shyster is a con artist to put it bluntly, a Donkey Dick is the description of what the poster on this forum has for brains, and probably in his mouth as well..the "scab" is home having a good laugh at the ridiculous posts by a bunch of rightfully pissed off people on this forum, who, if they dedicated as much energy to sorting out the problem as they have whining on this forum, would probably be a lot better off...so there you have it...
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All employees are home.
What goes around, comes around.
For those of you who have been following the Northeast L-1011 story, here is some good news.
1. All of the cabin crew that were stuck in Ouagadougu are now home. That was as of several days ago. So now all crews, Pilots and Flight Attendants are home.
2. Northeast has paid some of the crews as promised. In full I might add.
Thanks Northeast for keeping your word.
3. Thru the legal and political process, the aircraft will be leaving soon. It was being held for another companies debt, not their own. And this has been sorted out.
4. The future looks bright again for Northeast and their determination to succeed has not been affected by all the negative comments and insults posted here by a single disgruntled employee. Thru his friends they state !!
It now appears that the disgruntled employee that
DONKEY DICK , JUMP COMPLETE , and recently eyemsee speak of as their friend, has apparently falsified his employment history to obtain the very same job that he has complained so much about. Hows that for suspicious.
Your combined posts read like a broken record and when you finally ran out of things to complain about you result to personal insults regarding the weight of one of the management staff. How childish can you get. Surely you don't behave like this when you are at the controls of an aircraft ? or do you ?
I am not sure what the consequences are for falsifying your work history to obtain employment as a pilot in the UK, but in the US the penalty could put you behind bars for 5 years, and revocation of all pilot licenses as well.
There's nothing suspicious about the truth. Keep the Faith !!
For those of you who have been following the Northeast L-1011 story, here is some good news.
1. All of the cabin crew that were stuck in Ouagadougu are now home. That was as of several days ago. So now all crews, Pilots and Flight Attendants are home.
2. Northeast has paid some of the crews as promised. In full I might add.
Thanks Northeast for keeping your word.3. Thru the legal and political process, the aircraft will be leaving soon. It was being held for another companies debt, not their own. And this has been sorted out.
4. The future looks bright again for Northeast and their determination to succeed has not been affected by all the negative comments and insults posted here by a single disgruntled employee. Thru his friends they state !!
It now appears that the disgruntled employee that
DONKEY DICK , JUMP COMPLETE , and recently eyemsee speak of as their friend, has apparently falsified his employment history to obtain the very same job that he has complained so much about. Hows that for suspicious.
Your combined posts read like a broken record and when you finally ran out of things to complain about you result to personal insults regarding the weight of one of the management staff. How childish can you get. Surely you don't behave like this when you are at the controls of an aircraft ? or do you ?
I am not sure what the consequences are for falsifying your work history to obtain employment as a pilot in the UK, but in the US the penalty could put you behind bars for 5 years, and revocation of all pilot licenses as well.
There's nothing suspicious about the truth. Keep the Faith !!
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Having read it all, digested it all, and then reflected on it all ("it all" being this thread) I come to one conclusion:
Ironbutt, 411 and Longhaul have my votes for professionalism.
The rantings and ravings from the Strap-On (DD) and his followers strike me as sour grapes from little children who got into something without knowing the risks.
All experienced contract or free lance crewmembers have learned the hard way, and I'm sure those of us with experience would never leave home without at least a round trip airline ticket in hand.
To degenerate this thread into a personal vandetta just because you are a neophyte in the International Arena goes beyond the juvenille. If you screwed up just realize it and take your medicine like a man.
Try to think back to how you got that contract in the first place. I'm just guessing, but didn't any of you malcontent's wonder why you were hired to conduct International Operations in a Wide Body Heavy Jet with no (experience/PIC) in type? That should have been your first clue.
If the above paragraph doesn't apply, then I apologise. If you have experience then you're just plain stupid for getting into the situation in the first place, and no one here should feel sorry for your sorry ar$e.
Two final comments: Said Company is now advertising a DC-8 Flight Engineer position on 2 popular recruitment websites, and secondly, the word "scab" is not appropiate in this thread, as it appears at least one respected member (Ironbutt) has a friend who may or may not be, but obvivously he has gotten over it, and so should the rest of you. (sorry Iron if I'm wrong or out of line)
Ironbutt, 411 and Longhaul have my votes for professionalism.
The rantings and ravings from the Strap-On (DD) and his followers strike me as sour grapes from little children who got into something without knowing the risks.
All experienced contract or free lance crewmembers have learned the hard way, and I'm sure those of us with experience would never leave home without at least a round trip airline ticket in hand.
To degenerate this thread into a personal vandetta just because you are a neophyte in the International Arena goes beyond the juvenille. If you screwed up just realize it and take your medicine like a man.
Try to think back to how you got that contract in the first place. I'm just guessing, but didn't any of you malcontent's wonder why you were hired to conduct International Operations in a Wide Body Heavy Jet with no (experience/PIC) in type? That should have been your first clue.
If the above paragraph doesn't apply, then I apologise. If you have experience then you're just plain stupid for getting into the situation in the first place, and no one here should feel sorry for your sorry ar$e.
Two final comments: Said Company is now advertising a DC-8 Flight Engineer position on 2 popular recruitment websites, and secondly, the word "scab" is not appropiate in this thread, as it appears at least one respected member (Ironbutt) has a friend who may or may not be, but obvivously he has gotten over it, and so should the rest of you. (sorry Iron if I'm wrong or out of line)
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Thanx for the vote 3-greens, nope Longhaul and I go back 18 yrs in this lousy industry, and can affirm we both shied away from the "scabbing" opportunities that arose at..CO 1983, United, 1985, EAL 1988, and were well qualified to take said opportunities...so these folks want to call Longhaul a scab, because he has a rational approach to solving the problem, as opposed to crying in his beer with the rest of the folks here who have apparently been mislead, and have nothing better to do than sit around and whine about it...good luck to them all...read the fine print boys, and approach all contracts with a suspicious nature, unless of course it is with a reputable agency, and we know who they are..cheerio!
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Employees are home because they paid for their own tickets.
Northeast has NOT paid the cockpit crew that was stuck in OUA. So how are they hiring yet another crew for yet another aircraft? Having a round trip ticket in pocket would not have gotten any of the crew out of OUA. The only way to get a ticket out of OUA is to pay cash at the local travel agency. Nowhere to buy a ticket at the airport and they only take local currency at the travel agency. So the cockpit crew was left to their own devices to get out, having people back home getting their tickets for them. And still only getting promises of payment, nothing more.
Of course there's nothing suspicious about the truth, it just seems to be something Northeast is not capable of.
Of course there's nothing suspicious about the truth, it just seems to be something Northeast is not capable of.
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I just got "Airliners" magazine in the mail, and there is a photo of one of the NEA 1011s in the 'news' section. Looks like the old NEA in the US with the yellowbird livery.
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I ferried a Shabair DC-10, registered 9Q-CSS, from Oostend, Belgium to Shannon,Ireland back in early '95 for a guy named Poindexter. We were supposed to fly it to Birmingham,Alabama,USA for paint, but the airplane was in such bad shape after 9 months storage, we had to make an emergency landing in STN. We got as far as SNN, then had to fly Aer Lingus home.
We originally had waited 2 days in Belgique because the Zaireian mechanics who maintained it had'nt been paid for 2 months and had stolen the aircraft's batteries. I assumed in Kinshasa, they had been paid, but not after it moved to Oostend.
Wonder if its the same guy?
We originally had waited 2 days in Belgique because the Zaireian mechanics who maintained it had'nt been paid for 2 months and had stolen the aircraft's batteries. I assumed in Kinshasa, they had been paid, but not after it moved to Oostend.
Wonder if its the same guy?
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The Miami connection...
The gentleman in question used to be a principal in a company in MIA called BPI Aerospace. They parted out several TriStars and called us regarding spares available...and they had a lot, most as I recall with proper documentation.
Don't believe any connection with the govt official mentioned, as far as I know.
Did have a connection at one time with The Govnor however.
Don't believe any connection with the govt official mentioned, as far as I know.
Did have a connection at one time with The Govnor however.
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I resent being called stupid!
First of all, DownIn3Green, I resent being called stupid! I was the primary Flight Engineer in this mess. You want to meet me and say that to my face…pick a place and time! I see you post from Florida, I'm close enough to make that trip.
I have been a freelance crewmember in this game for a long time. I doubt many of you would demand a RT ticket in advance under the circumstances we were in. I did know exactly what I was getting into and the chances I was taking. We were to ferry the aircraft from the US to Africa directly into active service for the Hadj. There were a lot of delays out of GSO because of maintenance. The owners were there to insure the aircraft would not leave unless it was clean of all DMI's. It was we crewmembers pushing to get the show on the road, after all "time is money" and sitting in GSO was not getting me any OT. The primary captain and myself have over 17,000 hours on the L-1011. The primary FO I believe had over 2000.
As someone else mentioned, a RT ticket would have done us no good in Ouagadougou. Or Jeddah. B767Longhaul, I would like to know where you get your information? Which crewmembers have been paid in full? If this is true, there will be hell to pay in MIA!!!! I hope the company survives and pays us all what we are owed. I will fly for them again if I am paid. I, unlike DD's friend, consider this just business, not personal. At first I did not believe Northeast when they said they could not pay us what we were owed due to them getting screwed by the company which hired us. I was very pissed off and said some very harsh things about the company to other employees (as I'm sure many of you would have). Upon some investigative work into the situation, I have discovered some truth in what they have told us. And yes, it is true they are still responsible for that pay, but they just don't have it! What little they managed to dig up has been spent getting cabin crews home and trying to get their aircraft out of Burkina Faso. I can live with that if it results in me getting back to work and getting paid. I have also discovered some lies. Be that as it may, every company (good and bad) I have ever worked for has lied to me. No doubt all of you have been lied to also. It is a sad part of the business.
I agree we went out on a limb taking this job. When the bills need to be paid you take chances you would not normally take. Does this make me stupid? If so, then I am proud to join a long line of very talented stupid crewmembers. Those of you whom were not part of this fiasco have no idea what really went on. I was in OUA during the entire ruckus in Jeddah and can not comment on that situation too much. I do know one thing about it, the two primary adversaries, both are very bull-headed. There was bound to be a confrontation. I had many e-mails from both cockpit and cabin crew in Jeddah about the situation. I guess the real truth is in the eye of the beholder, because most of the time the stories did not jive. By the way, no one was held against their will ANYWHERE. We were all free to leave at any time. In Jeddah, the passports were being held by the Saudi immigration, this is normal for the hadj. To leave, you simply need to get a ticket and request your passports (well, maybe a little more complicated than that). Yes there is a fine if you have stayed longer than you are supposed to (if you have not given a good reason). In this case, no airplane is a good reason.
As for the crew in OUA, we laughed and drank beer most of the time. We charged all our meals to the company, which they agreed to pay. We were told that there was a (mysterious) investor on his way to OUA with some money to pay us and bail us out. It got to be a bit of a joke when day after day he never showed up. When we got tired of waiting, (the cockpit crew) we bought our own tickets home. Northeast has promised to reimburse us that cost. I believe they will if they can. We paid each of the cabin crew $100.00 out of the remaining captains slush fund before we left. The cabin crew is now home. They would have been home 2 weeks earlier if not for the war which caused cancelled flights to the middle east.
As B767Longhaul has noted in one of his posts, that mysterious investor has come through and hopefully the aircraft will be released soon. The Flight Mechanic/Owner is still in OUA working out the details. I spoke to him today. There is much, much more to this story than most of you will never know. All in all, I do not believe Northeast are SHYSTERS. They have their problems, but I think they will hold true to their word and pay us all (even DD's friend).
If I'm wrong, I'm an idiot and deserve everything I get!
I have been a freelance crewmember in this game for a long time. I doubt many of you would demand a RT ticket in advance under the circumstances we were in. I did know exactly what I was getting into and the chances I was taking. We were to ferry the aircraft from the US to Africa directly into active service for the Hadj. There were a lot of delays out of GSO because of maintenance. The owners were there to insure the aircraft would not leave unless it was clean of all DMI's. It was we crewmembers pushing to get the show on the road, after all "time is money" and sitting in GSO was not getting me any OT. The primary captain and myself have over 17,000 hours on the L-1011. The primary FO I believe had over 2000.
As someone else mentioned, a RT ticket would have done us no good in Ouagadougou. Or Jeddah. B767Longhaul, I would like to know where you get your information? Which crewmembers have been paid in full? If this is true, there will be hell to pay in MIA!!!! I hope the company survives and pays us all what we are owed. I will fly for them again if I am paid. I, unlike DD's friend, consider this just business, not personal. At first I did not believe Northeast when they said they could not pay us what we were owed due to them getting screwed by the company which hired us. I was very pissed off and said some very harsh things about the company to other employees (as I'm sure many of you would have). Upon some investigative work into the situation, I have discovered some truth in what they have told us. And yes, it is true they are still responsible for that pay, but they just don't have it! What little they managed to dig up has been spent getting cabin crews home and trying to get their aircraft out of Burkina Faso. I can live with that if it results in me getting back to work and getting paid. I have also discovered some lies. Be that as it may, every company (good and bad) I have ever worked for has lied to me. No doubt all of you have been lied to also. It is a sad part of the business.
I agree we went out on a limb taking this job. When the bills need to be paid you take chances you would not normally take. Does this make me stupid? If so, then I am proud to join a long line of very talented stupid crewmembers. Those of you whom were not part of this fiasco have no idea what really went on. I was in OUA during the entire ruckus in Jeddah and can not comment on that situation too much. I do know one thing about it, the two primary adversaries, both are very bull-headed. There was bound to be a confrontation. I had many e-mails from both cockpit and cabin crew in Jeddah about the situation. I guess the real truth is in the eye of the beholder, because most of the time the stories did not jive. By the way, no one was held against their will ANYWHERE. We were all free to leave at any time. In Jeddah, the passports were being held by the Saudi immigration, this is normal for the hadj. To leave, you simply need to get a ticket and request your passports (well, maybe a little more complicated than that). Yes there is a fine if you have stayed longer than you are supposed to (if you have not given a good reason). In this case, no airplane is a good reason.
As for the crew in OUA, we laughed and drank beer most of the time. We charged all our meals to the company, which they agreed to pay. We were told that there was a (mysterious) investor on his way to OUA with some money to pay us and bail us out. It got to be a bit of a joke when day after day he never showed up. When we got tired of waiting, (the cockpit crew) we bought our own tickets home. Northeast has promised to reimburse us that cost. I believe they will if they can. We paid each of the cabin crew $100.00 out of the remaining captains slush fund before we left. The cabin crew is now home. They would have been home 2 weeks earlier if not for the war which caused cancelled flights to the middle east.
As B767Longhaul has noted in one of his posts, that mysterious investor has come through and hopefully the aircraft will be released soon. The Flight Mechanic/Owner is still in OUA working out the details. I spoke to him today. There is much, much more to this story than most of you will never know. All in all, I do not believe Northeast are SHYSTERS. They have their problems, but I think they will hold true to their word and pay us all (even DD's friend).
If I'm wrong, I'm an idiot and deserve everything I get!
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Night Flight To Venus
L1011PFE: I've done the Indonesian Hadj many moons ago with a similar off the wall fly-by-night outfit as yours. I was current and qualified on type and they needed me. Needless to say, I had the foresight not to embark on a journey halfway around the Globe without what was then the equivalent of about $2000 cash up front.
It's not a matter about being naive or stupid or just plain dumb: it's just a matter of practical reality.
It's not a matter about being naive or stupid or just plain dumb: it's just a matter of practical reality.
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Isn't this Northeast's L-1011? ... from a press release issues last week:
THE AUXER GROUP, INC. (OTCBB: AXGI - News) announced today it has signed a Letter of Intent and to purchase, One (1) Lockheed L1011-385-50 wide-body passenger aircraft (Mfg. Serial Numbers 193C-1066 current registry 3D-NEG), 2 spare Rolls Royce RB211 engines and associated spares from TRISTAR CAPITAL LLC of Carson City, Nevada.
This is the first of 3 planned wide-body aircraft planned for acquisition by Auxer.
This L1011 aircraft was formerly operated by Trans World Airlines ("TWA") and has recently undergone a heavy maintenance work package, strip and repaint, avionics upgrades and interior reconfiguration/modifications to seat 300 (28 in Business Class and 272 in Economy Class) at HAMILTON AEROSPACE TECHNOLOGIES in Tucson, Arizona. The work included updates to the avionics, fresh custom paint, and recertification of all safety and over water equipment and interior refurbishment. The maintenance work package and revitalization of the aircraft took TRISTAR CAPITAL LLC about 120 days.
THE AUXER GROUP, INC. (OTCBB: AXGI - News) announced today it has signed a Letter of Intent and to purchase, One (1) Lockheed L1011-385-50 wide-body passenger aircraft (Mfg. Serial Numbers 193C-1066 current registry 3D-NEG), 2 spare Rolls Royce RB211 engines and associated spares from TRISTAR CAPITAL LLC of Carson City, Nevada.
This is the first of 3 planned wide-body aircraft planned for acquisition by Auxer.
This L1011 aircraft was formerly operated by Trans World Airlines ("TWA") and has recently undergone a heavy maintenance work package, strip and repaint, avionics upgrades and interior reconfiguration/modifications to seat 300 (28 in Business Class and 272 in Economy Class) at HAMILTON AEROSPACE TECHNOLOGIES in Tucson, Arizona. The work included updates to the avionics, fresh custom paint, and recertification of all safety and over water equipment and interior refurbishment. The maintenance work package and revitalization of the aircraft took TRISTAR CAPITAL LLC about 120 days.
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One more note
I forgot to mention that we did get some up front Per Diem before we departed. I would not have left without getting that. It wasn't $2000.00, but it was enough to buy a ticket home.
By the way. We did not work for nothing all that time. We did get one week of pay and about 1 month of per diem. Not much, but...
Again, I do believe when they get enough money, they will pay us. Mind you, I am not defending NEA, I (like DD's friend), believe that NEA screwed up by not having the proper funds to cover their asses. With that said, however, I understand why they did it. Hadj is a good time to make some quick cash and get a new company moving.
Like I said before, I've been doing foreign contracts for a long time. I've never been burned because I am a good judge of people. Once upon a time, I actually showed up to do hadj work halfway around the world (with a RT ticket), didn't like what I saw, and returned home. Turned out I made a good decision.
In this case, I don't believe there was any planned deception or willful neglect on the part of NEA. I believe they, like us, were victims of circumstance. If they really wanted to screw us, they could fold up shop, go bankrupt and cut their loses.
For me, it is a case by case evaluation of the company I will do the contract for. Let's not forget one thing. Right now there are more pilots than there are jobs. Demanding a lot of up front money from a start-up operation may not be to your benifit. There will be lots of guys standing in line ready to take your place.
That, my friend, is the reality of this situation.
By the way. We did not work for nothing all that time. We did get one week of pay and about 1 month of per diem. Not much, but...
Again, I do believe when they get enough money, they will pay us. Mind you, I am not defending NEA, I (like DD's friend), believe that NEA screwed up by not having the proper funds to cover their asses. With that said, however, I understand why they did it. Hadj is a good time to make some quick cash and get a new company moving.
Like I said before, I've been doing foreign contracts for a long time. I've never been burned because I am a good judge of people. Once upon a time, I actually showed up to do hadj work halfway around the world (with a RT ticket), didn't like what I saw, and returned home. Turned out I made a good decision.
In this case, I don't believe there was any planned deception or willful neglect on the part of NEA. I believe they, like us, were victims of circumstance. If they really wanted to screw us, they could fold up shop, go bankrupt and cut their loses.
For me, it is a case by case evaluation of the company I will do the contract for. Let's not forget one thing. Right now there are more pilots than there are jobs. Demanding a lot of up front money from a start-up operation may not be to your benifit. There will be lots of guys standing in line ready to take your place.
That, my friend, is the reality of this situation.
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Shysters no longer appropriate, "GANGSTERS" more like it!
The word “shysters” is no longer appropriate when referring to Northeast Airlines.
After obtaining legal advice, I am told "gangsters" is a far more appropriate label.
Gross incompetence and greed are not a crime, DECEPTION, THREATS AND OBSCENE COMMUNICATION are.
The deception by Northeast Airlines is that they, the owner/managers and holders of an AOC, were competent to run an airline and would therefore treat their employees accordingly, e.g. pay them for services rendered, not leave them stranded in a foreign country, treat them with respect, not lie to them etc.
Former employees are receiving threatening and obscene emails from Northeast Airlines owners/managers.
Northeast have NOT paid all their employees and former employees, despite false assurances that pay is forthcoming. Not surprisingly, there is no one at Northeast Airlines who will take responsibility for the quagmire in which they now find themselves, take command and put matters right.
Northeast have paid Algerian and Chinese cabin crew who happen to be the girlfriends of the owners. Northeast have also paid an Iranian errand boy and American wannabe airline charter broker (I hope this particular individual distances himself from Northeast as quickly as possible and resumes his career with a legitimate airline).
Northeast are even now refusing to pay some of the cabin crew any salary whatsoever because their alleged calls to parents informing them they were stranded in Burkina Faso and Jeddah were excessive. What sterling individuals and mountains of integrity these characters are. Never underestimate the ability of Northeast to sink to the lowest depths of employee abuse.
B767Longhaul – The future does NOT look bright for Northeast Airlines, far from it, through the information and FACTS posted on this website, ongoing investigation by various agencies, it looks distinctly bleak.
With the exception of the cabin crew who were girlfriends of the owners, an errand boy and one potential scab, the majority of employees and former employees of Northeast Airlines are disgruntled, NOT “one single disgruntled employee” as you state. Perhaps you have been unable to comprehend the posting from disgruntled employees on this website.
Your false and malicious comment regarding falsification of employment records by one former employee is ludicrous and does not dignify response.
Despite all the outrageous treatment of personnel by Northeast Airlines and the FACT that management are sending obscene and threatening emails to former employees, the personal insults against me by your cronies below, you chose to chastise me for ONE statement of FACT in regard to the diet of one of the owners. You are simply grasping at straws.
Ironbutt57 – If you cannot contribute something more substantial than your posts on this thread, please limit yourself to READ ONLY.
I would suggest you concentrate on finding another job. You may not know it yet, but you are about to have your work permit revoked in the UK.
DownIn3Green – This thread is NOT a personal vendetta, ranting or raving, it is a statement of fact and a warning to others in regard to the sham airline, Northeast.
The crew members to whom you refer have vast experience and it is impertinent of you to suggest otherwise.
I urge you to heed the following advice; DO NOT refer to any crew member unfortunate enough to have been associated with Northeast as, a neophyte or stupid. Such comments do nothing except confirm your arrogant attitude and increase your number of enemies.
To all readers:
Everything I have posted in regard to Northeast Airlines (NEA – Northjet) is FACT and can be proven.
Please note: Northeast Airlines are advertising for new flight crew.
Save yourself from hell. Please read ALL the above postings before applying.
Never underestimate the ability of Northeast Airlines to sink to the absolute lowest depths of employee abuse.
After obtaining legal advice, I am told "gangsters" is a far more appropriate label.
Gross incompetence and greed are not a crime, DECEPTION, THREATS AND OBSCENE COMMUNICATION are.
The deception by Northeast Airlines is that they, the owner/managers and holders of an AOC, were competent to run an airline and would therefore treat their employees accordingly, e.g. pay them for services rendered, not leave them stranded in a foreign country, treat them with respect, not lie to them etc.
Former employees are receiving threatening and obscene emails from Northeast Airlines owners/managers.
Northeast have NOT paid all their employees and former employees, despite false assurances that pay is forthcoming. Not surprisingly, there is no one at Northeast Airlines who will take responsibility for the quagmire in which they now find themselves, take command and put matters right.
Northeast have paid Algerian and Chinese cabin crew who happen to be the girlfriends of the owners. Northeast have also paid an Iranian errand boy and American wannabe airline charter broker (I hope this particular individual distances himself from Northeast as quickly as possible and resumes his career with a legitimate airline).
Northeast are even now refusing to pay some of the cabin crew any salary whatsoever because their alleged calls to parents informing them they were stranded in Burkina Faso and Jeddah were excessive. What sterling individuals and mountains of integrity these characters are. Never underestimate the ability of Northeast to sink to the lowest depths of employee abuse.
B767Longhaul – The future does NOT look bright for Northeast Airlines, far from it, through the information and FACTS posted on this website, ongoing investigation by various agencies, it looks distinctly bleak.
With the exception of the cabin crew who were girlfriends of the owners, an errand boy and one potential scab, the majority of employees and former employees of Northeast Airlines are disgruntled, NOT “one single disgruntled employee” as you state. Perhaps you have been unable to comprehend the posting from disgruntled employees on this website.
Your false and malicious comment regarding falsification of employment records by one former employee is ludicrous and does not dignify response.
Despite all the outrageous treatment of personnel by Northeast Airlines and the FACT that management are sending obscene and threatening emails to former employees, the personal insults against me by your cronies below, you chose to chastise me for ONE statement of FACT in regard to the diet of one of the owners. You are simply grasping at straws.
Ironbutt57 – If you cannot contribute something more substantial than your posts on this thread, please limit yourself to READ ONLY.
I would suggest you concentrate on finding another job. You may not know it yet, but you are about to have your work permit revoked in the UK.
DownIn3Green – This thread is NOT a personal vendetta, ranting or raving, it is a statement of fact and a warning to others in regard to the sham airline, Northeast.
The crew members to whom you refer have vast experience and it is impertinent of you to suggest otherwise.
I urge you to heed the following advice; DO NOT refer to any crew member unfortunate enough to have been associated with Northeast as, a neophyte or stupid. Such comments do nothing except confirm your arrogant attitude and increase your number of enemies.
To all readers:
Everything I have posted in regard to Northeast Airlines (NEA – Northjet) is FACT and can be proven.
Please note: Northeast Airlines are advertising for new flight crew.
Save yourself from hell. Please read ALL the above postings before applying.
Never underestimate the ability of Northeast Airlines to sink to the absolute lowest depths of employee abuse.
Join Date: Sep 2002
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These scumbags at NEA are just trying to take advantage of anyone naive enough to go to work for them. Unfortunately, there are still dishonest, disreputable airlines/managers out there, willing to screw over working stiffs.
I hope their operation gets shut down and never restarted.
I hope their operation gets shut down and never restarted.
Join Date: Jan 2003
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To DD,
I am an American that was caught up in the 747 drama that happened prior to your employment at Northeast.
I too was screwed over with no pay.
My question is that if Northeast operates in an office in MIA then they have to have a business license that would make them liable under US employment laws.
If you have legal representation then I would like to combine my information with your attorney.
I will be returning home next month and intend to do everything I can about this issue.
I am also composing a letter to my congressman about this issue.
May not help but I hope it does.
Its a sad state when out of work pilots have to pay the bills and get trapped in this type of ordeal.
I have read many posts where people have stated that they have been burnt before and to get over it.
Well guys if they operate out of MIA then they have to have a business license. may not be anything that can be done in other countries but in the USA they will find out that they cannot do this.
Lets all get our salary and prevent them from screwing other crewmembers.
Forgot to add:
I did think they were telling the truth, but after reading the past post, I know they are lying also.
These guys need to be shut down.
If we took out an ad in the MIA paper about not being paid then they would try to get us into court where as all of the lies could be presented and maybe the courts would shut them down after seeing all of our claims are true.
By the way L-1011 PFE I also am from Summerville SC.
I am sure that we know each other, probably from the Military, Saudia or elsewhere.
I hope that you get your pay, I am after mine.
I have been in this business for quite some time too. L-1011/747
I am sure that you dont hold it personal but I think these people at NEA are lying.
Best of luck to you guy!
I am an American that was caught up in the 747 drama that happened prior to your employment at Northeast.
I too was screwed over with no pay.
My question is that if Northeast operates in an office in MIA then they have to have a business license that would make them liable under US employment laws.
If you have legal representation then I would like to combine my information with your attorney.
I will be returning home next month and intend to do everything I can about this issue.
I am also composing a letter to my congressman about this issue.
May not help but I hope it does.
Its a sad state when out of work pilots have to pay the bills and get trapped in this type of ordeal.
I have read many posts where people have stated that they have been burnt before and to get over it.
Well guys if they operate out of MIA then they have to have a business license. may not be anything that can be done in other countries but in the USA they will find out that they cannot do this.
Lets all get our salary and prevent them from screwing other crewmembers.
Forgot to add:
I did think they were telling the truth, but after reading the past post, I know they are lying also.
These guys need to be shut down.
If we took out an ad in the MIA paper about not being paid then they would try to get us into court where as all of the lies could be presented and maybe the courts would shut them down after seeing all of our claims are true.
By the way L-1011 PFE I also am from Summerville SC.
I am sure that we know each other, probably from the Military, Saudia or elsewhere.
I hope that you get your pay, I am after mine.
I have been in this business for quite some time too. L-1011/747
I am sure that you dont hold it personal but I think these people at NEA are lying.
Best of luck to you guy!