NorthEast (L1011) MIA shysters-update
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I read in "Airways News Online" that the L-1011 was parked because of fuel bills not being paid by the charter organizer, not Northeast in that they only provide ACMI - not fuel.
Any truth to this? Or did the crew walk off for non-payment, as well?
Thanks,
Brian
Any truth to this? Or did the crew walk off for non-payment, as well?
Thanks,
Brian
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it gets worse
Steady boy, steady.....
I am only reporting on this sham airline for a friend involved with these Miami shysters. He has called me regularly with the shameful details. Computer access in Saudi and Africa is very restricted and painfully slow at best.
The latest news is that crews abandoned in Jeddah were given free tickets courtesy of Emirates Airlines and arranged by handling agent UNASCO (well done UNASCO). The tickets were home to Dubai for the cabin crew and to London for the flight crew. The flight crew are now trying to find cheap tickets home from London (with NO help from their employer Northeast of course).
I understand that after 2 weeks of false promises and lies from one of the owners, my friend had finally had enough and decided to contact the appropriate authorities and make them aware of the FACTS in order that the appropriate action could be taken. For the crew in Jeddah, it seems to have worked.
The same owner in Jeddah, had the affront to tell the hotel manger that he was only one of the crew and not responsible for the situation! This particular owner is now being detained in Jeddah by the Saudi authorties (lets hope they throw away the key, from all accounts, this would greatly assist his diet).
One of the other owners in Burkina Faso is using money sent to repatriate the cabin crew to pay for an attorney to try and get the Tristar released. The flight crew bought their own tickets to the USA a long time ago.
It would seem that getting the crew home would be their first priority. Apparantly, Northeast is not a "peolple" airline. Wouldn't you think anyone operating a Tristar could come up with a few thousand dollars to get crew home?
Aint no way to run an airline.............
I am only reporting on this sham airline for a friend involved with these Miami shysters. He has called me regularly with the shameful details. Computer access in Saudi and Africa is very restricted and painfully slow at best.
The latest news is that crews abandoned in Jeddah were given free tickets courtesy of Emirates Airlines and arranged by handling agent UNASCO (well done UNASCO). The tickets were home to Dubai for the cabin crew and to London for the flight crew. The flight crew are now trying to find cheap tickets home from London (with NO help from their employer Northeast of course).
I understand that after 2 weeks of false promises and lies from one of the owners, my friend had finally had enough and decided to contact the appropriate authorities and make them aware of the FACTS in order that the appropriate action could be taken. For the crew in Jeddah, it seems to have worked.
The same owner in Jeddah, had the affront to tell the hotel manger that he was only one of the crew and not responsible for the situation! This particular owner is now being detained in Jeddah by the Saudi authorties (lets hope they throw away the key, from all accounts, this would greatly assist his diet).
One of the other owners in Burkina Faso is using money sent to repatriate the cabin crew to pay for an attorney to try and get the Tristar released. The flight crew bought their own tickets to the USA a long time ago.
It would seem that getting the crew home would be their first priority. Apparantly, Northeast is not a "peolple" airline. Wouldn't you think anyone operating a Tristar could come up with a few thousand dollars to get crew home?
Aint no way to run an airline.............
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Has anyone from the 747 group been paid yet?
I am attempting to collect my pay through a US attorney and need to know if anyone else is doing this to save on legal cost.
This company is in the USA and has to be considered liable for pay issues.
Sorry if this opens up a can of worms but I do not work for nothing.
I am attempting to collect my pay through a US attorney and need to know if anyone else is doing this to save on legal cost.
This company is in the USA and has to be considered liable for pay issues.
Sorry if this opens up a can of worms but I do not work for nothing.
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Just spoke to this John Poindextere person from Northeast.
he said that the 747 operation with Saudia was not done with any approval from Northeast.
The ID cards and the entry visas to KSA along with the tickets was done without Northeast approval and that they were not responsible for the salary.
That still leaves all of us to go after this Anwar Cadry guy for our salary.
I was also told that his son, was locked up and told the Saudi athourities that it was all done under false conditions.
This was from Northeast.
He also stated that the L-1011 crews were going to be paid, ands that they would in the future not let anyone operate under their name again.
Dont know where that leaves us 747 crews.
Not taking any sides again but would advise everyone to beware.
My hope is the industry turns around as so no one will be burnt like this again.
he said that the 747 operation with Saudia was not done with any approval from Northeast.
The ID cards and the entry visas to KSA along with the tickets was done without Northeast approval and that they were not responsible for the salary.
That still leaves all of us to go after this Anwar Cadry guy for our salary.
I was also told that his son, was locked up and told the Saudi athourities that it was all done under false conditions.
This was from Northeast.
He also stated that the L-1011 crews were going to be paid, ands that they would in the future not let anyone operate under their name again.
Dont know where that leaves us 747 crews.
Not taking any sides again but would advise everyone to beware.
My hope is the industry turns around as so no one will be burnt like this again.
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NorthEast is not to blame regarding 747 ordeal in Jeddah !!!
This years Hadj was a mess !!!
For those of you who read about the 747 operation in Jeddah using the name of NorthEast let me fill you in some. As a pilot who was originally hired by TransJet Int'l,, formerly known as TransJet I have a few words to add.
TransJet went out of business about a year and a half ago. They had 3 747's and some MD80 series. They were a Swedish carrier and had some aircraft flying out of Manchester on the summer holiday season in 2001 amongst other flying they performed.
For reasons unknown to me, their AOC was revoked.
Now over a year later in an attempt to fly the Hadj, they contacted NorthEast to use their AOC to put their 747's on for the Hadj. They had organized approximately 10 crews and at the end could not get the financing organized to put these 747's in the air.
So one of the other parties involved, an Egyptian gentleman by the name of Anwar Kadri tried to ressurect the remains of the project by appropriating the Northeast name, AOC documents, ID card blanks, Northeast stationary and other Northeast papers in an effort to pass themselves on as if the project was continuing forward as planned. They had a contract to fly for Saudia but had no aircraft since TransJet Int'l's aircraft remained in Stockholm.
When I arrived in Jeddah, after a free ticket on Saudia and a 6 month visa entered in my passport, (by Saudi Arabian Airlines) I then went to the Crowne Plaza hotel in Jeddah and sat with a finger up my ass for about 2 weeks. The whole thing was a complete scam and Northeast was not to blame,, it was this Egyptian gentleman named Anwar Kadri and his company name is Falkon Air, out of Poland. Not to be confused with Falcon Air out of Dubai.
Capt. Donkey Dick is talking about a separate issue involving Northeast and their L-1011 that is being held in a 3rd world African country since the company that hired Northeast to do ACMI flying for them did not pay for fuel, handling and navigation charges, in addition to not paying Northeast for flying they performed as well. That is why Northeast is not able to pay their crews as originally planned. Hope this sheds some light and corrects misconceptions spoken here in this forum.
...edit to remove a couple of references (to persons who wear striped black and white jumpers and carry bags labelled "Swag") that the Towers aren't happy with. Rest OK. Ł6
For those of you who read about the 747 operation in Jeddah using the name of NorthEast let me fill you in some. As a pilot who was originally hired by TransJet Int'l,, formerly known as TransJet I have a few words to add.
TransJet went out of business about a year and a half ago. They had 3 747's and some MD80 series. They were a Swedish carrier and had some aircraft flying out of Manchester on the summer holiday season in 2001 amongst other flying they performed.
For reasons unknown to me, their AOC was revoked.
Now over a year later in an attempt to fly the Hadj, they contacted NorthEast to use their AOC to put their 747's on for the Hadj. They had organized approximately 10 crews and at the end could not get the financing organized to put these 747's in the air.
So one of the other parties involved, an Egyptian gentleman by the name of Anwar Kadri tried to ressurect the remains of the project by appropriating the Northeast name, AOC documents, ID card blanks, Northeast stationary and other Northeast papers in an effort to pass themselves on as if the project was continuing forward as planned. They had a contract to fly for Saudia but had no aircraft since TransJet Int'l's aircraft remained in Stockholm.
When I arrived in Jeddah, after a free ticket on Saudia and a 6 month visa entered in my passport, (by Saudi Arabian Airlines) I then went to the Crowne Plaza hotel in Jeddah and sat with a finger up my ass for about 2 weeks. The whole thing was a complete scam and Northeast was not to blame,, it was this Egyptian gentleman named Anwar Kadri and his company name is Falkon Air, out of Poland. Not to be confused with Falcon Air out of Dubai.
Capt. Donkey Dick is talking about a separate issue involving Northeast and their L-1011 that is being held in a 3rd world African country since the company that hired Northeast to do ACMI flying for them did not pay for fuel, handling and navigation charges, in addition to not paying Northeast for flying they performed as well. That is why Northeast is not able to pay their crews as originally planned. Hope this sheds some light and corrects misconceptions spoken here in this forum.
...edit to remove a couple of references (to persons who wear striped black and white jumpers and carry bags labelled "Swag") that the Towers aren't happy with. Rest OK. Ł6
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ACMI or not, Northeast IS STILL RESPONSIBLE
B767 Longhaul........
You are absolutely right. There are two separate issues regarding Northeast here. However, Northeast still holds the AOC and IS therefore responsible for it's use. It's rather like loaning your car to someone. Would you loan it to a drunk? of course not, if you did you would be held jointly responsible for it's abuse, and rightly so.
Northeast did not loan their AOC (and name) for free to this fellow Anwar Kadri, they were PAID for it's use. They are part responsible for it's abuse.
If you are a ACMI (Aircraft, Crew, Maintenance, Insurance) operator, you are still responsible for the payment of salary, and welfare of the flight and cabin crew unless you have a contract that states otherwise.
NORTHEAST WERE/ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CREW. Payment of salary, tickets home, welfare * Read their original advertisement on ClimbTo350*
I remind everyone that despite the pleading and crocodile tears from the Northeast owners that they are not responsible because THEY did not get paid by the company that retained them to fly the Hajj, Northeast are still responsible to pay the crew salary and their welfare. The businees contracts of third parties is NOT the crews responsibility or problem at all. The fact that Northeast did not get paid is irrelivant. The flight crew were hired to fly the aircraft. The girls, to work in the cabin. Presumably, the management at Northeast were hired to run the airline, a task they have failed to do miserably.
Their Tristar, 3D-NEC, remains impounded in Burkina Faso.
Cabin crew are abandoned in Burkina Faso.
No crew member has been paid their full salary in 3 months.
An owner was prevented from leaving Jeddah after flight and cabin crew left.
Threatening emails are being sent to certain individuals simlpy because they tell the truth about these shysters (there is plenty of evidence to support anything said or written).
Real airplanes take real money to operate. You cannot run an airline on PROMISES, POSSIBLE investors and POSSIBLE future business. It takes hard cash, and strong managment, if you do not have at least those two basics, you have no business operating (or trying to operate) an airline.
The owners at Northeast rushed blindly into the Hajj hoping to make some fast money. They got their fingers burned and are not now willing to accept responsibility for their mismanagement andlack of foresight when dealing with certain third world countries.
Instead of getting their people home FIRST, they are using what little money they have to hire "attorneys" in Burkina Faso.
TAKE RESPONSIBILITY NORTHEAST...........
You are absolutely right. There are two separate issues regarding Northeast here. However, Northeast still holds the AOC and IS therefore responsible for it's use. It's rather like loaning your car to someone. Would you loan it to a drunk? of course not, if you did you would be held jointly responsible for it's abuse, and rightly so.
Northeast did not loan their AOC (and name) for free to this fellow Anwar Kadri, they were PAID for it's use. They are part responsible for it's abuse.
If you are a ACMI (Aircraft, Crew, Maintenance, Insurance) operator, you are still responsible for the payment of salary, and welfare of the flight and cabin crew unless you have a contract that states otherwise.
NORTHEAST WERE/ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CREW. Payment of salary, tickets home, welfare * Read their original advertisement on ClimbTo350*
I remind everyone that despite the pleading and crocodile tears from the Northeast owners that they are not responsible because THEY did not get paid by the company that retained them to fly the Hajj, Northeast are still responsible to pay the crew salary and their welfare. The businees contracts of third parties is NOT the crews responsibility or problem at all. The fact that Northeast did not get paid is irrelivant. The flight crew were hired to fly the aircraft. The girls, to work in the cabin. Presumably, the management at Northeast were hired to run the airline, a task they have failed to do miserably.
Their Tristar, 3D-NEC, remains impounded in Burkina Faso.
Cabin crew are abandoned in Burkina Faso.
No crew member has been paid their full salary in 3 months.
An owner was prevented from leaving Jeddah after flight and cabin crew left.
Threatening emails are being sent to certain individuals simlpy because they tell the truth about these shysters (there is plenty of evidence to support anything said or written).
Real airplanes take real money to operate. You cannot run an airline on PROMISES, POSSIBLE investors and POSSIBLE future business. It takes hard cash, and strong managment, if you do not have at least those two basics, you have no business operating (or trying to operate) an airline.
The owners at Northeast rushed blindly into the Hajj hoping to make some fast money. They got their fingers burned and are not now willing to accept responsibility for their mismanagement andlack of foresight when dealing with certain third world countries.
Instead of getting their people home FIRST, they are using what little money they have to hire "attorneys" in Burkina Faso.
TAKE RESPONSIBILITY NORTHEAST...........
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Trying to make chickensalad out of chickensh!t?
Hey, DonkeyDick:
...as you say "NORTHEAST WERE/ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CREW. Payment of salary, tickets home, welfare * Read their original advertisement on ClimbTo350..."
That may be true, correct and easily understood. But that is no guarantee that you or anybody who may be entitled to compensation for services rendered will get money.
AOCs, Laws and Regulations are no insurance for payment. ...Even if there is a judge in a court of law somewhere who would order NORHTEAST to pay you, ...if there is no money in the till...what can you, the judge, or anybody do?
You're chasing bubbles. What smart crews who've been there and done all that do, is to get enough cash and a return ticket up front before embarking on any Hadj adventure.
...as you say "NORTHEAST WERE/ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CREW. Payment of salary, tickets home, welfare * Read their original advertisement on ClimbTo350..."
That may be true, correct and easily understood. But that is no guarantee that you or anybody who may be entitled to compensation for services rendered will get money.
AOCs, Laws and Regulations are no insurance for payment. ...Even if there is a judge in a court of law somewhere who would order NORHTEAST to pay you, ...if there is no money in the till...what can you, the judge, or anybody do?
You're chasing bubbles. What smart crews who've been there and done all that do, is to get enough cash and a return ticket up front before embarking on any Hadj adventure.
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Join the club with thousands of others...
Hey Donkey Dick,
Perhaps if you jumped into a phone booth and came out as SUPERMAN, alias Donkey Dick, you could come to the rescue of these people. Bitching on this website sure isn't going to put money into anyone's pockets. You say that Northeast was paid for use of their AOC by the Egyptian operator? Since you are such an expert, tell us how much Northeast collected ??
How would you know unless your SUPERMAN X-RAY eyes could see thru the envelope. Or maybe your SUPERMAN ears heard the conversation from your lofty perch while they talked about money. You are not the first crewmember to not get paid for his or her time spent behind the wheel, or working for an airline.
Look at the thousands of pilots worldwide now who have no job and whose retirements are worth dog ****, since many of them invested in their employers stocks.
UAL, United Airlines Stock was once over $100 a share, today it is worth .75 cents.
So you worked for a few months and didn't get paid all that was owed to you, try putting yourself into the shoes of those that have seen their retirements turn into dust.
Don't let a bad incident like this turn your blood into Kryptonite !!!!!
Perhaps if you jumped into a phone booth and came out as SUPERMAN, alias Donkey Dick, you could come to the rescue of these people. Bitching on this website sure isn't going to put money into anyone's pockets. You say that Northeast was paid for use of their AOC by the Egyptian operator? Since you are such an expert, tell us how much Northeast collected ??
How would you know unless your SUPERMAN X-RAY eyes could see thru the envelope. Or maybe your SUPERMAN ears heard the conversation from your lofty perch while they talked about money. You are not the first crewmember to not get paid for his or her time spent behind the wheel, or working for an airline.
Look at the thousands of pilots worldwide now who have no job and whose retirements are worth dog ****, since many of them invested in their employers stocks.
UAL, United Airlines Stock was once over $100 a share, today it is worth .75 cents.
So you worked for a few months and didn't get paid all that was owed to you, try putting yourself into the shoes of those that have seen their retirements turn into dust.
Don't let a bad incident like this turn your blood into Kryptonite !!!!!
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B767Longhaul....what's your point exactly?
Not sure what point you are trying to make, if any.
I am a pilot NOT an airline operator and/or owner. I am only responsible for my particular job description.
If you work you expect to get paid. A simple concept.
If I work and do not get paid, I, will do something about it. If by doing something about it, I can assist others in getting paid, that's good, don't you think.
If you accept not being paid, then I feel sorry for you.
Northeast allowed their AOC to be used by an operator who did not pay the crew. Under the USA legal system, Northeast bare some, if not all, of the responsibility (talk to your attorney).
Ultimately, it's all a question of ball size and how far you are prepared to be used and abused.
N.B. Northeast have NOT yet repatriated their cabin crew in Burkina Faso.
I am a pilot NOT an airline operator and/or owner. I am only responsible for my particular job description.
If you work you expect to get paid. A simple concept.
If I work and do not get paid, I, will do something about it. If by doing something about it, I can assist others in getting paid, that's good, don't you think.
If you accept not being paid, then I feel sorry for you.
Northeast allowed their AOC to be used by an operator who did not pay the crew. Under the USA legal system, Northeast bare some, if not all, of the responsibility (talk to your attorney).
Ultimately, it's all a question of ball size and how far you are prepared to be used and abused.
N.B. Northeast have NOT yet repatriated their cabin crew in Burkina Faso.
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Can someone confirm that the crew staying in Jed at the Al Bilad have been repatriated? I was there recently and spoke to a couple of the F/A's who were inconsolable - passports taken from them, no salaries paid, and basically being held against their will. Many of them 3rd world nationals supporting others back home. The fat bloke running the show was forever on his mobile, it seems to no avail. A sorry story indeed. Don't suppose they have much recourse either
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So I assume the L-1011 is still in Burkina Faso with the crews?
Forgive my ignorance with this, but can Embassies assist in arranging transportation?
Also, because Northeast is technically a Swaziland-based company, can you go after their principals even if they are in the US? I've seen situations where the company is just an off-shore "shell" company and contracts as a GSA to a US-based company, in the process indemnifying the US-based company of liability, etc.
Hope you guys get out of this soon...
Forgive my ignorance with this, but can Embassies assist in arranging transportation?
Also, because Northeast is technically a Swaziland-based company, can you go after their principals even if they are in the US? I've seen situations where the company is just an off-shore "shell" company and contracts as a GSA to a US-based company, in the process indemnifying the US-based company of liability, etc.
Hope you guys get out of this soon...
Does anyone else find B767Longhaul suspicious?
I addmit that I know nothing about this situation other than what I have just read here, but .... He has very few posts, seems to support this outfit (or at least make pathatetic excuses for the crew not being paid) by Northeast and seems to be violently vitriolic against Donkey Dick's completely valid point that whether or not the airline gets paid by a third party charterer is irrelivent to charges and crews being paid and repatriated and also about getting paid for work that is actually done.
I addmit that I know nothing about this situation other than what I have just read here, but .... He has very few posts, seems to support this outfit (or at least make pathatetic excuses for the crew not being paid) by Northeast and seems to be violently vitriolic against Donkey Dick's completely valid point that whether or not the airline gets paid by a third party charterer is irrelivent to charges and crews being paid and repatriated and also about getting paid for work that is actually done.
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Read what I typed out loud if you can't remember it factually, Jump !!
Hey JUMP COMPLETE ,, perhaps you are confusing my post with someone else's. ?? So read them again. Both of them.
You yourself said you don't have first hand knowledge of this and are only going by what you are reading here. I on the other hand do have first hand knowledge since I was there.
There's nothing suspicious about the truth.
You yourself said you don't have first hand knowledge of this and are only going by what you are reading here. I on the other hand do have first hand knowledge since I was there.
There's nothing suspicious about the truth.
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Suggest the only way to pursue the principals in america is to a) get the saudi's to make it a criminal investigation implicating the individuals for further investigation by the authorities in the US b) as an individual residing in the US bring a case of fraud/deception to the federal authorities attention, no amount of offshore companies and contractual 'hold harmless' BS will protect them against this ifs there is a proven case and they are seen to be party to the fraud/deception...
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Yes, Jump Complete, I too find B767LongHaul “suspicious” by his apparent support of the Northeast “SHYSTERS” Make no mistake, B767LongHaul, “SHYSTERS” is the most appropriate word for these characters from 36th Street in Miami. Many of us will recall the bad old days when shysters like these were in abundance on 36th Street, fortunately, most have long been shut down by the FAA. Northeast have registered their aircraft in Swaziland to avoid the wrath of the FAA.
I was also staying at the Albilad hotel in Jeddah during the Hajj and know of this debacle first hand having spoken to crewmembers and witnessing several uncomfortable incidents.
I can say that the “Fat Bloke” owner did nothing constructive for the first 2 weeks after his Tristar was impounded in Burkina Faso except hold one meeting with the crew to bull**** them about its release. The rest of the time I would see him and his Chinese girlfriend get on the hotel bus to go to Jeddah and shop.
Not only did the “Fat Bloke”owner constantly bull**** his employees (the crew) he told the hotel manager he was part of the crew himself and had no responsibility at Northeast at all. How do I know this, because the hotel manager asked me who the “Fat Bloke” really was. After 2 weeks of nothing but bull**** the crew started to demand tickets home and to be paid. In the hotel lobby I personally witnessed the “Fat Bloke” clench his fist and threaten to punch one particular crewmember simply because he asked for a ticket home and to be paid. I know of the crewmember concerned and the “Fat Bloke” was lucky he didn’t get his ass kicked. An errand boy of the “Fat Bloke” who was hired as a cabin attendant threatened the same crewmember, again in full public view in the hotel lobby. The “Fat Bloke” or the errand boy constantly at his side, instigated all the incidents I witnessed. The errand boy even set fire to faxes in the hotel restaurant in front of other hotel guests.
B767LongHaul – you are wrong to attack Donkey Dick. There IS evidence from independent sources to support everything he has posted in this forum. Where the hell do you get off thinking that Northeast are not responsible simple because they did not get paid. They are responsible because they chose to start their own airline. You should be supporting the demise of SHYSTERS like Northeast instead of attacking someone for telling the truth thereby helping to prevent some other poor soul from suffering the same fate.
The crew in Jeddah were repatriated by the handling agent UNASCO, NOT by Northeast. To the best of my knowledge, Northeast’s Tristar remains impounded, cabin crew are still abandoned in Burkina Faso, crew salary has not been paid.
B767LongHaul - get real and get supporting your fellow crewmembers, unless of course you too aspire to be a shyster.
I was also staying at the Albilad hotel in Jeddah during the Hajj and know of this debacle first hand having spoken to crewmembers and witnessing several uncomfortable incidents.
I can say that the “Fat Bloke” owner did nothing constructive for the first 2 weeks after his Tristar was impounded in Burkina Faso except hold one meeting with the crew to bull**** them about its release. The rest of the time I would see him and his Chinese girlfriend get on the hotel bus to go to Jeddah and shop.
Not only did the “Fat Bloke”owner constantly bull**** his employees (the crew) he told the hotel manager he was part of the crew himself and had no responsibility at Northeast at all. How do I know this, because the hotel manager asked me who the “Fat Bloke” really was. After 2 weeks of nothing but bull**** the crew started to demand tickets home and to be paid. In the hotel lobby I personally witnessed the “Fat Bloke” clench his fist and threaten to punch one particular crewmember simply because he asked for a ticket home and to be paid. I know of the crewmember concerned and the “Fat Bloke” was lucky he didn’t get his ass kicked. An errand boy of the “Fat Bloke” who was hired as a cabin attendant threatened the same crewmember, again in full public view in the hotel lobby. The “Fat Bloke” or the errand boy constantly at his side, instigated all the incidents I witnessed. The errand boy even set fire to faxes in the hotel restaurant in front of other hotel guests.
B767LongHaul – you are wrong to attack Donkey Dick. There IS evidence from independent sources to support everything he has posted in this forum. Where the hell do you get off thinking that Northeast are not responsible simple because they did not get paid. They are responsible because they chose to start their own airline. You should be supporting the demise of SHYSTERS like Northeast instead of attacking someone for telling the truth thereby helping to prevent some other poor soul from suffering the same fate.
The crew in Jeddah were repatriated by the handling agent UNASCO, NOT by Northeast. To the best of my knowledge, Northeast’s Tristar remains impounded, cabin crew are still abandoned in Burkina Faso, crew salary has not been paid.
B767LongHaul - get real and get supporting your fellow crewmembers, unless of course you too aspire to be a shyster.