NorthEast (L1011) MIA shysters-update
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Where is our pay
To the management of Northeast.
I have a ticket on Saudia in the name of Northeast.
I have an ID card issued to me in JED in the name of Northeast.
My hotel bill in which I paid was in the name of Northeast.
Someone named Glen in an E-mail wanted copies of my license which I complied in the name of Northeast.
You advertised on climbto350 for 747 crews in the name of Northeast.
Now you claim that this was done without your consent.
Answer this soon as many have questions here.
You have not paid my salary as you you claim this was all done without your approval.
Now I read that you have not paid anyone.
How much more proof do crews need.
By the way, I am not a scab nor have I ever been one. All of my jobs have been legit and have been current and qualified on ever one.
Due to a layoff I bit on this bait since I had bills to pay as which I am sure everyone has.
I trusted these people since I know the US employment laws.
Some how they think they can get away without paying anyone.
The fact that they are in Swasyland has no bearing on payment.
They are in the USA with a business licence in MIA and under the US employment laws they are legal and binding.
I have a ticket on Saudia in the name of Northeast.
I have an ID card issued to me in JED in the name of Northeast.
My hotel bill in which I paid was in the name of Northeast.
Someone named Glen in an E-mail wanted copies of my license which I complied in the name of Northeast.
You advertised on climbto350 for 747 crews in the name of Northeast.
Now you claim that this was done without your consent.
Answer this soon as many have questions here.
You have not paid my salary as you you claim this was all done without your approval.
Now I read that you have not paid anyone.
How much more proof do crews need.
By the way, I am not a scab nor have I ever been one. All of my jobs have been legit and have been current and qualified on ever one.
Due to a layoff I bit on this bait since I had bills to pay as which I am sure everyone has.
I trusted these people since I know the US employment laws.
Some how they think they can get away without paying anyone.
The fact that they are in Swasyland has no bearing on payment.
They are in the USA with a business licence in MIA and under the US employment laws they are legal and binding.
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Northeast only paying their girlfriends and cronies.....
Earl:
Sorry you had to suffer the association with Northeast. I am certain most who come into contact with Northeast do not find the expereince pleasant or "rewarding".
Through this forum and other means, it is my sincere wish that no additional crew members will have to endure such outrageous and inhumane treatment from these GANGSTERS.
I am amazed that there are actually people out there attempting (pathetically) to defend Northeast. Shame on them.
Earl, You are correct, Northeast are liable and can be sued in the USA as long as they either maintain offices or fly to/from the USA.
Northeast also have a business office in Sharjah, United Arab Emirates and are being sued in that country by the cabin attendants whom they are refusing to pay.
Northeast will be pursued through the courts in the USA by a certain individual at the end of the month should they not pay oustanding salary and per-diem. If they ever "sneak" into Europe they will be pursued through the courts on that continent also.
Northeast may give you BS about an individual in Jeddah named Anwar Khadri, who allegedly "stole" the Northeast name and call sign. NOT TRUE, Khadri paid Northeast to let him use their AOC. The Northeast gangsters in Miami are responsible for THEIR AOC and it's use, or abuse. Please read previous posts in regard to Khadri.
Also, please read the previous postings for the Miami business address and contact details of the Northeast GANG.
In summary, numerous agencies in several contries are investigating Northeast. Despite assurances, I very much doubt that any salary and/or per-diem will be forthcoming from Northeast voluntarily. Litigation against Northeast will almost certainly begin in May. Watch this space for updates.
Sorry you had to suffer the association with Northeast. I am certain most who come into contact with Northeast do not find the expereince pleasant or "rewarding".
Through this forum and other means, it is my sincere wish that no additional crew members will have to endure such outrageous and inhumane treatment from these GANGSTERS.
I am amazed that there are actually people out there attempting (pathetically) to defend Northeast. Shame on them.
Earl, You are correct, Northeast are liable and can be sued in the USA as long as they either maintain offices or fly to/from the USA.
Northeast also have a business office in Sharjah, United Arab Emirates and are being sued in that country by the cabin attendants whom they are refusing to pay.
Northeast will be pursued through the courts in the USA by a certain individual at the end of the month should they not pay oustanding salary and per-diem. If they ever "sneak" into Europe they will be pursued through the courts on that continent also.
Northeast may give you BS about an individual in Jeddah named Anwar Khadri, who allegedly "stole" the Northeast name and call sign. NOT TRUE, Khadri paid Northeast to let him use their AOC. The Northeast gangsters in Miami are responsible for THEIR AOC and it's use, or abuse. Please read previous posts in regard to Khadri.
Also, please read the previous postings for the Miami business address and contact details of the Northeast GANG.
In summary, numerous agencies in several contries are investigating Northeast. Despite assurances, I very much doubt that any salary and/or per-diem will be forthcoming from Northeast voluntarily. Litigation against Northeast will almost certainly begin in May. Watch this space for updates.
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Looks like a Northeast pilot is now going over to Viva, along with 3D-NEG, the L-1011 that's in Arizona in NE colors.
THE AUXER GROUP, INC. (OTCBB:AXGI - News) announced today that Ronald S. Greene has been appointed Chief Pilot for its Viva Airlines, Inc. subsidiary.
Mr. Greene is a military veteran of the United States Air Force and Army and has held various aviation management positions with North East Airlines, Kabo Air, Direct Personnel of Dublin, Ireland, Air Atlanta and National Airlines. Mr. Greene has captained B747's, 757's, 767's and served as a first officer of B747's and L-1011's. Mr. Greene will be responsible for flight standards and safety of Viva Airlines, Inc.
THE AUXER GROUP, INC. (OTCBB:AXGI - News) announced today that Ronald S. Greene has been appointed Chief Pilot for its Viva Airlines, Inc. subsidiary.
Mr. Greene is a military veteran of the United States Air Force and Army and has held various aviation management positions with North East Airlines, Kabo Air, Direct Personnel of Dublin, Ireland, Air Atlanta and National Airlines. Mr. Greene has captained B747's, 757's, 767's and served as a first officer of B747's and L-1011's. Mr. Greene will be responsible for flight standards and safety of Viva Airlines, Inc.
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More trouble for the Miami "gang"
Looks like the Miami gang at Northeast are in more trouble, this time with the TSA (Transport Security Agency) in the USA.
Apparantly, during their debacle of a Hajj operation, they allowed an Iranian with anti-American views and a pilot license, unrestricted access to the cockpit of their Tristar, 3D-NEC.
My God, what next!
Northeast Airlines - RIP
Apparantly, during their debacle of a Hajj operation, they allowed an Iranian with anti-American views and a pilot license, unrestricted access to the cockpit of their Tristar, 3D-NEC.
My God, what next!
Northeast Airlines - RIP
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I'm not sure I understand the bit about the Iranian with Anti-American views. Was this guy a pilot flying for them? I can't imagine it could have been just a passenger roaming around or there would be no proof of the allegation since there can't be any record of that (certainly not of the political affiliations of anyone who might have strayed into the cockpit) beyond hearsay.
If this guy was a pilot then this is more worrying. Is the TSA going to sanction any airline allowing people with Gulf-nation heritage and a dislike for Dubya's foreign policy to fly? How about the companies that dry-lease aircraft to Islamic states? Are the thought-police going to interrogate anyone flying to find out how they feel about America? Maybe Boeing ought to be sued for selling aircraft (potential weapons of mass destruction) to Saudia, Egypt Air and Emirates to name but three.
If this guy was a pilot then this is more worrying. Is the TSA going to sanction any airline allowing people with Gulf-nation heritage and a dislike for Dubya's foreign policy to fly? How about the companies that dry-lease aircraft to Islamic states? Are the thought-police going to interrogate anyone flying to find out how they feel about America? Maybe Boeing ought to be sued for selling aircraft (potential weapons of mass destruction) to Saudia, Egypt Air and Emirates to name but three.
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Well its against the rules to allow anyone in the cockpit.
You get what you pay for.
So far N/E has not paid anyone
Should not have put it that way, some of the crew there I know and are professional people.
N/E still has not paid anyone.
I cannot understand why the TSA would be involved when this did not happen in the US.
Or are they operating under an N reg now?
You get what you pay for.
So far N/E has not paid anyone
Should not have put it that way, some of the crew there I know and are professional people.
N/E still has not paid anyone.
I cannot understand why the TSA would be involved when this did not happen in the US.
Or are they operating under an N reg now?
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The TSA, a U.S. Government entity, has neither jurisdiction nor control over who flys or enters the cockpit of a foreign registered airplane outside the territorial limits of the USA.
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eyemsee and DonkeyDick, same nonsense.
Hey eyemsee , were you there ? If you were not working for NorthEast then how would you know what went on in the cockpit of their L-1011 ? If you were working for Northeast, then you would know that the Iranian that had anti-american views, according to you, was in fact an employee, and a Flight Attendant with full rights to the cockpit. We did have one pilot working at Northeast that had problems with this Flight Attendant, but he was British, not American. And in fact, I found this man to be an excellent Flight Attendant, and a very hard worker under the circumstances. And Glueball is correct, Northeast has nothing to do with the TSA so I'll take my coffee with cream and sugar please.. Thanks. 
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B767Longhaul - GlueBall
B767Longhaul aka Judus, - just how much in outsanding salary and per-diem have you been paid by the Northeast gang, while others use their savings and IRA's?
GlueBall - TSA are involved because Northeast have registered offices in Miami, owners are all US citizens and their aircraft, 3D-NEC, departed from the USA - see previous posts with regard to the location of the Northeast US offices.
The Iranian in question did have anti-American views, does have a pilots license and did have full and unrestricted access to the cockpit on the pretense that he was employed as a Flight Attendant. The individual in question did not perform any duties as a Flight Attendant. A fact which has been confirmed in writing by the Cabin Services Director for Northeast.
The Shystar, 3D-NEC, operated by Northeast, remains impounded in Burkina Faso. With the exception of B767Longhaul, who seems to have an intimate relationship with Northeast, none of the crew participating in the 2003 Hajj fiasco, have been paid.
The end is nigh...............
GlueBall - TSA are involved because Northeast have registered offices in Miami, owners are all US citizens and their aircraft, 3D-NEC, departed from the USA - see previous posts with regard to the location of the Northeast US offices.
The Iranian in question did have anti-American views, does have a pilots license and did have full and unrestricted access to the cockpit on the pretense that he was employed as a Flight Attendant. The individual in question did not perform any duties as a Flight Attendant. A fact which has been confirmed in writing by the Cabin Services Director for Northeast.
The Shystar, 3D-NEC, operated by Northeast, remains impounded in Burkina Faso. With the exception of B767Longhaul, who seems to have an intimate relationship with Northeast, none of the crew participating in the 2003 Hajj fiasco, have been paid.
The end is nigh...............
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Donkey dick,,, get a life will you.
Hey Donkeydick since you state you were not an employee of Northeast, then how would you know what the rest of us have been paid ?? Unless your Superman intellect is again at work, mind reading, seeing thru walls, knowing everyone else's business but your own.
As for the TSA, they were only involved when Northeast ferried their aircraft out of the states. It's all water under the bridge my friend, let it go.
As for the TSA, they were only involved when Northeast ferried their aircraft out of the states. It's all water under the bridge my friend, let it go.
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DonkeyDick:
For that matter, British Airways has offices all over the U.S.A...as well as a business license to conduct business in the U.S.A. etc....
So just because BA flys U.S. citizens in and out of the U.S.A. doesn't mean that the TSA would have jurisdiction about who enters the cockpit of a U.K. registered airplane in Africa.
You wouldn't have an Italian police officer make an arrest of an Italian citizen in the streets of London, or would you?
For that matter, British Airways has offices all over the U.S.A...as well as a business license to conduct business in the U.S.A. etc....
So just because BA flys U.S. citizens in and out of the U.S.A. doesn't mean that the TSA would have jurisdiction about who enters the cockpit of a U.K. registered airplane in Africa.
You wouldn't have an Italian police officer make an arrest of an Italian citizen in the streets of London, or would you?
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Arrests etc
Hello GlueBall... Actually you just might have that happen. Not in London but a real possibility in the Schengen convention countries. Schengen convention dictates extensive co-operation between law enforcement agencies in serious crimes and does allow for example Italian officers making an arrest of Italian citizens in say Brussels.
I guess your point was that FAA has no jurisdiction over A British registered and operated aircraft over Africa. In this you are absolutely 100% right.
Cheers
JJ
I guess your point was that FAA has no jurisdiction over A British registered and operated aircraft over Africa. In this you are absolutely 100% right.
Cheers
JJ
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I am certain those who are owed money will NEVER "Let it go"
Northeast will find themselves pursued all over the world until such time as settlement payments are made. I know of one individual who is patiently waiting to take steps to impound any Northeast aircraft should he not be paid. It's only a matter of time and the right country. TAKE NOTE NORTHEAST.
GlueBall - There was talk of this particualr Iranian coming to the US to ferry another Northeast Shystar, sorry, Tristar, out of the US on some other questionable contract. So lets hope the TSA do get involved, very involved, with Northeast and their affairs.
Northeast will find themselves pursued all over the world until such time as settlement payments are made. I know of one individual who is patiently waiting to take steps to impound any Northeast aircraft should he not be paid. It's only a matter of time and the right country. TAKE NOTE NORTHEAST.
GlueBall - There was talk of this particualr Iranian coming to the US to ferry another Northeast Shystar, sorry, Tristar, out of the US on some other questionable contract. So lets hope the TSA do get involved, very involved, with Northeast and their affairs.
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NorthEast DC8 Angola
NorthEast tried another one recently, aircraft 3D-ETM, a DC8-54F has been agreed to be leased, or leased with purchase option by a Luanda, Angola operater, named Rasheed Mustafa (Lebanese born)... A crew of 3 has positioned the aircraft from Opa Locka to Luanda on 15 May, with offer of permanent job, housing and payment of first month of wages "directly" upon arrival, by the "airline president" Eric F. Paillet...
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The crew is right now awaiting in Luanda, since 2 weeks. We have been unable to receive payment, since all contacts by phone to Eric Paillet or Rasheed Mustafa (both presently trying to rescue the said L-1011 in Burkina Faso) are ending up by "yes, we give you money tomorrow"... but the "tomorrow" never comes.
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For all that the crew can see here on location, they feel that they have ferried the DC8, as a future "Stage 3 DC8 Restaurant" at the Luanda Airport... The crew stays in a hotel in town, the housing facility was far from acceptable... No funds available... This crew has requested to proceed back to the USA, so far no answer from either Eric or Rasheed...
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Suggest the future "replacement" crews to require (in addition to the round trip airline ticket) to receive not ONE but TWO month of salary in advance... P.S. the Jeppesens are in the cockpit, Africa trip kit issued MAR 03, suggest you take revisions... by the way, autopilot is INOP... have fun...
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The crew is right now awaiting in Luanda, since 2 weeks. We have been unable to receive payment, since all contacts by phone to Eric Paillet or Rasheed Mustafa (both presently trying to rescue the said L-1011 in Burkina Faso) are ending up by "yes, we give you money tomorrow"... but the "tomorrow" never comes.
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For all that the crew can see here on location, they feel that they have ferried the DC8, as a future "Stage 3 DC8 Restaurant" at the Luanda Airport... The crew stays in a hotel in town, the housing facility was far from acceptable... No funds available... This crew has requested to proceed back to the USA, so far no answer from either Eric or Rasheed...
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Suggest the future "replacement" crews to require (in addition to the round trip airline ticket) to receive not ONE but TWO month of salary in advance... P.S. the Jeppesens are in the cockpit, Africa trip kit issued MAR 03, suggest you take revisions... by the way, autopilot is INOP... have fun...
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Time to agree on something
Yes DonkeyDick I agree with you. I do not wish to let go what is owed to me either.
Perhaps we can agree on something, that would be to join forces and file a claim in court for our pay. What do you say ?
Perhaps we can agree on something, that would be to join forces and file a claim in court for our pay. What do you say ?
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@ rondc8,
Got this email from a friend of mine who has been at the receiving end as well and as far as I know he is still ‘hoping’ for his money.
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This, once again, is an instance of Northeast Airlines not paying their crews. The purchaser of the DC8 is “refuting all of these allegations, as they are not his crews” and has and will continue to provide for the crew with 5*hotac, car, body guard, spending money and if/when required repatriation, until Northeast does (or as we all know “does–not”.) So keep calling “Northeast Airlines President” as you might get paid one day… ask L1011 crews…
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@ B767Longhaul,
That is exactly what you guys should do. Team up together and file in court of law. Get their assets locked up by bailiffs. How about putting a sticker on his private house and car?
There have been many ‘Northeasts’ in the past. But I believe this is one of the worst cases I’ve come across so far. Such people have zero consideration for what kind of hell they put others through. They’re obviously out for the ‘quick buck’ at the cost of the entire aviation community. Time to stop them.
Got this email from a friend of mine who has been at the receiving end as well and as far as I know he is still ‘hoping’ for his money.
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This, once again, is an instance of Northeast Airlines not paying their crews. The purchaser of the DC8 is “refuting all of these allegations, as they are not his crews” and has and will continue to provide for the crew with 5*hotac, car, body guard, spending money and if/when required repatriation, until Northeast does (or as we all know “does–not”.) So keep calling “Northeast Airlines President” as you might get paid one day… ask L1011 crews…
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@ B767Longhaul,
That is exactly what you guys should do. Team up together and file in court of law. Get their assets locked up by bailiffs. How about putting a sticker on his private house and car?
There have been many ‘Northeasts’ in the past. But I believe this is one of the worst cases I’ve come across so far. Such people have zero consideration for what kind of hell they put others through. They’re obviously out for the ‘quick buck’ at the cost of the entire aviation community. Time to stop them.
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I received 3 different E-mails from Northeast explaining their claim as to not having anything to do with the 747 operation.
I found this to be a bunch of B/S.
I am not sure what can be done in court but would hope we could all band together with the evidence to make our case stronger.
These people need to be stopped.
I have spread the word with everyone I fly with in Europe and the middle east. Not one bit of untruth.
Their name is not good anywhere.
I only hope they try to take me to court for slander as I would love for the judge to see this.
The next crews should pull the INS and hold it for payment.
Meanwhile lets all spread the word about them.
I found this to be a bunch of B/S.
I am not sure what can be done in court but would hope we could all band together with the evidence to make our case stronger.
These people need to be stopped.
I have spread the word with everyone I fly with in Europe and the middle east. Not one bit of untruth.
Their name is not good anywhere.
I only hope they try to take me to court for slander as I would love for the judge to see this.
The next crews should pull the INS and hold it for payment.
Meanwhile lets all spread the word about them.