BA Euroflyer

[White Van Driver]

Originally Posted by FACoff

I’d be genuinely interested to know how anyone could possibly squeeze additional work into the rosters I’ve seen at EF. Seems to be routinely 6 days on, earlies then lates, 2 or very occasionally 3 days off. Fatigue aside I can’t imagine it’s legally possible to do much overtime?

The (slightly) higher pay at EF compared to the junior pay levels at Heathrow are a bit misleading. Compare your days off (10 at EF?) vs a Heathrow pilot (12-14?). Any Heathrow pilot working 2-4 days overtime would easily beat the take home of an EF skipper.

If you’re working harder for your salary, is it really a better salary?

Very good point about the days off, i had not considered that. At minimum credit (4.5hrs/day) a LHR A320 pilot will need around 19 days at work for a normal cap month. If a few higher credit days are thrown in then the days worked will reduce. Is the work at BAEF highly seasonal?

I'm well aware we don't want this to descend into a LHR vs LGW debate so in the spirit of bringing it back to LGW I've added the fixed pattern roster which is ONLY available at BAEF not at mainline. I believe this has been signed off by BALPA, maybe someone can confirm when it comes into effect and whether there are conditions to starting on it or will all pilots be on it as standard?

[AIMINGHIGH123]

Originally Posted by The Foss

If including overtime in the figures, it’s been available at BAEF pretty much every day for captains this summer. Rate has been 1.5x on weekdays and 2.0x on weekends which can get doubled again for reports before 6am or clearing after midnight if the adjacent day was also an OFF

Well not sure if it’s the same at Euroflyer but at mainline I try not to work extra days unless it’s a good trip.
I just drop a low credit trip for higher credit and get the extra credit at overtime rate. I see it that if I’m coming into work anyway I will just trade to a longer day. Easily get 5hrs overtime rate doing this with a best of 14 hrs working no extra days. (Has to be no more than 2 sectors, too much hard work after that).

[doz111]

Is it correct that the Euroflyer roster is done on aims and not ibid, so there is no credit/cap as such? Or is it the same as at mainline now?

[barney2]

Does anyone know the gap between interviews and actual start dates for BA / Euroflyer, I've heard rumours just curious for someone who's non-rated with 500H 737.

Cheers

[FullyFullyReady]

Originally Posted by White Van Driver

Very good point about the days off, i had not considered that. At minimum credit (4.5hrs/day) a LHR A320 pilot will need around 19 days at work for a normal cap month. If a few higher credit days are thrown in then the days worked will reduce. Is the work at BAEF highly seasonal?

I'm well aware we don't want this to descend into a LHR vs LGW debate so in the spirit of bringing it back to LGW I've added the fixed pattern roster which is ONLY available at BAEF not at mainline. I believe this has been signed off by BALPA, maybe someone can confirm when it comes into effect and whether there are conditions to starting on it or will all pilots be on it as standard?

Good gen WVD thank you. What's an FRD? A duty can be rostered into the start of that day?

[White Van Driver]

Originally Posted by FullyFullyReady

Good gen WVD thank you. What's an FRD? A duty can be rostered into the start of that day?

Not sure, all I know is what's written at the bottom of the chart.

[FACoff]

Fixed Rest Day I suspect. Essentially a day off but via a means by which BA will never have to reimburse you if it is disrupted in any way (no returned day off, no payment etc). Suspect you’d also be compelled to operate into it if delayed.

[Twiglet1]

Originally Posted by FACoff

I’d be genuinely interested to know how anyone could possibly squeeze additional work into the rosters I’ve seen at EF. Seems to be routinely 6 days on, earlies then lates, 2 or very occasionally 3 days off. Fatigue aside I can’t imagine it’s legally possible to do much overtime?

The (slightly) higher pay at EF compared to the junior pay levels at Heathrow are a bit misleading. Compare your days off (10 at EF?) vs a Heathrow pilot (12-14?). Any Heathrow pilot working 2-4 days overtime would easily beat the take home of an EF skipper.

If you’re working harder for your salary, is it really a better salary?

FACoff with respect to legally possible question it has to fit into the recurrent extended recovery rest regulations which in the old days was called days off. From report at day 1 you can work 168hrs <7 x 24> that includes FDP, Duty, rest at home or hotel etc etc

[Twiglet1]

Originally Posted by FACoff

Fixed Rest Day I suspect. Essentially a day off but via a means by which BA will never have to reimburse you if it is disrupted in any way (no returned day off, no payment etc). Suspect you’d also be compelled to operate into it if delayed.

FACofff of course you'd be compelled to operate into it if delayed. Its not a day off.

[FACoff]

You sound alarmingly like management Twiglet.

No, it's not a day off, but it should be after 5 days on. BAEF's direct competitor (for pilot T&Cs at least) is Easyjet, and they do 5/4/5/3 with no rest days and far stricter FTLs, not to mention considerably higher salaries. Anyone looking at joining BAEF should have that context. EF could potentially write off your rest day and plan 6 on - what real use is that day?

But thanks for pointing out you can't work more than 24 hours a day, every day, all week.

[dan.cat3c]

Any truth in the 737 Max fleet renewal?
Also, I saw that they are advertising for positions "aspiration to command" but they don't mention all the requirements for capt upgrade in euroflyer. Anyone here has direct info on what are the list of company requirements?

[nomadic321]

Question regarding rostering, is there any control or preferencing? Are there 'lifestyle' part time options outside of governement flexible working applications?

[eagle21]

How does the pensionable pay compare at EF for a captain let’s say on pay point 5?

[737 Jockey]

How is the fixed roster working out for people these days? 5/2 at times seems a bit brutal! Is there a mix of long & short sectors, or do the short ones tend to be used for training flights? Is 800 hrs pa being achieved? Lastly, how many hours approximately, Summer vs Winter? TIA.

[Paddingtonbear]

5/2 is an improvement on last year's 6/2. 5/2 on the new FPR is rare.

You'll work most weekends and have the odd one off. That said, I think it's better than the deal up the road.

Summer expect to be doing 85 hours a month. Last winter was much quieter than previous winters. I reckon 45 hours a month Nov-Apr is about right. Things are certainly more stable than this time last year as I believe we're more appropriately crewed.

It's a seniority based bidding system (with an element of manual intervention to maximise productivity - albeit an element vastly less than last year) so all the time you're junior you'll effectively end up flying all the routes/times that nobody else wants.

Pay still falls behind the competition but all in all it's not a bad place to be.

[737 Jockey]

Thank you, that’s very helpful 👍🏼

[Bringingownfood]

How is captain roster comparinf to other low costs?

Any ex RYR Skippers on BA Euroflyer?

How many 4 sectors expected per block?

Any night flights? How many Stby days per block and how often you got called?

A pm would be appriciated.

Thanks.

[Fwds40]

Hi,

Could anyone shed any light on how long the wait in the hold pool is for a EF DEP at the moment?

Thanks!

[nickler]

A former colleague is interested as DEC; do they sponsor the visa for non UK residents?

Thanks

[The Foss]

Originally Posted by Bringingownfood

How is captain roster comparinf to other low costs?

Any ex RYR Skippers on BA Euroflyer?

How many 4 sectors expected per block?

Any night flights? How many Stby days per block and how often you got called?

A pm would be appriciated.

Thanks.

It wouldn’t allow me to PM you - I think you need to make more posts first.