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Old 14th Jan 2023, 16:48
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And I thought the £600 for a day off payment at easyjet wasnít greatÖ

Agreed about getting your point on the MSL. If I were LGW based at easy in my mid 30ís.. Iíd be very tempted by DEC. Unfortunately Iím only one of those things.
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Old 15th Jan 2023, 07:22
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Theyíre now advertising on LinkedIn for non rated DEC. I guess people donít consider the package competitive.
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Old 15th Jan 2023, 09:23
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And theyíd be right. Even after the latest (negligible) pay rises youíre starting off almost £30k behind an EasyJet skipper from day 1, who operate next door as a much bigger and more secure operation. Loyalty bonuses at Easy roughly match the increments at Euroflyer so for the first 12 years your pay wonít even begin to catch up.

BA are once again showing their arrogance in assuming their MSL carries more weight than it does. Most significantly, theyíve shown their true colours during covid and how they simply canít be trusted. Theyíd sell Euroflyer to the highest bidder in a heartbeat if the conditions suited them.

Grass is always greener of course, Iíve fallen into that trap. Some will place greater value than others on having the ability to move fleets.

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Old 15th Jan 2023, 10:12
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And theyíd be right. Even after the latest (negligible) pay rises youíre starting off almost £30k behind an EasyJet skipper from day 1, who operate next door as a much bigger and secure operation. Loyalty bonuses at Easy roughly match the increments at Euroflyer so for the first 12 years your pay wonít even begin to catch up.

BA are once again showing their arrogance in assuming their MSL carries more weight than it does. Most significantly, theyíve shown their true colours during covid and how they simply canít be trusted. Theyíd sell Euroflyer to the highest bidder in a heartbeat if the conditions suited them.

Grass is always greener of course, Iíve fallen into that trap. Some will place greater value on having the ability to move fleets than others.
Anybody wanting to join BA as a DEP but meets the requirements for the non-type rated DEC at EF will surely take that option? During the time you would have been earning a FO salary at BA, youíd be earning more (yes, less than EZY skipper) but potentially have the chance to move across to LHR at some stage in the future should the opportunity arise. (I know, I know)

As youíve mentioned, has itís associated risks but for someone in their late 20ís to early 30ís, operating elsewhere as a skipper, this looks like a great opportunity?
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Old 15th Jan 2023, 10:44
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Indeed. The prospect of starting off as junior SH trash on below market pay, coveting the prospect of maybe in 6 years time, moving on to being LH junior trash... isn't much of a selling point in my book.
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Old 15th Jan 2023, 14:30
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Originally Posted by RPat01 View Post
Anybody wanting to join BA as a DEP but meets the requirements for the non-type rated DEC at EF will surely take that option? During the time you would have been earning a FO salary at BA, youíd be earning more (yes, less than EZY skipper) but potentially have the chance to move across to LHR at some stage in the future should the opportunity arise. (I know, I know)
2 great points.
If you are after money and fixed pattern roster and don't care so much about going LH later on then go EZY and enjoy!

If you were going to join BA as a SH DEP anyway, then you'll make more money and have more nights in your own bed as a DEC at BAEF while you wait for your number to come up. At the cost of a bit of job security until you get your LHR contract.

BA has taken the micky somewhat with this contract. The market will decide if they've gone too far.
we are all in unique situations, if you're lucky enough to have the choice, make your own decision on the merits of each.

I'm personally junior trash at LHR on a LH fleet and love it. If i was offered SH FO at LHR or DEC at BAEF I'd choose the latter.
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Old 15th Jan 2023, 16:30
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Originally Posted by White Van Driver View Post
2 great points.
If you are after money and fixed pattern roster and don't care so much about going LH later on then go EZY and enjoy!

If you were going to join BA as a SH DEP anyway, then you'll make more money and have more nights in your own bed as a DEC at BAEF while you wait for your number to come up. At the cost of a bit of job security until you get your LHR contract.

BA has taken the micky somewhat with this contract. The market will decide if they've gone too far.
we are all in unique situations, if you're lucky enough to have the choice, make your own decision on the merits of each.

I'm personally junior trash at LHR on a LH fleet and love it. If i was offered SH FO at LHR or DEC at BAEF I'd choose the latter.
Interesting last point. SH FO at LHR is pretty good pay from what I have seen. £20k off LHS BAEF. Ok you are away more so spending down route but once you start earning over £100k you lose loads of benefits from a tax perspective. Tax free allowance, 30 hrs free child care plus few other things. Better to be earning £130k or more £100-£120k is the worst bracket to be in.

But agree everyone situation is different. Speak with a friend recently who has gone for both at BA. They satisfy DEC at EF but they are closer to LHR commute wise. Another thing to consider.
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Old 19th Jan 2023, 18:52
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While things have improved hugely at the pointy end, roster is pretty good at the moment, and canít complain about the salary, life has certainly improved. But I and many other BAEF drivers canít help but feel angry at the huge gap between the management of FD and CC.
Flying with genuinely miserable CC everyday is certainly draining. Flying ridiculous rosters, being charged for cleaning (thatís right, money deducted from their salary for having cabin cleaning on turnaround), having crying crew members in the office, itís not a great environment right now and needs fixing sharpish. With no management in the office, the work of ďdealingĒ with these issues falls to those with the stripey shoulders.
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Old 21st Jan 2023, 10:54
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Anything interesting to report back from the EF roadshow Thursday? Couldnít make it due to work commitments unfortunately. TIA
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Old 25th Jan 2023, 20:23
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Hi Folks,

could anyone share some feedback on whatís coming up at the assessment day of the EF assessment, via this or even PM.

Appreciate any help in advance and best of luck to those applying.
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Old 25th Jan 2023, 21:27
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Originally Posted by Moonraker4 View Post
Hi Folks,

could anyone share some feedback on whatís coming up at the assessment day of the EF assessment, via this or even PM.

Appreciate any help in advance and best of luck to those applying.

Have you been invited already then? Which position? Cheers.
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Old 25th Jan 2023, 22:27
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Have you been invited already then? Which position? Cheers.
Assessment mid feb. NTR FO. Cheers.
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Old 26th Jan 2023, 09:14
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Cheers, good luck!

Were there essay style questions to complete during your online application, or just CV upload? Usually are for BA, but I couldn’t see any. Applied as DEC NTR.
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Old 29th Jan 2023, 20:45
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Does anybody have any information on the holdpool time, specifically for the NTR DECís? I presume priority is given to TR candidates?
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Old 31st Jan 2023, 07:19
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BA EF Rostering - First Officer

Hi All,

Iím just seeking so more information on the rostering at BAEF, in particular JSS, for junior FOís. Really trying to get an understanding of what Iím getting myself in to - would really appreciate someone providing a run down or example of current BAEF roster.

With this in mind, Iím trying to understand the SH lifestyle with BAEF having previously flown a mix of UK/EU 2 and 4 sector days without night stops.

Thanks!
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Old 19th Feb 2023, 08:55
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Originally Posted by mplpilot View Post
Hi All,

Iím just seeking so more information on the rostering at BAEF, in particular JSS, for junior FOís. Really trying to get an understanding of what Iím getting myself in to - would really appreciate someone providing a run down or example of current BAEF roster.

With this in mind, Iím trying to understand the SH lifestyle with BAEF having previously flown a mix of UK/EU 2 and 4 sector days without night stops.

Thanks!
Prepare for 6 days on 2 days offÖ Also being bottom of the seniority forget about ever having a weekend off. Lots of 6 day blocks that start with earlies and end with lates too.. Iíve worked for a few airlines and itís by far the worst roster Iíve had and itís not even summer yet. One positive is that it does tend to be mostly 2 sector days.
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Old 20th Feb 2023, 13:50
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Does anyone have any information for the assessment day? I'm a NTR FO with the assessment soon. Thanks!
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Old 20th Feb 2023, 16:10
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Itís all in the posts above. Apparently itís standard BA mainline assessment which is now minus the maths/verbal reasoning. Happy to be corrected.
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Old 21st Feb 2023, 12:35
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NTR DEC

Have any NTR DEC applicants had any feedback after their initial application yet?
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Old 21st Feb 2023, 14:17
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Have any NTR DEC applicants had any feedback after their initial application yet?

Nothing other than the acknowledgement email. I do know one chap (also NTR) who received a PFO a couple of weeks ago. No news is good news? 😬
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