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And I thought the £600 for a day off payment at easyjet wasn’t great…
Agreed about getting your point on the MSL. If I were LGW based at easy in my mid 30’s.. I’d be very tempted by DEC. Unfortunately I’m only one of those things.
Agreed about getting your point on the MSL. If I were LGW based at easy in my mid 30’s.. I’d be very tempted by DEC. Unfortunately I’m only one of those things.
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And they’d be right. Even after the latest (negligible) pay rises you’re starting off almost £30k behind an EasyJet skipper from day 1, who operate next door as a much bigger and more secure operation. Loyalty bonuses at Easy roughly match the increments at Euroflyer so for the first 12 years your pay won’t even begin to catch up.
BA are once again showing their arrogance in assuming their MSL carries more weight than it does. Most significantly, they’ve shown their true colours during covid and how they simply can’t be trusted. They’d sell Euroflyer to the highest bidder in a heartbeat if the conditions suited them.
Grass is always greener of course, I’ve fallen into that trap. Some will place greater value than others on having the ability to move fleets.
BA are once again showing their arrogance in assuming their MSL carries more weight than it does. Most significantly, they’ve shown their true colours during covid and how they simply can’t be trusted. They’d sell Euroflyer to the highest bidder in a heartbeat if the conditions suited them.
Grass is always greener of course, I’ve fallen into that trap. Some will place greater value than others on having the ability to move fleets.
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Originally Posted by FACoff
And they’d be right. Even after the latest (negligible) pay rises you’re starting off almost £30k behind an EasyJet skipper from day 1, who operate next door as a much bigger and secure operation. Loyalty bonuses at Easy roughly match the increments at Euroflyer so for the first 12 years your pay won’t even begin to catch up.
BA are once again showing their arrogance in assuming their MSL carries more weight than it does. Most significantly, they’ve shown their true colours during covid and how they simply can’t be trusted. They’d sell Euroflyer to the highest bidder in a heartbeat if the conditions suited them.
Grass is always greener of course, I’ve fallen into that trap. Some will place greater value on having the ability to move fleets than others.
BA are once again showing their arrogance in assuming their MSL carries more weight than it does. Most significantly, they’ve shown their true colours during covid and how they simply can’t be trusted. They’d sell Euroflyer to the highest bidder in a heartbeat if the conditions suited them.
Grass is always greener of course, I’ve fallen into that trap. Some will place greater value on having the ability to move fleets than others.
As you’ve mentioned, has it’s associated risks but for someone in their late 20’s to early 30’s, operating elsewhere as a skipper, this looks like a great opportunity?
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Indeed. The prospect of starting off as junior SH trash on below market pay, coveting the prospect of maybe in 6 years time, moving on to being LH junior trash... isn't much of a selling point in my book.
Originally Posted by RPat01
Anybody wanting to join BA as a DEP but meets the requirements for the non-type rated DEC at EF will surely take that option? During the time you would have been earning a FO salary at BA, you’d be earning more (yes, less than EZY skipper) but potentially have the chance to move across to LHR at some stage in the future should the opportunity arise. (I know, I know)
If you are after money and fixed pattern roster and don't care so much about going LH later on then go EZY and enjoy!
If you were going to join BA as a SH DEP anyway, then you'll make more money and have more nights in your own bed as a DEC at BAEF while you wait for your number to come up. At the cost of a bit of job security until you get your LHR contract.
BA has taken the micky somewhat with this contract. The market will decide if they've gone too far.
we are all in unique situations, if you're lucky enough to have the choice, make your own decision on the merits of each.
I'm personally junior trash at LHR on a LH fleet and love it. If i was offered SH FO at LHR or DEC at BAEF I'd choose the latter.
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Originally Posted by White Van Driver
2 great points.
If you are after money and fixed pattern roster and don't care so much about going LH later on then go EZY and enjoy!
If you were going to join BA as a SH DEP anyway, then you'll make more money and have more nights in your own bed as a DEC at BAEF while you wait for your number to come up. At the cost of a bit of job security until you get your LHR contract.
BA has taken the micky somewhat with this contract. The market will decide if they've gone too far.
we are all in unique situations, if you're lucky enough to have the choice, make your own decision on the merits of each.
I'm personally junior trash at LHR on a LH fleet and love it. If i was offered SH FO at LHR or DEC at BAEF I'd choose the latter.
If you are after money and fixed pattern roster and don't care so much about going LH later on then go EZY and enjoy!
If you were going to join BA as a SH DEP anyway, then you'll make more money and have more nights in your own bed as a DEC at BAEF while you wait for your number to come up. At the cost of a bit of job security until you get your LHR contract.
BA has taken the micky somewhat with this contract. The market will decide if they've gone too far.
we are all in unique situations, if you're lucky enough to have the choice, make your own decision on the merits of each.
I'm personally junior trash at LHR on a LH fleet and love it. If i was offered SH FO at LHR or DEC at BAEF I'd choose the latter.
But agree everyone situation is different. Speak with a friend recently who has gone for both at BA. They satisfy DEC at EF but they are closer to LHR commute wise. Another thing to consider.
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While things have improved hugely at the pointy end, roster is pretty good at the moment, and can’t complain about the salary, life has certainly improved. But I and many other BAEF drivers can’t help but feel angry at the huge gap between the management of FD and CC.
Flying with genuinely miserable CC everyday is certainly draining. Flying ridiculous rosters, being charged for cleaning (that’s right, money deducted from their salary for having cabin cleaning on turnaround), having crying crew members in the office, it’s not a great environment right now and needs fixing sharpish. With no management in the office, the work of “dealing” with these issues falls to those with the stripey shoulders.
Flying with genuinely miserable CC everyday is certainly draining. Flying ridiculous rosters, being charged for cleaning (that’s right, money deducted from their salary for having cabin cleaning on turnaround), having crying crew members in the office, it’s not a great environment right now and needs fixing sharpish. With no management in the office, the work of “dealing” with these issues falls to those with the stripey shoulders.
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Hi Folks,
could anyone share some feedback on what’s coming up at the assessment day of the EF assessment, via this or even PM.
Appreciate any help in advance and best of luck to those applying.
could anyone share some feedback on what’s coming up at the assessment day of the EF assessment, via this or even PM.
Appreciate any help in advance and best of luck to those applying.
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Originally Posted by Moonraker4
Hi Folks,
could anyone share some feedback on what’s coming up at the assessment day of the EF assessment, via this or even PM.
Appreciate any help in advance and best of luck to those applying.
could anyone share some feedback on what’s coming up at the assessment day of the EF assessment, via this or even PM.
Appreciate any help in advance and best of luck to those applying.
Have you been invited already then? Which position? Cheers.
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Cheers, good luck!
Were there essay style questions to complete during your online application, or just CV upload? Usually are for BA, but I couldn’t see any. Applied as DEC NTR.
Were there essay style questions to complete during your online application, or just CV upload? Usually are for BA, but I couldn’t see any. Applied as DEC NTR.
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BA EF Rostering - First Officer
Hi All,
I’m just seeking so more information on the rostering at BAEF, in particular JSS, for junior FO’s. Really trying to get an understanding of what I’m getting myself in to - would really appreciate someone providing a run down or example of current BAEF roster.
With this in mind, I’m trying to understand the SH lifestyle with BAEF having previously flown a mix of UK/EU 2 and 4 sector days without night stops.
Thanks!
I’m just seeking so more information on the rostering at BAEF, in particular JSS, for junior FO’s. Really trying to get an understanding of what I’m getting myself in to - would really appreciate someone providing a run down or example of current BAEF roster.
With this in mind, I’m trying to understand the SH lifestyle with BAEF having previously flown a mix of UK/EU 2 and 4 sector days without night stops.
Thanks!
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Originally Posted by mplpilot
Hi All,
I’m just seeking so more information on the rostering at BAEF, in particular JSS, for junior FO’s. Really trying to get an understanding of what I’m getting myself in to - would really appreciate someone providing a run down or example of current BAEF roster.
With this in mind, I’m trying to understand the SH lifestyle with BAEF having previously flown a mix of UK/EU 2 and 4 sector days without night stops.
Thanks!
I’m just seeking so more information on the rostering at BAEF, in particular JSS, for junior FO’s. Really trying to get an understanding of what I’m getting myself in to - would really appreciate someone providing a run down or example of current BAEF roster.
With this in mind, I’m trying to understand the SH lifestyle with BAEF having previously flown a mix of UK/EU 2 and 4 sector days without night stops.
Thanks!
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Originally Posted by RPat01
Have any NTR DEC applicants had any feedback after their initial application yet?
Nothing other than the acknowledgement email. I do know one chap (also NTR) who received a PFO a couple of weeks ago. No news is good news? 😬
