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Hi,
This may have been asked before, but what is the actual remuneration for DEC in Euroflyer in pounds, shillings and pence? I had a look at PPJN but I am not sure if that is accurate.
Thank you, just considering a few options at the moment.
This may have been asked before, but what is the actual remuneration for DEC in Euroflyer in pounds, shillings and pence? I had a look at PPJN but I am not sure if that is accurate.
Thank you, just considering a few options at the moment.
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£106,852/yr basic. Then take 6%/15.6% pension.
increases £1687/yr for 12 pay points
£2.93/hr subsistance fully taxable
£27.04/hr flight pay
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pension appears to be different on latest BAEF DEC ad…. Enrolled at 2% employee contributions and 7% employer with an option to increase. ??
Also, confirmation of a fixed roster for pilots at BAEF from November. Anyone care to share what the pattern will be? TIA
Last edited by 737 Jockey; 5th September 2024 at 16:56.
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I think it’s worded fairly poorly on the website. 2% employee 7% employer is what you get enrolled on automatically at BA, but if you increase your contribution to 6% you’ll get the full 15% from the company. Not sure why they wouldn’t make that point clear as it’s one of the main benefits!
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Does anyone have any information on pay structure at Euroflyer?
There's been some mention of Subsistence Pay, Flying Pay, Holiday Pay, WDO/RDW Pay and Per Diems - does anyone have any idea how they are paid? The Bases seem awfully low for DEC and trying to do the maths on it.
Also some references to the famous Fixed Pattern - what's it going to be?
There's been some mention of Subsistence Pay, Flying Pay, Holiday Pay, WDO/RDW Pay and Per Diems - does anyone have any idea how they are paid? The Bases seem awfully low for DEC and trying to do the maths on it.
Also some references to the famous Fixed Pattern - what's it going to be?
Last edited by FullyFullyReady; 14th September 2024 at 07:58. Reason: Clarified question
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From: UK
Does anyone have any information on pay structure at Euroflyer?
There's been some mention of Subsistence Pay, Flying Pay, Holiday Pay, WDO/RDW Pay and Per Diems - does anyone have any idea how they are paid? The Bases seem awfully low for DEC and trying to do the maths on it.
Also some references to the famous Fixed Pattern. What is in store in November?
There's been some mention of Subsistence Pay, Flying Pay, Holiday Pay, WDO/RDW Pay and Per Diems - does anyone have any idea how they are paid? The Bases seem awfully low for DEC and trying to do the maths on it.
Also some references to the famous Fixed Pattern. What is in store in November?
103.7k Basic + 1.6k per year to 12 years. Pension 6%/15.6% on basic.
26.25/hr flight pay
26.25 holiday pay (per day?)
2.84/duty hr subsistance.
551 payment for working day off. x1.2 for weekend
Goes up by 3% on 1st Jan.
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What is staff retention like? Presumably most move to mainline ASAP (if that's how it works)?
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Thanks WBV, know you posted earlier but checking if anything had changed. The flight pay, is that per Block Hour I guess, as opposed to Duty Hour or Time Away From Base?
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UKcrowpilot, im genuinely interested where you can get more than that as an SFO in the uk... I'm an SFO with BA longhaul and I'm well below those figures!
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Those numbers are current. Yes flight pay is per block hour (I think it's planned block hour but don't quote me) and subsistance is time away from base.
UKcrowpilot, im genuinely interested where you can get more than that as an SFO in the uk... I'm an SFO with BA longhaul and I'm well below those figures!
UKcrowpilot, im genuinely interested where you can get more than that as an SFO in the uk... I'm an SFO with BA longhaul and I'm well below those figures!
It seems 30-40k down on what LHS are commanding in most airlines in the UK. It's just a shame really - I'm just hoping the US/ME salaries will cause enough pilot demand in the UK to push everything up..... eventually..... maybe..... hopefully!
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Those numbers are current. Yes flight pay is per block hour (I think it's planned block hour but don't quote me) and subsistance is time away from base.
UKcrowpilot, im genuinely interested where you can get more than that as an SFO in the uk... I'm an SFO with BA longhaul and I'm well below those figures!
UKcrowpilot, im genuinely interested where you can get more than that as an SFO in the uk... I'm an SFO with BA longhaul and I'm well below those figures!
Im only year 2 SH and won’t be far off LHS Euroflyer numbers come April.
excluding pension obviously.
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I'm PP6 LH at around 800hrs flight pay and 2400hrs tafb for the year. 84,663 + 800x18 + 2400x4.86 = 110.7k
If you are PP2 SH I'd imagine something like
73,247 + 800x18 + 2000x4.86 = 97.4k
Do the numbers you are working with include a bit of overtime? I've compared basic contracts here to keep ot as apples-to-apples as possible. Anything else I've missed?
Also for clarity, I'm really not saying anything is a good or a bad deal here. I just believe that knowing the details helps ppruners make informed decisions before signing a contract.
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I can't recall what the engagement freeze is at BAEF but at mainline it's 5 years. I believe in years past they've held gatwick pilots there due to shortage of crew but it remains to be seen under this new iteration as they are still in the engagement freeze so no-one has done it.
In terms of moving to LHR on A320, seniority wise you could have command there straight away under last years bid result, but again I presume a move is not permitted until engagement freeze is done. Also be mindful that it's less money up at LHR... as a comparison to what I had above LHR PP1 A320 capt is around
95,081 + 800x18 + 2000x4.86 = 119.2k
So even of they let you go straight up to LHR you'd be on around 9k less (this would wash out over time as the pay progression is £1k per year quicker at LHR than LGW).
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Yep. Y1 BAEF DEC at 800hrs and say 1200hrs tafb would be 103,700 + 800x26.25 + 1200x2.84 = 128.1k
I'm PP6 LH at around 800hrs flight pay and 2400hrs tafb for the year. 84,663 + 800x18 + 2400x4.86 = 110.7k
If you are PP2 SH I'd imagine something like
73,247 + 800x18 + 2000x4.86 = 97.4k
Do the numbers you are working with include a bit of overtime? I've compared basic contracts here to keep ot as apples-to-apples as possible. Anything else I've missed?
Also for clarity, I'm really not saying anything is a good or a bad deal here. I just believe that knowing the details helps ppruners make informed decisions before signing a contract.
I'm PP6 LH at around 800hrs flight pay and 2400hrs tafb for the year. 84,663 + 800x18 + 2400x4.86 = 110.7k
If you are PP2 SH I'd imagine something like
73,247 + 800x18 + 2000x4.86 = 97.4k
Do the numbers you are working with include a bit of overtime? I've compared basic contracts here to keep ot as apples-to-apples as possible. Anything else I've missed?
Also for clarity, I'm really not saying anything is a good or a bad deal here. I just believe that knowing the details helps ppruners make informed decisions before signing a contract.
Ok I have included overtime. The way SH roster is planned I just pick up trips with higher credit on days I’m already working. Can get 5-10hr NCP a month just by doing this.
Difference between £110k and £128k is only £500 a month. You probably taking home the same or more with certain trips.
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Yes fair enough if you’re just working on basic contracts.
Ok I have included overtime. The way SH roster is planned I just pick up trips with higher credit on days I’m already working. Can get 5-10hr NCP a month just by doing this.
Difference between £110k and £128k is only £500 a month. You probably taking home the same or more with certain trips.
Ok I have included overtime. The way SH roster is planned I just pick up trips with higher credit on days I’m already working. Can get 5-10hr NCP a month just by doing this.
Difference between £110k and £128k is only £500 a month. You probably taking home the same or more with certain trips.
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If including overtime in the figures, it’s been available at BAEF pretty much every day for captains this summer. Rate has been 1.5x on weekdays and 2.0x on weekends which can get doubled again for reports before 6am or clearing after midnight if the adjacent day was also an OFF
The (slightly) higher pay at EF compared to the junior pay levels at Heathrow are a bit misleading. Compare your days off (10 at EF?) vs a Heathrow pilot (12-14?). Any Heathrow pilot working 2-4 days overtime would easily beat the take home of an EF skipper.
If you’re working harder for your salary, is it really a better salary?