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What I find with this discussions, is that people can’t beat the argument so resort to either name calling, or throwing words they don’t know what it means i.e. marxists, woke etc. Gets to a point you can’t defend your position without sounding incredibly ignorant of the subject matter.
Did they run out of pilots because of their recruitment profile? You don’t know that, fact. OR Could the exodus be due to how they acted during the pandemic? Were the issues attracting people due to lower salary and worse schedule, plus a smaller pool of candidates? Could be, we also don’t know that, fact. But now, let’s blame it on “woke”….
BA ran out of pilots, by the way. They also failed a number of people, because they can choose who they hire based on their profile. Also a fact.
TUI can’t hire and are losing people, most of the new hires are cadets, fact.
Easyjet too. Either beat the argument with a sound and honest point, or take a seat my friend.
The intellectual dishonesty is overwhelming on Pprune(that’s an opinion by the way), but to come here and blame an assessment failure on them being “woke” ? and for you to come and defend that point, is a new level of the privileged not taking accountability for their shortcomings. There are plenty of resources for self development and learning on the subject matter, he didn’t pass because he probably spent too much time in his conservative bubble and never bothered with the people most affected this.
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It’s not an opinion, it is a fact, they can choose who they hire based on standards they set. Emirates? They hire from a wider pool of pilots, whilst Virgin are limited to brits and EASA holders(new), majority of applicants to Emirates are from India, so you’re being disingenuous.
What I find with this discussions, is that people can’t beat the argument so resort to either name calling, or throwing words they don’t know what it means i.e. marxists, woke etc. Gets to a point you can’t defend your position without sounding incredibly ignorant of the subject matter.
Did they run out of pilots because of their recruitment profile? You don’t know that, fact. OR Could the exodus be due to how they acted during the pandemic? Were the issues attracting people due to lower salary and worse schedule, plus a smaller pool of candidates? Could be, we also don’t know that, fact. But now, let’s blame it on “woke”….
BA ran out of pilots, by the way. They also failed a number of people, because they can choose who they hire based on their profile. Also a fact.
TUI can’t hire and are losing people, most of the new hires are cadets, fact.
Easyjet too. Either beat the argument with a sound and honest point, or take a seat my friend.
The intellectual dishonesty is overwhelming on Pprune(that’s an opinion by the way), but to come here and blame an assessment failure on them being “woke” ? and for you to come and defend that point, is a new level of the privileged not taking accountability for their shortcomings. There are plenty of resources for self development and learning on the subject matter, he didn’t pass because he probably spent too much time in his conservative bubble and never bothered with the people most affected this.
What I find with this discussions, is that people can’t beat the argument so resort to either name calling, or throwing words they don’t know what it means i.e. marxists, woke etc. Gets to a point you can’t defend your position without sounding incredibly ignorant of the subject matter.
Did they run out of pilots because of their recruitment profile? You don’t know that, fact. OR Could the exodus be due to how they acted during the pandemic? Were the issues attracting people due to lower salary and worse schedule, plus a smaller pool of candidates? Could be, we also don’t know that, fact. But now, let’s blame it on “woke”….
BA ran out of pilots, by the way. They also failed a number of people, because they can choose who they hire based on their profile. Also a fact.
TUI can’t hire and are losing people, most of the new hires are cadets, fact.
Easyjet too. Either beat the argument with a sound and honest point, or take a seat my friend.
The intellectual dishonesty is overwhelming on Pprune(that’s an opinion by the way), but to come here and blame an assessment failure on them being “woke” ? and for you to come and defend that point, is a new level of the privileged not taking accountability for their shortcomings. There are plenty of resources for self development and learning on the subject matter, he didn’t pass because he probably spent too much time in his conservative bubble and never bothered with the people most affected this.
The previous posters can’t prove that VA struggle’s to hire because they are PERCEIVED to be woke. That’s a fact. There are a number of reasons. Emirates can hire from every country in the world, VA can’t so that’s also nonsense.
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Most people don't care about an airlines' wokery or green washing or whatever BS PR stunts they are attempting to pull at any particular time. However they do care about terms and conditions along with the company's commercial viability, hence why Virgin are struggling to recruit.
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Most people don't care about an airlines' wokery or green washing or whatever BS PR stunts they are attempting to pull at any particular time. However they do care about terms and conditions along with the company's commercial viability, hence why Virgin are struggling to recruit.
what they said , also how Virgin treated its staff during Covid was one of the worst .
The threat of a knee jerk reaction at the slightest whiff of a downturn.
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I do notice Raph, that YOU are the only one who is assuming citing wokism has negative connotations, and name calling. Re read the posts - for example, I merely said I was rejected for coming across as insufficiently woke and for applicants to pass, its an essential element which is assessed - no position on woke either way. You then launched into a bitter tirade, including calling this tory hating, centrist remainer a Gammon, and inadequate.Me thinks you doth protest too much!
I do however have a position on Virgin (only doing the assessment as a back up to a back up), because I'm pretty sure i would have hated it for a whole host of reasons, and days spent with colleagues like you would have felt very long indeed!
I do however have a position on Virgin (only doing the assessment as a back up to a back up), because I'm pretty sure i would have hated it for a whole host of reasons, and days spent with colleagues like you would have felt very long indeed!
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Most people don't care about an airlines' wokery or green washing or whatever BS PR stunts they are attempting to pull at any particular time. However they do care about terms and conditions along with the company's commercial viability, hence why Virgin are struggling to recruit.
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What fight?simply responded to idiocy, people are free to beat the argument. If they can’t, then it’s not on me. I stand for what I say, come here moan about them not hiring you because they are “woke”, is a lazy, anti-intellectual argument. Says more about the individual than the institution.
I do notice Raph, that YOU are the only one who is assuming citing wokism has negative connotations, and name calling. Re read the posts - for example, I merely said I was rejected for coming across as insufficiently woke and for applicants to pass, its an essential element which is assessed - no position on woke either way. You then launched into a bitter tirade, including calling this tory hating, centrist remainer a Gammon, and inadequate.Me thinks you doth protest too much!
I do however have a position on Virgin (only doing the assessment as a back up to a back up), because I'm pretty sure i would have hated it for a whole host of reasons, and days spent with colleagues like you would have felt very long indeed!
I do however have a position on Virgin (only doing the assessment as a back up to a back up), because I'm pretty sure i would have hated it for a whole host of reasons, and days spent with colleagues like you would have felt very long indeed!
Is that right? Yeah, go elsewhere then, the point is, don’t like it? Don’t apply. Case settled!
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Why because of the number of begging email and texts from crewing.
Add to that is the pay review which will most definitely be rejected as it will be insulting, that’s standard for virgin who still have yet to make any profits..
So yes if you planning to fly with them make sure you have a flexible hotel booking..
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Sim Assessment / Interview
Has anyone been in for the sim assessment and interview recently? I‘ve been invited and would appreciate a DM with some guidance on how the day went, thanks a lot!
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If it's still the fixed base in Crawley, then it's quite demanding, a devil to hand fly so don't worry, but I think they're assessing CRM mainly. Top bloke (or insert preferred pronoun) who runs it.
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Quite a few are going to Jet 2, DHL and Emirates, not just BA. Perhaps more in the process of interviewing else where.
Is it mainly for job security considering the financial position or how crew's are being treated by management or the training departments...
They have been offering positions to non rated Boeing & Airbus apparantly and rated who have not flown for several years but have hours.
Will they need to park any aircraft this summer?
Is it mainly for job security considering the financial position or how crew's are being treated by management or the training departments...
They have been offering positions to non rated Boeing & Airbus apparantly and rated who have not flown for several years but have hours.
Will they need to park any aircraft this summer?
Yes, most definitely.
Why because of the number of begging email and texts from crewing.
Add to that is the pay review which will most definitely be rejected as it will be insulting, that’s standard for virgin who still have yet to make any profits..
So yes if you planning to fly with them make sure you have a flexible hotel booking..
Why because of the number of begging email and texts from crewing.
Add to that is the pay review which will most definitely be rejected as it will be insulting, that’s standard for virgin who still have yet to make any profits..
So yes if you planning to fly with them make sure you have a flexible hotel booking..
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Quite a few are going to Jet 2, DHL and Emirates, not just BA. Perhaps more in the process of interviewing else where.
Is it mainly for job security considering the financial position or how crew's are being treated by management or the training departments...
They have been offering positions to non rated Boeing & Airbus apparantly and rated who have not flown for several years but have hours.
Will they need to park any aircraft this summer?
Is it mainly for job security considering the financial position or how crew's are being treated by management or the training departments...
They have been offering positions to non rated Boeing & Airbus apparantly and rated who have not flown for several years but have hours.
Will they need to park any aircraft this summer?
What’s the driving force… first you have to remember this isn’t Virgin Atlantic anymore.. it’s the new Virgin 2.0
The way they treated crews during COVID is one factor, the union reps negotiated most of the Airbus pilots out of a job to protect themselves. It’s left a lot of bitterness and resentment in the ranks. The chair of the union at the time is now the head of flight crew/ principal flight crew manager, so he’s done well with his creer out of it. And then to use the return path to remove all the PPU reps?? Dodgy to the max.
Then there is the lifestyle which is definitely not good enough now to offset the lower pay. Everyone is knackered, and that’s not safe. They are throwing overtime at people to work days off etc, but that’s like putting a band aid on a femoral artery..
And then you have the management who bully and target people who raise concerns. If you’re a yes man or someone that is prepared to look the other way at some point then you’ll do well at virgin 2.0. If not and you speak up then prepare to be targeted. They will use the training department to “fail” or hold you back from progression, they deny it but I know personally of several high quality sfo’s that I’ve flow with who have previous command time who “failed” for the most pathetic reasons.. read into that what you want, or better yet read the findings from Lawson vs virgin Atlantic…
And speaking of tribunal case, just look at all the tribunal cases they have stacking up? How much is that costing them? And for some very serious reasons as well ranging from unfair dismissal, constructive dismissal, discrimination and even sexual harassment I saw someone speaking about recently.
That’s not a good sign of happy work place?
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