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Wizz Air announces 1,000 redundancies as it cuts 19% of workforce

Old 21st Apr 2020, 14:44
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Can you elaborate? How is crew life?
I think nobody could complain about crew life if you did not need to commute, and you don't have any ties elsewhere. There are worse places to be based in the world than VNO

And before they got the Euro, life was pretty cheap there, and in the bars they did not measure the drinks like you do in the UK, and it was not hard to meet friendly locals.
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Old 22nd Apr 2020, 07:21
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OK, guys: I've read a few patent untruths here, that made me write this comment - and I almost always just lurk on PPRuNe.

WZZ is far from a perfect company, and I think we all agree that the salaries aren't what they should be and that confair contracts are a part of what's wrong with aviation today. That being said, it is not the devil incarnate that some guys here are making it out to be. As far as fatigue reports go, I don't know of a single time when someone got called into the office becuse of one. I use them myself, and will regularly file three to four a year, together with calling unfit to fly, after truly challenging duties coming at the tail end of a series of difficult duty days. I was always removed from the roster for the subsequent day with no questions asked, and the only time the fatigue team actually called me is a single time that they wanted to ask if they could use my report in fatigue training.
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Old 22nd Apr 2020, 09:16
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Originally Posted by Max Stryker View Post
OK, guys: I've read a few patent untruths here, that made me write this comment - and I almost always just lurk on PPRuNe.

WZZ is far from a perfect company, and I think we all agree that the salaries aren't what they should be and that confair contracts are a part of what's wrong with aviation today. That being said, it is not the devil incarnate that some guys here are making it out to be. As far as fatigue reports go, I don't know of a single time when someone got called into the office becuse of one. I use them myself, and will regularly file three to four a year, together with calling unfit to fly, after truly challenging duties coming at the tail end of a series of difficult duty days. I was always removed from the roster for the subsequent day with no questions asked, and the only time the fatigue team actually called me is a single time that they wanted to ask if they could use my report in fatigue training.
I agree we need to be objective here and do not deviate of the main threat. I never felt pressure from the company times that I called fatigue.

in other hand I think people is upset for the way that the company treat them at the end without reason, maybe wrong strategy by WIZZAIR or maybe correct... the time will say.

maybe the common sense it would be to take 2 months of reduction salaries and analyze the market for starting to fly in June like Ryanair did it. They would not close any door and keep their pilots ready to fly as soon as the market start to recover but they have been selfish in that way and maybe lot of pilots will find a job and never will return after the crisis finish.

time will say but for sure the strategy was completely opposite of Ryanair that always has been a mirror for WIZZ.
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Old 22nd Apr 2020, 09:51
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Originally Posted by Max Stryker View Post
OK, guys: I've read a few patent untruths here, that made me write this comment - and I almost always just lurk on PPRuNe.

WZZ is far from a perfect company, and I think we all agree that the salaries aren't what they should be and that confair contracts are a part of what's wrong with aviation today. That being said, it is not the devil incarnate that some guys here are making it out to be. As far as fatigue reports go, I don't know of a single time when someone got called into the office becuse of one. I use them myself, and will regularly file three to four a year, together with calling unfit to fly, after truly challenging duties coming at the tail end of a series of difficult duty days. I was always removed from the roster for the subsequent day with no questions asked, and the only time the fatigue team actually called me is a single time that they wanted to ask if they could use my report in fatigue training.
I would like to see the amount of fatigue reports Wizz pilots have filed, compared to other companies that have fatigue system protected and setup by the unions.
I think you will discover that the percentage of fatigue reports filed by Wizz air pilots will be very low in comparison, and the main reason for this will one or more of the following, loss of income (high sector pay), fear of management.

In all the years I was there I never saw anyone report fatigue. There is a reason for this.
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Old 22nd Apr 2020, 10:25
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Originally Posted by truckflyer View Post
I would like to see the amount of fatigue reports Wizz pilots have filed, compared to other companies that have fatigue system protected and setup by the unions.
I think you will discover that the percentage of fatigue reports filed by Wizz air pilots will be very low in comparison, and the main reason for this will one or more of the following, loss of income (high sector pay), fear of management.

In all the years I was there I never saw anyone report fatigue. There is a reason for this.
You are mixing up Wizzair with Ryanair.
I have made a few fatigue reports myself, and see collegues doing the same, with no consequences whatsoever.
In Ryanair on the other end thatís a guaranteed flight to Dublin
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Old 22nd Apr 2020, 10:34
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I agree we need to be objective here and do not deviate of the main threat. I never felt pressure from the company times that I called fatigue.

in other hand I think people is upset for the way that the company treat them at the end without reason, maybe wrong strategy by WIZZAIR or maybe correct... the time will say.

maybe the common sense it would be to take 2 months of reduction salaries and analyze the market for starting to fly in June like Ryanair did it. They would not close any door and keep their pilots ready to fly as soon as the market start to recover but they have been selfish in that way and maybe lot of pilots will find a job and never will return after the crisis finish.

time will say but for sure the strategy was completely opposite of Ryanair that always has been a mirror for WIZZ.
The majority of RYR pilots are only paid by the hour, I believe. No flying equals to no paycheck. Even when that month has been designated as contractual annual leave or when the pilot has reached the maximum hours per year at about mid-November.

Nobody knows when and how the COVID-19 havoc is going to end. Maybe some flights within the EU will be restored by July. Maybe it will be as bad as it is now until October. Maybe a fraction of the capacity will be restored for some weeks or months, only to be grounded again by a second wave in the autumn. With no end in sight, you can only keep people on any kind of salary for that long. And unpaid leave cannot go on for eternity either since in most states one cannot claim unemployment benefits while being on unpaid leave. So, as terrible as it is, what happened to everyone who lost their jobs last week wasn't exactly unexpected. We can only hope that things get sorted ASAP and the market starts recovering.
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Old 22nd Apr 2020, 11:30
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The majority of RYR pilots are only paid by the hour, I believe. No flying equals to no paycheck. Even when that month has been designated as contractual annual leave or when the pilot has reached the maximum hours per year at about mid-November.

Nobody knows when and how the COVID-19 havoc is going to end. Maybe some flights within the EU will be restored by July. Maybe it will be as bad as it is now until October. Maybe a fraction of the capacity will be restored for some weeks or months, only to be grounded again by a second wave in the autumn. With no end in sight, you can only keep people on any kind of salary for that long. And unpaid leave cannot go on for eternity either since in most states one cannot claim unemployment benefits while being on unpaid leave. So, as terrible as it is, what happened to everyone who lost their jobs last week wasn't exactly unexpected. We can only hope that things get sorted ASAP and the market starts recovering.
Ryanair local pilots have a basic salary. Exactly the same that in Wizzair
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Old 22nd Apr 2020, 17:55
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Gyus, let's not spread misinformation here.
First of all - the bonus for flying from OFF is currently around 60/100/200 EUR for FO/SFO/CPT respectively. So 150EUR for flying from off is nothing special.
Second - if you are on local contract, you get all the sick pays etc. as per the local law. So don't blame the company, blame the local NHS. If you're on Confair, YOU are responsible for paying taxes, health insurance etc. wherever you seem appropriate. So again, if you don't get a proper sick pay, blame either your NHS wherever you're paying taxes, or blame yourself for dodging payments. Also nobody forces anybody to go on Confair, you can always go local and get proper health insurance.

I'm not saying Wizz is perfect, far from it - but at least please get the facts straight.
Those figures you mention are before taxes...in the best scenario you be discounted around 40% in the worst up to 60%. Is just a miserable figure what is left after that. In local contract you DONíT get all sick leaves payed. I dont know in which country are you assigned but in Romania if you get sick on weekends the company directly doesnít pay you, plus if you get sick in week days you need to proof through a really complex procedure that you were sick, Dr. Certificate + conversion by the health house + wait for 2 weeks for that conversion + give to the BC + BC signature + send to payroll department...a nightmare.( I am in a base, with two airplanes in the north of the country ) My BC is well known for not sending those reports to the company because he is never in the office but playing golf in stead off. The same BC was Intimidating with calls and meetings in the office to pilots who called fatigued. So I can confirm that in a small base with 2-3 airplanes when people is calling fatigue it means to be on trouble.
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Old 23rd Apr 2020, 04:50
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Just to show why me and many have very little sympathy for the company.
A mate of mine in a base in Poland, who had been working there for a few years, suddenly his wife had a stroke, and was rushed to hospital as she was hanging on to her life.
The lack of sympathy shown by the BC and the company, was less than impressive. While he was in the ICU with his wife, they questioned if this situation was real or not, BC requesting him to come into the base with documentation, while he needed to be with his wives side, as this was obviously more important for normal people, but not for some at Wizz.

As he told me, the lazy BC could have taken the time to come to the hospital, and than he would have been able to see for himself what was going on. He was forced to use his leave days, and was being pressurized to come back to work ASP, not much compassion.

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Old 23rd Apr 2020, 05:17
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Originally Posted by FlexToga View Post
Those figures you mention are before taxes...in the best scenario you be discounted around 40% in the worst up to 60%.
Wrong. You forgot to take into account the country multiplier for the local contracts. So in the end you would only lose around 13%
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Old 23rd Apr 2020, 08:51
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Wrong. You forgot to take into account the country multiplier for the local contracts. So in the end you would only lose around 13%
I didnt forget to take into account the country multiplayer. The country multiplayer comes before taxes: In Romania the taxes to be deducted are fix to a 35% plus a Swiss taxation in my case of 20%. From 150 euros you are finally getting 100 miserable euros to fly for a day off. If that is a good deal for you, congratulations to fly cheap.
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Just to show why me and many have very little sympathy for the company.
A mate of mine in a base in Poland, who had been working there for a few years, suddenly his wife had a stroke, and was rushed to hospital as she was hanging on to her life.
The lack of sympathy shown by the BC and the company, was less than impressive. While he was in the ICU with his wife, they questioned if this situation was real or not, BC requesting him to come into the base with documentation, while he needed to be with his wives side, as this was obviously more important for normal people, but not for some at Wizz.

As he told me, the lazy BC could have taken the time to come to the hospital, and than he would have been able to see for himself what was going on. He was forced to use his leave days, and was being pressurized to come back to work ASP, not much compassion.
That BC is just a miserable person. But hey!, no surprise for the treatment received. A pilot who needed to go for Sim positioning from his base to Uk, WZZ forgot to book his ticket. OCC and logistics didn't help, so he ended up calling to BC to try to find a solution. The BC screamed at him badly menacing at him with a negative record affecting his upgrade if he was not buying his own ticket to go to the sim. The poor guy at the end needed to buy a 500 euros ticket. The company never reimbursed the money to him.
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I didnt forget to take into account the country multiplayer. The country multiplayer comes before taxes: In Romania the taxes to be deducted are fix to a 35% plus a Swiss taxation in my case of 20%. From 150 euros you are finally getting 100 miserable euros to fly for a day off. If that is a good deal for you, congratulations to fly cheap.
If you can show me where I said it was good money, be my guest.
But I just don't like false information to be spread by people who obviously have something personal against the company. If you're paying 20% of swiss taxes on top of the 35% in Romania, it means you're a Captain (single with no kids), not an FO or SFO who will pay maximum around 5% of swiss taxes. Why do you take the day off rate for SFOs then?
As for your congratulations to fly cheap, you fly/flew for Wizz, so you are definitely not in the position to say anything.
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If you can show me where I said it was good money, be my guest.
But I just don't like false information to be spread by people who obviously have something personal against the company. If you're paying 20% of swiss taxes on top of the 35% in Romania, it means you're a Captain (single with no kids), not an FO or SFO who will pay maximum around 5% of swiss taxes. Why do you take the day off rate for SFOs then?
As for your congratulations to fly cheap, you fly/flew for Wizz, so you are definitely not in the position to say anything.


You are trying to show how great is the payment for a day off, its giving the impression at least of that. False information where? I explained properly how you get the numbers. I donīt have anything against the company, I am just explaining how it is and how they work. If what we write is not pleasant is not because of us, it's because of the company itself. Secondly, you are writing as an example the compensation of an F/O or SFO to fly in a day off, you are kidding right?... ..their salaries are at the same level of someone working for TESCO as supermarket cashier or lower...if you don't take into account that they need to pay back an usurer amount of money for their type ratings. Is it false as well? is it something against the airline? No, those are facts. I would feel ashamed to put as an example the amount of money they get, mentioning they just get discounted just a 5%, otherwise they would not even be able to pay their rentals and bills ( some of them they were eating everyday the awful food given in the airplane, even taking them at home because they were simply short, when those meals have been rolling around the airplane for more than 8 hours at room at 25 degrees).Is it false as well? I would love to hear your answers regarding the information above. I worked in WZZ and luckily for very short time some years ago meanwhile I was finding something else, like everyone else who was not Hungarian, Polish or Romanian, and yes I am in the position to say anything regarding WZZ because those are the facts about how they treat their employees. By the way I never flew in a day off, as my phone for the airline was switched off in my non-duty days.

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Just to show why me and many have very little sympathy for the company.
A mate of mine in a base in Poland, who had been working there for a few years, suddenly his wife had a stroke, and was rushed to hospital as she was hanging on to her life.
The lack of sympathy shown by the BC and the company, was less than impressive. While he was in the ICU with his wife, they questioned if this situation was real or not, BC requesting him to come into the base with documentation, while he needed to be with his wives side, as this was obviously more important for normal people, but not for some at Wizz.

As he told me, the lazy BC could have taken the time to come to the hospital, and than he would have been able to see for himself what was going on. He was forced to use his leave days, and was being pressurized to come back to work ASP, not much compassion.
That is down to the individual BC.
I could tell you 5 stories of empathy and good treatment for every bad story you mention, but it would be a waste of time.

There are bad apples and bad managers in every company, not just Wizzair.

I have nothing but good things to say about the BC I had the chance to meet in Wizzair.

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Old 24th Apr 2020, 11:31
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You say: " Ryanair local pilots have a basic salary ,"
Not true!
There is still plenty of Contractors around.

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Some rumours suggest that London Luton, Timisoara and Vienna are about to partially reopen on May 1st. Couldn't find a confirmation of this on the Wizz air website though. Is it true or just wishful thinking?
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Some rumours suggest that London Luton, Timisoara and Vienna are about to partially reopen on May 1st. Couldn't find a confirmation of this on the Wizz air website though. Is it true or just wishful thinking?
have just got a push notification from their app, so it should be truth
but i've heard somewhere that Luton will be temporarily closed for some time and everything will be moved to Gatwick or smth
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someone working for TESCO as supermarket cashier or lower...
Reality check, to call spade a spade. The highest HDP per capita in CEE is in Prague, Czechia. Last time I passed around one of the LIDL there, a proud wall-sized advertisement announced for store staff. 35 hr week, no night stops or red-eyes.

1040 EUR gross.

795 net.

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You say: " Ryanair local pilots have a basic salary ,"
Not true!
There is still plenty of Contractors around.

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Cpt B. I know that there is contractors pilots in RYR. And the main difference is that they donít have base salary in comparasion with Irish contract pilots working in their network. All of pilots under Irish contract have base salary.

However in WIZZ all the contractors have base salary, thatís why in WIZZ most of the pilots fired of this 265 pilots has been CONFAIR. They donít have to pay anything and they donít have to deal with the jurisdiction of their countries. Around 142 out of 265 pilots fired has been CONFAIR contract (floating pilots or fix based). Thatís why these pilots has been easy to fire first and then the rest with local contracts.

Varadi said several times ďCash is KingĒ. Their priority is the Company and the liquity. And we have all to respect the management decitions. It is their company. And for the rest of people that still there they cannot complain. Nobody is pushing them, everybody decide about his life and if you think you are a slave, donít work for them instead of complaining. Business is business for them, they left very clear this time.

In the other hand we have if it has been ethic or not to fire 20% of your employees having a liquity of 1.6B, aircraft orders and a new company AOC in Abu Dhabi... but that is another history. And again we all must respect their decition or strategy even if we are not balanced regarding ethic part. Every human is different, every human has been educated different, and every person has different values on life.




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