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Old 3rd Nov 2019, 14:59
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Employment

Employed via agency, then contracted to Lauda. Fortunately no LTDs or other forms of self-employment like in RYR.
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Old 3rd Nov 2019, 16:26
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Im struggling to see any details for the DUB contract if anyone can help? What is their minimum P1 hours for DEC?

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Old 5th Nov 2019, 11:13
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Originally Posted by booze View Post
My thoughts exactly. When i lost my job back in March i didn't even look at Euroland: moved with the family to Asia for top dollar, and id travel. Work is still hard, though...
so funny here , to read negative comments.
But the truth is (what Booze does not even mention huh?) : to move in asia, first, you need experience. For a young pilot , Lauda seems great option. and a good steptone to move anywhere else then you want.
Many airlines, (emirates, asia, etc....) require at least hours on a plane more than 20t MTOM. To get this experience, the only way is to fly airbus or boeing at whatever cost.
Even if I was paid minimum wage on airbus I would run. Because that's the ONLY way to get experience and to bet for a better future.

Oh and by the way, I have been FI, really guys, you fly everyday, 5 to 6 hours, having 4 or 5 students each day, to repeat again and again the same boring stuff. You get really tired. No air conditioning on board, not enough room, small plane, and flying shitty hours that ailrines do not even take into consideration. THIS is hard work compared to any low cost, which is a piece of cake when you had known harder job before. Conclusion, stop seeing the glass half empty, and get to work, stop complaining. Work and move then. It is like politics, don't expect anything from them, just be pro active and make your own path.
My 2 cents.
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Old 5th Nov 2019, 11:50
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Originally Posted by stoneangel View Post
so funny here , to read negative comments.
But the truth is (what Booze does not even mention huh?) : to move in asia, first, you need experience. For a young pilot , Lauda seems great option. and a good steptone to move anywhere else then you want.
Many airlines, (emirates, asia, etc....) require at least hours on a plane more than 20t MTOM. To get this experience, the only way is to fly airbus or boeing at whatever cost.
Even if I was paid minimum wage on airbus I would run. Because that's the ONLY way to get experience and to bet for a better future.

Oh and by the way, I have been FI, really guys, you fly everyday, 5 to 6 hours, having 4 or 5 students each day, to repeat again and again the same boring stuff. You get really tired. No air conditioning on board, not enough room, small plane, and flying shitty hours that ailrines do not even take into consideration. THIS is hard work compared to any low cost, which is a piece of cake when you had known harder job before. Conclusion, stop seeing the glass half empty, and get to work, stop complaining. Work and move then. It is like politics, don't expect anything from them, just be pro active and make your own path.
My 2 cents.
mate i think you were supposed to post that on interview/job/sponsorship thread. This is for experienced pilots not ones looking for their first job.

Best of luck for the future and the whole growing up thing
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Old 5th Nov 2019, 12:23
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Originally Posted by stoneangel View Post
so funny here , to read negative comments.
But the truth is (what Booze does not even mention huh?) : to move in asia, first, you need experience. For a young pilot , Lauda seems great option. and a good steptone to move anywhere else then you want.
Many airlines, (emirates, asia, etc....) require at least hours on a plane more than 20t MTOM. To get this experience, the only way is to fly airbus or boeing at whatever cost.
Even if I was paid minimum wage on airbus I would run. Because that's the ONLY way to get experience and to bet for a better future.

Oh and by the way, I have been FI, really guys, you fly everyday, 5 to 6 hours, having 4 or 5 students each day, to repeat again and again the same boring stuff. You get really tired. No air conditioning on board, not enough room, small plane, and flying shitty hours that ailrines do not even take into consideration. THIS is hard work compared to any low cost, which is a piece of cake when you had known harder job before. Conclusion, stop seeing the glass half empty, and get to work, stop complaining. Work and move then. It is like politics, don't expect anything from them, just be pro active and make your own path.
My 2 cents.
I am a (not so much) young pilot and I totally disagree with your statement. Lauda is just another attempt to lower current and future T&C in Europe.
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Old 5th Nov 2019, 12:23
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Originally Posted by Thepirate View Post


mate i think you were supposed to post that on interview/job/sponsorship thread. This is for experienced pilots not ones looking for their first job.

Best of luck for the future and the whole growing up thing
sorry
ok thanks for the remark
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Old 7th Nov 2019, 21:25
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Originally Posted by Daily Dalaman Dave View Post
Im struggling to see any details for the DUB contract if anyone can help? What is their minimum P1 hours for DEC?

Thanks
  • Minimum 3,500 hours total flying time
  • Minimum of 2,000 hours on a Multi-crew, Multi-engine Jet aircraft weighing in excess of 30,000kg MTOW with an established airline, cargo operator or Military transport.
  • Minimum of 800 hours Pilot in Command (PIC) on a Multi-crew, Multi-engine jet aircraft weighing in excess of 30,000kg. (No PIC hours on Turboprop aircraft shall be considered).
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Old 9th Nov 2019, 15:06
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Did anyone receive any email for an interview in the last part of November? I applied at the end of July for the first officer position non Type-rated and I'm looking for some informations about the company and the assessment. Thank you!
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Old 14th Nov 2019, 20:26
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Originally Posted by bulldog89 View Post
I am a (not so much) young pilot and I totally disagree with your statement. Lauda is just another attempt to lower current and future T&C in Europe.
Spot on. Laudamotion is Ryanairs attempt to undercut its own conditions. Why should you have any trust in a a management that does not honor the collective agreement of their airline, puny as it may be, but rather chooses to hire contract pilots to evade their own collective agreement?
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Old 15th Nov 2019, 08:44
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Originally Posted by stoneangel View Post
so funny here , to read negative comments.
But the truth is (what Booze does not even mention huh?) : to move in asia, first, you need experience. For a young pilot , Lauda seems great option. and a good steptone to move anywhere else then you want.
Many airlines, (emirates, asia, etc....) require at least hours on a plane more than 20t MTOM. To get this experience, the only way is to fly airbus or boeing at whatever cost.
Even if I was paid minimum wage on airbus I would run. Because that's the ONLY way to get experience and to bet for a better future.

Oh and by the way, I have been FI, really guys, you fly everyday, 5 to 6 hours, having 4 or 5 students each day, to repeat again and again the same boring stuff. You get really tired. No air conditioning on board, not enough room, small plane, and flying shitty hours that ailrines do not even take into consideration. THIS is hard work compared to any low cost, which is a piece of cake when you had known harder job before. Conclusion, stop seeing the glass half empty, and get to work, stop complaining. Work and move then. It is like politics, don't expect anything from them, just be pro active and make your own path.
My 2 cents.
They are not negative comments but the truth. You complain FI job isnt easy and how the airline job is a piece of cake.
Unfortunately , it is because of people like you and the statement you just gave that airlines are able to exploit the pilots for lower conditions.

Seeing Ryanair or Lauda, or any Low cost operator as a gateway airline is just pure wrong. There shouldn’t be any difference. But there is, because people are willing to do anything to get that first job, and possibly fly for free ( judging by previous Pay to fly schemes when there was no jobs)

But from my experience, I see people like you that join, so so enthusiastic , positive, but then soon after they realise this is not what they hoped it was, so they soon turn to a negative side.. I see it every day of the week.. Endless moaning, but hey, they didnt think that when they signed up.. All they wanted to fly
When you do join one of those airlines, you will see for yourself, and especially how much easier FI job was.... Its not all pressing buttons and sitting in A/C environment
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Old 15th Nov 2019, 14:03
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Originally Posted by Citationcj2 View Post
But from my experience, I see people like you that join, so so enthusiastic , positive, but then soon after they realise this is not what they hoped it was, so they soon turn to a negative side.. I see it every day of the week.. Endless moaning, but hey, they didnt think that when they signed up.. All they wanted to fly
When you do join one of those airlines, you will see for yourself, and especially how much easier FI job was.... Its not all pressing buttons and sitting in A/C environment
That's precisely my observation too - the ones who fast-track themselves by parting with large sums of cash or accepting unattractive initial terms, and/or see the airline role as a tradable commodity to be bought and sold; - an instagrammable experience ... are the ones who before long, are bitterly whingeing - the "I've paid all this money into this job, now where's my payback" philosophy - well it doesn't work like that. (Edit, well actually it kind of does if you want it to - fast-tracking yourself into an AB or Boeing, pocketing 1000+ hours and poking off somewhere else - fine, but don't bloody whine to all who'll listen that you've been cheated - you got what you "paid" for).

That said, I hear there are some factors with joining Lauda which are much better than Ryanair, such as much fewer up front, out of pocket costs such as uniform, licensing etc etc, and of course a much more desirable Airbus rating As for the rest of the lauda contract, I don't know, but Vienna or Palma would beat kaunas in my book.

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Old 29th Nov 2019, 08:47
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Anyone as a actual figure for take home net pay in PMI for captains.The gross salary all included is advertised as 109.000 Euro for 70 hours month.
Anyone with real time experience?
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Old 29th Nov 2019, 09:53
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And you are seriously considering this kind of salary for a Captain flying an A320??

This is an insult in comparison to what captains make on the same type in the neighbouring airlines..
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Old 29th Nov 2019, 11:38
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Yeah but you know... its a great opportunity for low hours pilots, the network is great, people are friendly, you build experience, and it is shiny-pokky with digital dials man, and it is just for couple of years till a career move, and million over excuses... Anyway I guess it is a waste of time to try to convince people already going there.
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Old 30th Nov 2019, 05:14
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Originally Posted by Citationcj2 View Post


And you are seriously considering this kind of salary for a Captain flying an A320??

This is an insult in comparison to what captains make on the same type in the neighbouring airlines..
I' m not considering anything just curious to know how much that equates in terms of net salary in Spain. Anyone?
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Old 30th Nov 2019, 08:19
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Depends on many factors, also on where you actually pay your taxes, but in Spain with that sort of salary you'd be looking at around 40% tax, leaving you with around 65K net.
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Old 30th Nov 2019, 14:46
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The figure I' m given is the total of basic and flight pay for 70 hours . Is flight pay taxed as basic salary is ?
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Old 30th Nov 2019, 17:17
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Even if you're based in Spain Lauda will make you pay your taxes in Austria (where the tax rate is even higher, at 50%)
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Old 1st Dec 2019, 11:44
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No..not anymore..tax are paid in Spain..and the contract is now Spanish..
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Old 1st Dec 2019, 11:51
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Ok, then it's very new, because 1 month ago they assured me I would be paying taxes in Austria even with a Spanish base.
However the salary is still way too low...
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