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Old 12th Feb 2020, 06:55
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Originally Posted by triple_2 View Post
Guys really, I rarely post here but wanted to say that this is the worst contract Iíve seen in my 13 years in aviation. I did an assessment there and got a job offer, so finally I got to see the actual contract. Itís less money than advertised, less leave than advertised, they can send you wherever whenever without paying you any compensation. You are called a mobile transport worker in the contract. It says that youíre responsible for being current and so on, itís a piece of crap. When I said that they wanted to explain me the contract, they said everything will be not like this blablabla. In the end you sign that paper giving them the right to do whatever they want with you.

I made some phonecalls with people working there, everybody in Lauda tries to find another job.

Why Iím writing this: guys we have to unite and not accept this. Companies are doing this to us because we let them. We have to stand up and say no. This job can be the most beautiful job in the world but itís getting less every day. Itís time we do something.
I have the same first hand info and can only conclude the same. These contractual terms are the worst in the Western European pilot market for A320 pilots.
Unfortunately, even very high experienced rated Airbus pilots signed up for this crappy contract that is by the way only a 3 year contract containing all the horrific details mentioned before.
Why do pilots sign up:
1. Jobless after their airline went bust ( those ultra low cost companies just put the legacy charter companies out of business)
2. Desperate to get back on the Airbus or obtain an Airbus rating
3. fed up with living far from home and having a workplace close to home
4. fresh from flight school and just want to get that first airline job
5. Ryanair pilots affected by base closers in Germany and just told to f... off, go to 🇲🇦 Morocco or accept the crappy Lauda deal
6. ... you fill it in, plenty of other reasons out there

Just read the Austrian Aviation news articles about this outfit and you realise that it even makes flying dog shit in a cargo plane out of Hong Kong look attractive.
😬😉

either they bring back their collective labour agreements with the official unions back into the game or it is a lost case.
consider this. The original conditions originate from Niki where they were connected to Air Berlin. They were considered a very simplified spin off from what Air Berlin had as T&Cís and those originated at companies called LTU and DBA. The result from decades of collective bargaining.
Now Lauda, aka as the cheaper Ryanair, kills those already low T&Cís to a level that it makes the Pilot Profession to an ordinary low cost Flix bus driver.

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Old 12th Feb 2020, 09:53
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Originally Posted by safelife View Post
Condor are recruiting massively, being A320 type rated you're almost hired.
Applied 2 1/2 weeks ago via career.aero, meeting all their requirements but no reaction yet by condor.
I keep you posted in case anything happens.
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Old 12th Feb 2020, 12:01
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Out of interest how do these conditions compare to wizz air?
ryanair and co. are brutal employers but as we saw last year they are not invulnerable to industrial action.
at the end of the day we have them by the balls, planes donít fly if we donít fly them. All it takes is a bit of solidarity.
We can only blame ourselves for these conditions, when they are accepted by people (not judging you have to pay the bills) and by colleges in sister airlines (how safe do you think your job is when someone is doing the same job cheaper) it becomes the market rate.

time for european unions to show some leadership for their members and work together
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Old 12th Feb 2020, 15:10
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Originally Posted by Thepirate View Post
Out of interest how do these conditions compare to wizz air?
ryanair and co. are brutal employers but as we saw last year they are not invulnerable to industrial action.
at the end of the day we have them by the balls, planes donít fly if we donít fly them. All it takes is a bit of solidarity.
We can only blame ourselves for these conditions, when they are accepted by people (not judging you have to pay the bills) and by colleges in sister airlines (how safe do you think your job is when someone is doing the same job cheaper) it becomes the market rate.

time for european unions to show some leadership for their members and work together
It really depends. If you compare Wizz VIE base versus Lauda VIE, Wizz is definitely the better gig if we talk about fixed contract, nett salaries for experienced A320 newcomers and roster options. But a new comer wonít get a VIE base in Wizz these days.
If you are going to compare other bases or gross salaries we might have a different conclusion.
Too many variables, different taxation rules, social contributions, multipliers etc...
but this is the Lauda threat. Lauda makes Wizz look like a great (-er)company.

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Old 12th Feb 2020, 18:57
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Originally Posted by sonicbum View Post
Maybe he knows enough to speak up ?
Is anyone talking to you?
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Old 12th Feb 2020, 22:11
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Obviously only of use to those who want to be UK based but Jet2 are recruiting A320 crew and offer vastly superior terms than these crooks for half the work, £120-130 k for a Captain for 500 hrs a year (higher level includes the bonus that is applicable in the second year)
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Old 13th Feb 2020, 08:00
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Originally Posted by Whitemonk Returns View Post
Obviously only of use to those who want to be UK based but Jet2 are recruiting A320 crew and offer vastly superior terms than these crooks for half the work, £120-130 k for a Captain for 500 hrs a year (higher level includes the bonus that is applicable in the second year)
Unfortunately A321, not A320. Anyway they don't provide any information about their requirements despite "min. 500 hrs flown on A321".
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Old 13th Feb 2020, 09:04
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An A321 type rating is the same as an A320 one, and in plain English on the website it states 1000 hrs on type for Captain and 500 for FO...
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Old 13th Feb 2020, 11:39
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I've received a brochure informing a potential Ä128k total remuneration for a 8 months contract for captains. It doesn't seem to be bad. Is it an improvement in T/C or there is something I can't see?
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Old 14th Feb 2020, 04:53
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Originally Posted by Maxymus3 View Post
Applied 2 1/2 weeks ago via career.aero, meeting all their requirements but no reaction yet by condor.
I keep you posted in case anything happens.
Checked that one for you and got the info that interpersonal has put all recruitment for Condor on hold, except those already invited.
Reason given is they won't be recruiting for them in the future, as LOT is going to do that from Warszaw.
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Old 14th Feb 2020, 08:08
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Originally Posted by safelife View Post
Checked that one for you and got the info that interpersonal has put all recruitment for Condor on hold, except those already invited.
Reason given is they won't be recruiting for them in the future, as LOT is going to do that from Warszaw.
Thanks for the intel safelie - thats quite unfortunate. I got in touch with interpersonal to get an update regarding the current status of the application, and what they recommend to do in case they already have stopped recruiting for condor. As far as i'm concerned interpersonal is still the single point of contact when it comes to German based Condor vacancies. So whom to contact instead? Hmm
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Old 14th Feb 2020, 09:43
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Originally Posted by randon View Post
I've received a brochure informing a potential Ä128k total remuneration for a 8 months contract for captains. It doesn't seem to be bad. Is it an improvement in T/C or there is something I can't see?

this is exactly what theyíre doing, they make brochures but itís not what will be in your contract, I just experienced this.
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Old 14th Feb 2020, 17:48
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Interpersonal

Just be aware that Interpersonal does not look at your personal result in the one and only test they have. They just look at the avarage result of the last 1000 persons they tested (regardless if FO or CPT) and then they compare it with your result. If you are below the avarage you failed the test.
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Old 16th Feb 2020, 03:19
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It's an 'effin joke: avg. Capt net would work out around 3.5k pm... Wizz Fo-s make more than that.
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Old 16th Feb 2020, 19:13
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Originally Posted by triple_2 View Post
this is exactly what theyíre doing, they make brochures but itís not what will be in your contract, I just experienced this.
Is this outfit linked to the outfit that publicly claimed its captains earned 250kÄ during a recent industrial dispute, when in reality few captains saw even half of that salary? Or am I thinking of a different low cost group?
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Old 17th Feb 2020, 07:57
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Originally Posted by cumulustratus View Post
Is this outfit linked to the outfit that publicly claimed its captains earned 250kÄ during a recent industrial dispute, when in reality few captains saw even half of that salary? Or am I thinking of a different low cost group?
Indeed!

And youíll be surprised to hear how many people believed it!
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Old 17th Feb 2020, 11:05
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Originally Posted by safelife View Post
Checked that one for you and got the info that interpersonal has put all recruitment for Condor on hold, except those already invited.
Reason given is they won't be recruiting for them in the future, as LOT is going to do that from Warszaw.
Just got the PFO from Interpersonal regarding condor And i dont really know why.
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Old 17th Feb 2020, 12:28
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Has anybody heard anything from Lauda recently?
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Old 18th Feb 2020, 02:43
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Yes. Apparently they want to charge candidates for the assessment in the future. I guess that step has to be in place before the "bring-your-own-lube" assessments are about the start.
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Old 18th Feb 2020, 08:05
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Are You in AirItaly? Maybe try to ask in Milano MXP Novotel on tuesday 24th february 2020, there is an Ryanair group Pilot roadshow dedicated to AirItaly Pilots, A330, A320, B737.
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