Laudamotion
Join Date: Nov 2019
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Originally Posted by triple_2
Guys really, I rarely post here but wanted to say that this is the worst contract I’ve seen in my 13 years in aviation. I did an assessment there and got a job offer, so finally I got to see the actual contract. It’s less money than advertised, less leave than advertised, they can send you wherever whenever without paying you any compensation. You are called a mobile transport worker in the contract. It says that you’re responsible for being current and so on, it’s a piece of crap. When I said that they wanted to explain me the contract, they said everything will be not like this blablabla. In the end you sign that paper giving them the right to do whatever they want with you.
I made some phonecalls with people working there, everybody in Lauda tries to find another job.
Why I’m writing this: guys we have to unite and not accept this. Companies are doing this to us because we let them. We have to stand up and say no. This job can be the most beautiful job in the world but it’s getting less every day. It’s time we do something.
I made some phonecalls with people working there, everybody in Lauda tries to find another job.
Why I’m writing this: guys we have to unite and not accept this. Companies are doing this to us because we let them. We have to stand up and say no. This job can be the most beautiful job in the world but it’s getting less every day. It’s time we do something.
Unfortunately, even very high experienced rated Airbus pilots signed up for this crappy contract that is by the way only a 3 year contract containing all the horrific details mentioned before.
Why do pilots sign up:
1. Jobless after their airline went bust ( those ultra low cost companies just put the legacy charter companies out of business)
2. Desperate to get back on the Airbus or obtain an Airbus rating
3. fed up with living far from home and having a workplace close to home
4. fresh from flight school and just want to get that first airline job
5. Ryanair pilots affected by base closers in Germany and just told to f... off, go to 🇲🇦 Morocco or accept the crappy Lauda deal
6. ... you fill it in, plenty of other reasons out there
Just read the Austrian Aviation news articles about this outfit and you realise that it even makes flying dog shit in a cargo plane out of Hong Kong look attractive.
😬😉
either they bring back their collective labour agreements with the official unions back into the game or it is a lost case.
consider this. The original conditions originate from Niki where they were connected to Air Berlin. They were considered a very simplified spin off from what Air Berlin had as T&C’s and those originated at companies called LTU and DBA. The result from decades of collective bargaining.
Now Lauda, aka as the cheaper Ryanair, kills those already low T&C’s to a level that it makes the Pilot Profession to an ordinary low cost Flix bus driver.
Last edited by Racetothebottom; 12th Feb 2020 at 06:57. Reason: Typos
Join Date: Feb 2020
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Originally Posted by safelife
Condor are recruiting massively, being A320 type rated you're almost hired.
I keep you posted in case anything happens.
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Out of interest how do these conditions compare to wizz air?
ryanair and co. are brutal employers but as we saw last year they are not invulnerable to industrial action.
at the end of the day we have them by the balls, planes don’t fly if we don’t fly them. All it takes is a bit of solidarity.
We can only blame ourselves for these conditions, when they are accepted by people (not judging you have to pay the bills) and by colleges in sister airlines (how safe do you think your job is when someone is doing the same job cheaper) it becomes the market rate.
time for european unions to show some leadership for their members and work together
ryanair and co. are brutal employers but as we saw last year they are not invulnerable to industrial action.
at the end of the day we have them by the balls, planes don’t fly if we don’t fly them. All it takes is a bit of solidarity.
We can only blame ourselves for these conditions, when they are accepted by people (not judging you have to pay the bills) and by colleges in sister airlines (how safe do you think your job is when someone is doing the same job cheaper) it becomes the market rate.
time for european unions to show some leadership for their members and work together
Join Date: Nov 2019
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Originally Posted by Thepirate
Out of interest how do these conditions compare to wizz air?
ryanair and co. are brutal employers but as we saw last year they are not invulnerable to industrial action.
at the end of the day we have them by the balls, planes don’t fly if we don’t fly them. All it takes is a bit of solidarity.
We can only blame ourselves for these conditions, when they are accepted by people (not judging you have to pay the bills) and by colleges in sister airlines (how safe do you think your job is when someone is doing the same job cheaper) it becomes the market rate.
time for european unions to show some leadership for their members and work together
ryanair and co. are brutal employers but as we saw last year they are not invulnerable to industrial action.
at the end of the day we have them by the balls, planes don’t fly if we don’t fly them. All it takes is a bit of solidarity.
We can only blame ourselves for these conditions, when they are accepted by people (not judging you have to pay the bills) and by colleges in sister airlines (how safe do you think your job is when someone is doing the same job cheaper) it becomes the market rate.
time for european unions to show some leadership for their members and work together
If you are going to compare other bases or gross salaries we might have a different conclusion.
Too many variables, different taxation rules, social contributions, multipliers etc...
but this is the Lauda threat. Lauda makes Wizz look like a great (-er)company.
Last edited by Racetothebottom; 12th Feb 2020 at 18:59. Reason: Added info and typos
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Obviously only of use to those who want to be UK based but Jet2 are recruiting A320 crew and offer vastly superior terms than these crooks for half the work, £120-130 k for a Captain for 500 hrs a year (higher level includes the bonus that is applicable in the second year)
Join Date: Feb 2020
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Originally Posted by Whitemonk Returns
Obviously only of use to those who want to be UK based but Jet2 are recruiting A320 crew and offer vastly superior terms than these crooks for half the work, £120-130 k for a Captain for 500 hrs a year (higher level includes the bonus that is applicable in the second year)
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I've received a brochure informing a potential €128k total remuneration for a 8 months contract for captains. It doesn't seem to be bad. Is it an improvement in T/C or there is something I can't see?
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Originally Posted by Maxymus3
Applied 2 1/2 weeks ago via career.aero, meeting all their requirements but no reaction yet by condor.
I keep you posted in case anything happens.
I keep you posted in case anything happens.
Reason given is they won't be recruiting for them in the future, as LOT is going to do that from Warszaw.
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Originally Posted by safelife
Checked that one for you and got the info that interpersonal has put all recruitment for Condor on hold, except those already invited.
Reason given is they won't be recruiting for them in the future, as LOT is going to do that from Warszaw.
Reason given is they won't be recruiting for them in the future, as LOT is going to do that from Warszaw.
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Europe
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Originally Posted by randon
I've received a brochure informing a potential €128k total remuneration for a 8 months contract for captains. It doesn't seem to be bad. Is it an improvement in T/C or there is something I can't see?
this is exactly what they’re doing, they make brochures but it’s not what will be in your contract, I just experienced this.
Join Date: Jul 2010
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Interpersonal
Just be aware that Interpersonal does not look at your personal result in the one and only test they have. They just look at the avarage result of the last 1000 persons they tested (regardless if FO or CPT) and then they compare it with your result. If you are below the avarage you failed the test.
Join Date: Mar 2006
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Originally Posted by triple_2
this is exactly what they’re doing, they make brochures but it’s not what will be in your contract, I just experienced this.
Join Date: Nov 2017
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Originally Posted by cumulustratus
Is this outfit linked to the outfit that publicly claimed its captains earned 250k€ during a recent industrial dispute, when in reality few captains saw even half of that salary? Or am I thinking of a different low cost group?
And you’ll be surprised to hear how many people believed it!
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Originally Posted by safelife
Checked that one for you and got the info that interpersonal has put all recruitment for Condor on hold, except those already invited.
Reason given is they won't be recruiting for them in the future, as LOT is going to do that from Warszaw.
Reason given is they won't be recruiting for them in the future, as LOT is going to do that from Warszaw.
And i dont really know why.
