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Old 27th Oct 2019, 11:50
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Originally Posted by Newcomer2 View Post
Year 1 for a Captain: = 7051 euros gross
After the taxes in Austria, probably around 3800 net
That is indeed an utter disgrace. I've just started a job in the quality department (non-managerial) of an aviation service provider, working 37 hours a week Monday to Friday, every single weekend and public holiday off, 6 weeks of paid vacation and 10% pension contribution from the company. The initial offer was north of that quoted above, and that was just setting the basis for negotiations. The requirement to do my job? No formal skills, only experience. Taking command of a commercial jetliner in Europe for less than 10K a month is, frankly, devaluing yourself to the point airline management must be pissing themselves laughing. And yet, you do, more and more every day, all whilst bitching and moaning and doing sod all about it. But thus is the nature of an airline pilot; mainly driven by self-interest, short sighted and willing to step on a fellow pilot to get an advantage whilst complaining about the ever eroding terms and conditions.

Well, there's only one answer to that: Toughen up ladies, stop posting drivel on PPRuNe and start actually doing something. Like withdrawing your labour in a collective fashion, across borders, companies and legislations. Alternatively you could or just accept that the days driving an airborne bus was a gold paved avenue to a life of near-leisure are gone, never to return, and that it has been replaced with ever increasing work for ever decreasing renumeration.

Blame the old sods on the top of the seniority ladder, who've fettered their nest and paid nothing but lip service to those on the lower rungs, particularly the new entrants.
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Old 27th Oct 2019, 13:25
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Finished flight training in 2008 got employed with an operator who has since gone bust on the 737-800 I decided to sit out the recession.I managed to get a job with an investment bank purely on my pilots licence.




I am looking at getting back to flying but the salaries involved are shocking.We do road shows around europe targeting guys and girls who have finished uni preferably with a masters in finance related degree,staring salary is about 70K eur however there are no takers because all the top companies are doing the same roadshows offering higher salaries than we do.




We do loads of business in Africa hence we do charter quite a bit of Kingair 200s into remote areas of east and central africa.A king air Capt in east africa makes about 500 usd a day working about 20 days a month and the FO about 150 euros a day.




What is happening in Europe is crazy!!!!
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Old 28th Oct 2019, 07:55
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Still nobody here starting on 2ndDec?
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Old 28th Oct 2019, 23:43
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I feel sorry for everyone starting there. You are selling your souls to the devil. Maybe you feel that you have no choice, but that's rarely the case. Don't say you haven't been warned. You are joining a terrible company.
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Old 28th Oct 2019, 23:58
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My thoughts exactly. When i lost my job back in March i didn't even look at Euroland: moved with the family to Asia for top dollar, and id travel. Work is still hard, though...
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Old 29th Oct 2019, 10:13
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Originally Posted by booze View Post
My thoughts exactly. When i lost my job back in March i didn't even look at Euroland: moved with the family to Asia for top dollar, and id travel. Work is still hard, though...
Because you had a family ready and willing to move. That might not be the case for everybody. Reality is not black or white, top managers know this well and they play the "see how low we can go" game.
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Old 29th Oct 2019, 22:52
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Nobody should ever consider joining this slave-labour outfit. But some will, simply to try and repay their training loans, or parents. On their pay scales, this will not be possible. It makes one wonder what grade of commercial pilot would find the need to work for such small remuneration.

My only recourse personally is never to choose to fly with this outfit. That is a given for me. I will not explain, as their lawyers will pursue anyone who makes insinuations on issues unfavourable to this airline and those partnered with it. Go figure..
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Old 30th Oct 2019, 11:44
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RD1912!
f you read this thread. Ireceived you private message, but couldn't reply because your inbox exceeded the quota. I've sent you my private phone nr. to discuss on whatsupp. So you should delete some messages to receive my message.
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Old 30th Oct 2019, 12:28
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Does anyone know if Ryanair pilots are moving across to Lauda?
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Old 1st Nov 2019, 15:16
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Originally Posted by Mcflyer101 View Post
Does anyone know if Ryanair pilots are moving across to Lauda?
Adverts/Memo's were sent to pilots offering them the opportunity to jump across, subject to paying for an airbus rating, personally I have not heard of any that took the offer up.

The new chief pilot at Lauda is an ex-regional base captain at Ryanair, so at least one has gone across!
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Old 1st Nov 2019, 19:37
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Could be a good move for Boeing people to get an airbus type rating. Some may want to go down such a path. So many different factors can hold sway in such a decision. Wouldn't condemn or comment on a potential move for RyanAir crew.
My only comment would be that the pay appears to be somewhat underwhelming.
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Old 1st Nov 2019, 19:48
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Originally Posted by rotorwills View Post

My only comment would be that the pay appears to be somewhat underwhelming.
Understatement of the month.
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Old 2nd Nov 2019, 08:22
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Originally Posted by UAV689 View Post
Adverts/Memo's were sent to pilots offering them the opportunity to jump across, subject to paying for an airbus rating, personally I have not heard of any that took the offer up.

The new chief pilot at Lauda is an ex-regional base captain at Ryanair, so at least one has gone across!
A320 TR for RYR pilots is bonded 15k/3y, no upfront payment, no salary deductions.
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Old 2nd Nov 2019, 11:18
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Speaking about the payment, it depends also on how Austria is taxing the base salary and then block hours. Some counties have several layers of taxation. Let's wait for someone from Lauda, maybe the picture could be clearer
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Old 2nd Nov 2019, 11:40
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I have seen a Lauda (crewlink) contract for a Captain(!) position. The all in gross salary (before tax) was just under 73k a year. The roster pattern was 5 on, 3 off / 5 on 2 off.

I have a friend who is a Captain in Ryanair who makes more than double that amount (according to him, not seen his contract or pay slips) on a 5/4 roster.
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Old 2nd Nov 2019, 11:59
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Originally Posted by juris View Post
A320 TR for RYR pilots is bonded 15k/3y, no upfront payment, no salary deductions.
It translates toĒTake the baitĒ, because in ryanair nothing ever comes for free.
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Old 2nd Nov 2019, 12:12
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Vanhees!
If you read this thread. I received your private message, but couldn't reply because your inbox exceeded the quota. I've sent you my private phone nr. to discuss on whatsupp. So you should delete some messages to receive my message.
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Old 2nd Nov 2019, 18:52
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TR 11th Nov

Anyone here starting the TR on 11th of November?
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Old 2nd Nov 2019, 20:02
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Low cost of RYA. I think that says it all ....
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Old 3rd Nov 2019, 10:58
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Low cost Ryanair. Just how low can this industry go before pilots are working for food stamps. It is simply becoming ridiculous. Iím so glad Iím out of it and enjoyed the good days.
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