Laudamotion
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From: Up north
Joined: Nov 2015
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From: Anywhere and nowhere
Well, the unions in Ryanair could obviously call for a strike to prevent the company from transfering their flights to their other airlines. That has already been done elsewhere in Europe.
The problem is that the unions in Ryanair don't seem to be working together. Some strike in august, some in September,...you get my point: easy for the company to cover the strikes by sending people from other bases to cover them.
Now if all the unions in ryanair, from every country, were calling for a single common strike to stop the development of Laudamotion/Buzz/Malta air at the expense of the Ryanair employees who have better conditions, then maybe things would change a little.
The problem is that the unions in Ryanair don't seem to be working together. Some strike in august, some in September,...you get my point: easy for the company to cover the strikes by sending people from other bases to cover them.
Now if all the unions in ryanair, from every country, were calling for a single common strike to stop the development of Laudamotion/Buzz/Malta air at the expense of the Ryanair employees who have better conditions, then maybe things would change a little.
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From: Netherlands
Indeed, all (RYR) pilot unions should work together and organise a pan European strike, if needed lasting several days in a row. Only than you will get things moving.
look at what happens today: because almost every BA pilot is member of the SAME union, they can organize a big massive strik and almost the complete fleet is grounded. That will give big disruption for the passengers and will hit the management hard. They will have to listen!
E.C.
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From: UK, Paris, Peckham, New York
The salary is low!! Its the low cost arm of the low cost Ryanair!! The pmi base salary takes 8 years to earn what a ryr “mainline” capt earns....
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From: Germany
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From: Europe
Thanks for answering.. the attractive part is that they’re “offering” (bond) the Type rating and if you’re staying with them more than 3 year is.. let’s say “for free”!
But comparing to Ryan and other companies, the salary is very low.. 2500€/net for an experienced First Officer is really nothing.
But comparing to Ryan and other companies, the salary is very low.. 2500€/net for an experienced First Officer is really nothing.
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From: Europe
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From: Planet Earth
Terms & Conditions Overview
Roster:
5 early / 2 off / 5 late / 3 off. What is early and what is late is not defined, but expect "early" to be a start some time between 3am and noon and "late" a check-out between 9pm and 2am. The schedule is unstable. Typical rosters contain a lot of STBY duties. If you do not achieve 850 block hours, the company can take you out of this pattern and roster you on a flexible basis. Confirmed rosters are published on Fri for the next week and every duty is subject to change to another one of the same type (early/late) until you check in. At the moment, flight crews get 35 days vacation, which can (theoretically) be requested also on short notice on any duty day. The company prefers you to take vacation during the winter. If you reach 850hrs, you are expected to use up your annual leave thereafter.
Salary:
Entry level FO: 3.200EUR / CPT: 6.300EUR / month "guaranteed" gross (Includes 35 block hours).
If you fly more, you will receive additional scheduled block hour pay - up to 70hrs that is 18EUR/h for FOs and 31EUR/h for CPTs gross, thereafter the block hour rate increases. If you are not a training captain, expect about 60hrs/month.
Pilots, that come with experience on aircraft with a MTOW above 19.5T can join on a higher salary level. Each 1.000hrs on such aircraft types count as 1 year. The complete pay scale can be found in the original CLA under paragraph 7. The guaranteed monthly gross salary is listed under 7.5, the block hour pay under 7.2. Google "Kollektivvertrag Laudamotion" to find it.
Contract:
Training contract with training pay (Level 1 without block hour pay or daily allowances, if off-base) until the final line check, thereafter you get assigned to a base and receive the permanent contract. The training base is typically VIE.
Overall the morale in the company is low. Recently there have been quite a few terminations of senior / long-term staff.
5 early / 2 off / 5 late / 3 off. What is early and what is late is not defined, but expect "early" to be a start some time between 3am and noon and "late" a check-out between 9pm and 2am. The schedule is unstable. Typical rosters contain a lot of STBY duties. If you do not achieve 850 block hours, the company can take you out of this pattern and roster you on a flexible basis. Confirmed rosters are published on Fri for the next week and every duty is subject to change to another one of the same type (early/late) until you check in. At the moment, flight crews get 35 days vacation, which can (theoretically) be requested also on short notice on any duty day. The company prefers you to take vacation during the winter. If you reach 850hrs, you are expected to use up your annual leave thereafter.
Salary:
Entry level FO: 3.200EUR / CPT: 6.300EUR / month "guaranteed" gross (Includes 35 block hours).
If you fly more, you will receive additional scheduled block hour pay - up to 70hrs that is 18EUR/h for FOs and 31EUR/h for CPTs gross, thereafter the block hour rate increases. If you are not a training captain, expect about 60hrs/month.
Pilots, that come with experience on aircraft with a MTOW above 19.5T can join on a higher salary level. Each 1.000hrs on such aircraft types count as 1 year. The complete pay scale can be found in the original CLA under paragraph 7. The guaranteed monthly gross salary is listed under 7.5, the block hour pay under 7.2. Google "Kollektivvertrag Laudamotion" to find it.
Contract:
Training contract with training pay (Level 1 without block hour pay or daily allowances, if off-base) until the final line check, thereafter you get assigned to a base and receive the permanent contract. The training base is typically VIE.
Overall the morale in the company is low. Recently there have been quite a few terminations of senior / long-term staff.
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From: Up north
Roster:
5 early / 2 off / 5 late / 3 off. What is early and what is late is not defined, but expect "early" to be a start some time between 3am and noon and "late" a check-out between 9pm and 2am. The schedule is unstable. Typical rosters contain a lot of STBY duties. If you do not achieve 850 block hours, the company can take you out of this pattern and roster you on a flexible basis. Confirmed rosters are published on Fri for the next week and every duty is subject to change to another one of the same type (early/late) until you check in. At the moment, flight crews get 35 days vacation, which can (theoretically) be requested also on short notice on any duty day. The company prefers you to take vacation during the winter. If you reach 850hrs, you are expected to use up your annual leave thereafter.
Salary:
Entry level FO: 3.200EUR / CPT: 6.300EUR / month "guaranteed" gross (Includes 35 block hours).
If you fly more, you will receive additional scheduled block hour pay - up to 70hrs that is 18EUR/h for FOs and 31EUR/h for CPTs gross, thereafter the block hour rate increases. If you are not a training captain, expect about 60hrs/month.
Pilots, that come with experience on aircraft with a MTOW above 19.5T can join on a higher salary level. Each 1.000hrs on such aircraft types count as 1 year. The complete pay scale can be found in the original CLA under paragraph 7. The guaranteed monthly gross salary is listed under 7.5, the block hour pay under 7.2. Google "Kollektivvertrag Laudamotion" to find it.
Contract:
Training contract with training pay (Level 1 without block hour pay or daily allowances, if off-base) until the final line check, thereafter you get assigned to a base and receive the permanent contract. The training base is typically VIE.
Overall the morale in the company is low. Recently there have been quite a few terminations of senior / long-term staff.
5 early / 2 off / 5 late / 3 off. What is early and what is late is not defined, but expect "early" to be a start some time between 3am and noon and "late" a check-out between 9pm and 2am. The schedule is unstable. Typical rosters contain a lot of STBY duties. If you do not achieve 850 block hours, the company can take you out of this pattern and roster you on a flexible basis. Confirmed rosters are published on Fri for the next week and every duty is subject to change to another one of the same type (early/late) until you check in. At the moment, flight crews get 35 days vacation, which can (theoretically) be requested also on short notice on any duty day. The company prefers you to take vacation during the winter. If you reach 850hrs, you are expected to use up your annual leave thereafter.
Salary:
Entry level FO: 3.200EUR / CPT: 6.300EUR / month "guaranteed" gross (Includes 35 block hours).
If you fly more, you will receive additional scheduled block hour pay - up to 70hrs that is 18EUR/h for FOs and 31EUR/h for CPTs gross, thereafter the block hour rate increases. If you are not a training captain, expect about 60hrs/month.
Pilots, that come with experience on aircraft with a MTOW above 19.5T can join on a higher salary level. Each 1.000hrs on such aircraft types count as 1 year. The complete pay scale can be found in the original CLA under paragraph 7. The guaranteed monthly gross salary is listed under 7.5, the block hour pay under 7.2. Google "Kollektivvertrag Laudamotion" to find it.
Contract:
Training contract with training pay (Level 1 without block hour pay or daily allowances, if off-base) until the final line check, thereafter you get assigned to a base and receive the permanent contract. The training base is typically VIE.
Overall the morale in the company is low. Recently there have been quite a few terminations of senior / long-term staff.
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