Ryanair Cancelling flights!
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I'd love to see the minutes of their meetings.
In a legal dispute that may arise for a company, the court may well request such details. Companies are legally bound I think, to keep records of such meetings for 10 years?.
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From: Liverpool based Geordie, so calm down, calm down kidda!!
Skyline hit the nail perfectly. I often read minutes wondering if I had been to the same meeting!
What about the famous line:
"OK, this next one isn't for the minutes "
What about the famous line:
"OK, this next one isn't for the minutes "
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From: Europe
Wouldn't surprise me if they always knew they'd never be able to crew these flights. Just didn't want competitors getting the business. Would prefer to lose cash on compensation payouts as opposed to allow competitiors to grow their market share.
I'd love to see the minutes of their meetings.
I'd love to see the minutes of their meetings.
Every so often the practice gets pushed a step too far and you get a situation like this.
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From: the forest from which little acorns do big oak trees grow.
skyflyer737 your optimism is admirable. I have no knowledge of the comings and goings in DUB so will believe nothing either way until I hear directly from official sources.
However - the company declared 40-50 flights cancelled daily. But in reality that is starting to look like Ryanairspeak for 40-50 RETURN flights. ie 80-100 sectors which makes up 5% of 1600 daily sectors. that's 600,000 to 800,000 affected passengers over 6 weeks. If that's not the wheels coming off what is?
Also annual leave was pro-rated for April to December. Why is that all of a sudden a problem?
There's much more to this.
However - the company declared 40-50 flights cancelled daily. But in reality that is starting to look like Ryanairspeak for 40-50 RETURN flights. ie 80-100 sectors which makes up 5% of 1600 daily sectors. that's 600,000 to 800,000 affected passengers over 6 weeks. If that's not the wheels coming off what is?
Also annual leave was pro-rated for April to December. Why is that all of a sudden a problem?
There's much more to this.
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From: Uk
If you didn't have a shortage of crew you wouldn't have to cancel flights. The latest admission " we messed up holidays " is just another excuse, far easier to say that than admit they don't have enough pilots.
They don't have enough crew to cover holidays and therefore they are short crewed and if they admit, which the wont, then they will have to change the T/C's .. signing bonus, DE positions are all smoke screens to try and dig there way out before they are found out and have to face the truth and actually do something totally against there recruitment policies ie treat pilots properly
They don't have enough crew to cover holidays and therefore they are short crewed and if they admit, which the wont, then they will have to change the T/C's .. signing bonus, DE positions are all smoke screens to try and dig there way out before they are found out and have to face the truth and actually do something totally against there recruitment policies ie treat pilots properly
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From: UK, Paris, Peckham, New York
Will be interesting to see what happens with the deliveries....I hope Boeing force them to re-start the deliveries, I am sure Boeing won't be doing any favours especially with the way Ryan have bargained with them.
I think they are being optimistic think the winter schedule will save them, and the ticker being reset in January, as the rolling 1000 yr year will cause them problems.
Not to mention they need to open the holiday year still for next year which they are yet to do....
Fingers crossed for the end of mol.
I think they are being optimistic think the winter schedule will save them, and the ticker being reset in January, as the rolling 1000 yr year will cause them problems.
Not to mention they need to open the holiday year still for next year which they are yet to do....
Fingers crossed for the end of mol.
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From: Asia
Prove it then ?
It is not what I read on other forums (french for exemple) from wyanair pilots.
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Their whole business model would need to be change.... remember they are accountable to the board and the share holders. Any indications that business models would need adjustment is going to put shareholders and the share price into frenzy.. If you appreciate that the people that hold shares are doing so to make money and invested with that in mind. If they feel things are going to change and profits are going to affected as well then I can easily see the share price heading south very quickly.
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From: Asia
it's just a business for cash.
They will not improve anything, they will just focus on another business area.
Pilots think too much with their heart, and passion. It is a long time ago that aviation is dead.
aviation is just a business like any others to make some cash flow. Once the business is dead, they will find another one....and so on.
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That would mean PAX getting decent service and respect? MOL can't afford that.
You really need to slowdown on the koolaid 
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From: Cloud Cookoo Land
The whole 'answering to shareholders' scenario is a bit void in my opinion. The major shareholders are fully aware of the company's employment relations model (or lack of one). They are more than aware that FR has one of the lowest cost bases when it comes to 'employee' overheads. The fact that FR finds itself regularly in hot water regarding its employment practices, whether directly or indirectly, doesn't seem to phase them. It's been like this for years.
Ryanair's PR machine will fight to the bitter end to deflect this away from being 'a crewing problem.' They are already publicising it 'as an issue with pilot's annual leave.' So what do Mr & Mrs Joe Public get to think? "Those pesky pilots are ruining my holiday for the sake of theirs.'
MOL will walk away from this. The top people working in HR & Flt Ops will still be employeed as 'Z team' stalwarts. One thing that won't happen is seeing any notable shift in the favour of FR pilots. Facing the true problem head on admitts defeat and that's one thing O'Leary won't do. Besides being a bit pissed, I can't see the major shareholders holding his feet to the fire on this one. He'll throw a few scapegoats to the wolves and say that they'll have the problem sorted in 6 weeks. Easier to blame EASA FTLs as no one understands those!
Ryanair's PR machine will fight to the bitter end to deflect this away from being 'a crewing problem.' They are already publicising it 'as an issue with pilot's annual leave.' So what do Mr & Mrs Joe Public get to think? "Those pesky pilots are ruining my holiday for the sake of theirs.'
MOL will walk away from this. The top people working in HR & Flt Ops will still be employeed as 'Z team' stalwarts. One thing that won't happen is seeing any notable shift in the favour of FR pilots. Facing the true problem head on admitts defeat and that's one thing O'Leary won't do. Besides being a bit pissed, I can't see the major shareholders holding his feet to the fire on this one. He'll throw a few scapegoats to the wolves and say that they'll have the problem sorted in 6 weeks. Easier to blame EASA FTLs as no one understands those!
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I feel like competitors are really missing a trick here. They could offer customers a Ģ20-30 discount on flights over the next six weeks on production of a valid Ryanair ticket on the same route/date. They'd get plenty of worried Ryanair passengers booking flights, which takes ancillary revenue away from Ryanair and boosts their own load factors, whilst showing the goodwill that Ryanair clearly don't.
