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Ryanair Cancelling flights!

Old 17th Sep 2017, 09:42
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I'd love to see the minutes of their meetings.

In a legal dispute that may arise for a company, the court may well request such details. Companies are legally bound I think, to keep records of such meetings for 10 years?.
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Old 17th Sep 2017, 09:58
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Skyline hit the nail perfectly. I often read minutes wondering if I had been to the same meeting!
What about the famous line:

"OK, this next one isn't for the minutes "
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Old 17th Sep 2017, 10:05
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Originally Posted by Talewind View Post
Wouldn't surprise me if they always knew they'd never be able to crew these flights. Just didn't want competitors getting the business. Would prefer to lose cash on compensation payouts as opposed to allow competitiors to grow their market share.

I'd love to see the minutes of their meetings.
I would presume that Ryanair are the type of management style that just dump a rediculous expectation on their subordinates desk, then sit back and take the credit when their staff perform a miracle for them.
Every so often the practice gets pushed a step too far and you get a situation like this.
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Old 17th Sep 2017, 12:56
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skyflyer737 your optimism is admirable. I have no knowledge of the comings and goings in DUB so will believe nothing either way until I hear directly from official sources.

However - the company declared 40-50 flights cancelled daily. But in reality that is starting to look like Ryanairspeak for 40-50 RETURN flights. ie 80-100 sectors which makes up 5% of 1600 daily sectors. that's 600,000 to 800,000 affected passengers over 6 weeks. If that's not the wheels coming off what is?

Also annual leave was pro-rated for April to December. Why is that all of a sudden a problem?

There's much more to this.
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Old 17th Sep 2017, 13:20
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By my calculation it was pro rated and rounded down so surely they should be laughing
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Old 17th Sep 2017, 14:01
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If you didn't have a shortage of crew you wouldn't have to cancel flights. The latest admission " we messed up holidays " is just another excuse, far easier to say that than admit they don't have enough pilots.

They don't have enough crew to cover holidays and therefore they are short crewed and if they admit, which the wont, then they will have to change the T/C's .. signing bonus, DE positions are all smoke screens to try and dig there way out before they are found out and have to face the truth and actually do something totally against there recruitment policies ie treat pilots properly
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Old 17th Sep 2017, 14:20
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Spot on 'littco' nailed it 100%.
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Old 17th Sep 2017, 14:24
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Will be interesting to see what happens with the deliveries....I hope Boeing force them to re-start the deliveries, I am sure Boeing won't be doing any favours especially with the way Ryan have bargained with them.

I think they are being optimistic think the winter schedule will save them, and the ticker being reset in January, as the rolling 1000 yr year will cause them problems.

Not to mention they need to open the holiday year still for next year which they are yet to do....

Fingers crossed for the end of mol.
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Old 17th Sep 2017, 14:46
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Originally Posted by skyflyer737 View Post
Just to clear up the rumours - no one has resigned or walked out, such as crew controllers or the Chief Pilot.

Cock up over annual leave / flight cancellations? Yes.

Wheels falling off wagon / armageddon? No.
lol, we have a wyanair manager or stockholms syndrome here.
Prove it then ?
It is not what I read on other forums (french for exemple) from wyanair pilots.
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Old 17th Sep 2017, 15:08
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Their whole business model would need to be change.... remember they are accountable to the board and the share holders. Any indications that business models would need adjustment is going to put shareholders and the share price into frenzy.. If you appreciate that the people that hold shares are doing so to make money and invested with that in mind. If they feel things are going to change and profits are going to affected as well then I can easily see the share price heading south very quickly.
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Old 17th Sep 2017, 15:12
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Haha...well done MOL....

Round to the Ratners' for Christmas this year is it....
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Old 17th Sep 2017, 15:29
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Presumably wet leasing/subbing out is not an option?
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Old 17th Sep 2017, 15:39
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Originally Posted by MaverickPrime View Post
Or perhaps Ryanair's ideological hatred of pilots meant they would rather cut their nose of to spite their face and pay compensation rather than improve T&Cs.
that's the point.
it's just a business for cash.
They will not improve anything, they will just focus on another business area.
Pilots think too much with their heart, and passion. It is a long time ago that aviation is dead.
aviation is just a business like any others to make some cash flow. Once the business is dead, they will find another one....and so on.
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Old 17th Sep 2017, 15:48
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Originally Posted by Binder View Post
Presumably wet leasing/subbing out is not an option?
That would mean PAX getting decent service and respect? MOL can't afford that.

Originally Posted by skyflyer737 View Post
Just to clear up the rumours - no one has resigned or walked out, such as crew controllers or the Chief Pilot.

Cock up over annual leave / flight cancellations? Yes.

Wheels falling off wagon / armageddon? No.
You really need to slowdown on the koolaid
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Old 17th Sep 2017, 16:02
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The whole 'answering to shareholders' scenario is a bit void in my opinion. The major shareholders are fully aware of the company's employment relations model (or lack of one). They are more than aware that FR has one of the lowest cost bases when it comes to 'employee' overheads. The fact that FR finds itself regularly in hot water regarding its employment practices, whether directly or indirectly, doesn't seem to phase them. It's been like this for years.

Ryanair's PR machine will fight to the bitter end to deflect this away from being 'a crewing problem.' They are already publicising it 'as an issue with pilot's annual leave.' So what do Mr & Mrs Joe Public get to think? "Those pesky pilots are ruining my holiday for the sake of theirs.'

MOL will walk away from this. The top people working in HR & Flt Ops will still be employeed as 'Z team' stalwarts. One thing that won't happen is seeing any notable shift in the favour of FR pilots. Facing the true problem head on admitts defeat and that's one thing O'Leary won't do. Besides being a bit pissed, I can't see the major shareholders holding his feet to the fire on this one. He'll throw a few scapegoats to the wolves and say that they'll have the problem sorted in 6 weeks. Easier to blame EASA FTLs as no one understands those!
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Old 17th Sep 2017, 16:10
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According to the own uploaded pdf files on their website, it does look like 50-60 sectors (25-30 flight pairs ) each day, at least until wednesday.
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Old 17th Sep 2017, 16:48
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Ryanair are allocating leave, nice to see the crews have a choice when they take it.....
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Old 17th Sep 2017, 17:58
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Ryanair will have to pay compensation, says regulator

http://www.rte.ie/amp/905380/
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Old 17th Sep 2017, 18:13
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I feel like competitors are really missing a trick here. They could offer customers a 20-30 discount on flights over the next six weeks on production of a valid Ryanair ticket on the same route/date. They'd get plenty of worried Ryanair passengers booking flights, which takes ancillary revenue away from Ryanair and boosts their own load factors, whilst showing the goodwill that Ryanair clearly don't.
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Old 17th Sep 2017, 18:16
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I've applied to them through CAE, and didnt even bother to call me for an Interview, even if I met all their requirments, so Im not surprised...
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